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Cleveland Browns (2007 & prior)

No way in hell.

Mel Kiper has the Browns taking Kamerion Wimbley over Haloti Ngata...

He also doesnt have Carpenter in the first round, and has Greenway going 11th overall.

It makes me feel sick how he can get paid money to have no clue what hes talking about.
 
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No way in hell.

Mel Kiper has the Browns taking Kamerion Wimbley over Haloti Ngata...

He also doesnt have Carpenter in the first round, and has Greenway going 11th overall.

It makes me feel sick how he can get paid money to have no clue what hes talking about.

I saw that to and was shocked. Greenway must have given him a hell of a blow job to move up to 11.

If the Browns draft Wimbley over Ngata I will lose respect for Savage. Bunkley over Ngata I could live with.
 
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Anybody that looks at Kiper as a draft "expert" has no idea what's going on. The ONE thing I can think of him being absolutely right on was calling out Indy for drafting Trev Alberts 13 years ago...that's 13 years.
 
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CPD

4/2/06

NFL INSIDER
Rivals remain sold on Frye as starter


Sunday, April 02, 2006

Tony Grossi
Plain Dealer Reporter

Orlando, Fla.- Browns coach Romeo Crennel is not fooling his division rivals by not naming his starting quarterback. They expect it to be Charlie Frye.

Frye's name came up first, in fact, when two opposing coaches commented about the improvement they expect from the Browns next season.

"They've got a good young quarterback in Charlie Frye," said Pittsburgh's Bill Cowher.

"I think the Browns will be a better football team. They've settled in on a quarterback, have an identity," Cincinnati's Marvin Lewis said referring to Frye.

Cowher, Lewis and Baltimore's Brian Billick cited other reasons for expecting the Browns to improve on their six wins from last year.

Cowher said the attention the Browns paid in free agency to their front seven on defense and on the offensive line is a key factor.

"I think in our division, you better be able to play up front," he said.

Cowher believes veterans Ted Washington, who will be 38, and Willie McGinest, 34, will pay dividends with the intangibles they bring.

"The leadership and the high level they've played at will be contagious," Cowher said. "I think that's the thing they're doing - taking a young team and surrounding it with some veterans who have been winners and know what it takes."

Lewis said a second season in Crennel's system will account for natural growth.

"They've settled on guys who know their philosophy, and they've added some guys with even more insight with Romeo and what they're trying to do defensively," he said. "I think [a second season for a head coach] makes a big difference. Players are better focused and centered on what they're doing. There's not as much anxiety and you're able to just concentrate on playing football."

Billick said: "I think Cleveland helped themselves as much or more in free agency as any team in the league. And they get [Braylon] Edwards and [Kellen] Winslow back. So, it's going to be a hell of a division."

The Dilfer issue:

There's no question that some of the hesitation in formally promoting Frye has to do with sensitivity toward Trent Dilfer, who sat out the last five games last year with knee ailments.

General Manager Phil Savage said the feelings of a 12-year veteran like Dilfer should be considered before making any pronouncements about the position.

"Trent is entirely competitive," Savage said. "I think when we made the trade for him, his visions of himself were that he'd come in as the starter, kind of keep the seat warm until we got another guy, and I think his hopes were that it would be a couple of years.

"Ultimately it turned out being 11 games, as it stands right now. I think he'll fight Charlie for the spot. I don't think he's going to give up on it."

The Carthon non-issue:

Although the Browns finished dead last in the NFL in points scored last season, the job security of offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon was never an issue, Crennel said.

"Being 32nd on offense doesn't speak volumes for the way that we want to be, but I thought Maurice worked very hard, he knows the offense, and I think the second year will be better on offense particularly as we get some of the playmakers on the field," Crennel said. "I expect it to improve. We did have a 1,000-yard rusher and a 1,000-yard receiver. We just didn't score enough points."

Crennel is unconcerned if players are not enamored with Carthon.

"I mean, hey, you're not going to please everybody. It's not all hunky-dory," Crennel said. "There are some guys that don't like me. I don't understand that, but there are some who don't like me. Maurice is one of those hard-nosed, old-school coaches and some guys have to get used to it."

Crennel said that Carthon, a fullback who played for two Super Bowl winners with the Giants under Bill Parcells, is aware of the public criticism he received last year, but it doesn't faze him.

"I think Maurice is one of those tough guys, and he had to be to play the position he played, to play under some of the coaches he played for. But he's human just like everyone else. He doesn't like to be criticized. He wants to do well. And I think he's going to work hard to improve that offense."

Brownie bits:

The annual Browns scrimmage with the Buffalo Bills, which was scrapped last year by Crennel, will not resume. Crennel said he would be open to listening to offers, but so far has no plans to scrimmage another team in training camp. . . . The league will prohibit coaches from closing any portion of practice at mandatory minicamps to the media. Crennel was among those who allowed the media to see only 30 minutes of practice last year. He laughed off suggestions that the quarterback issue will provide stories every day.

Back to the future:

Traditionalists will get their wish this year. Browns owner Randy Lerner is bringing back the team's old duds for next season, including gray face masks, original striping on jersey sleeves and the old, darker shade of brown. The team will wear only white pants and alternate between brown and white jerseys - never orange. "This is not about branding. This is about the Cleveland Browns," Lerner said.

The place ex-Browns linemen go:

Denver coach Mike Shanahan added to his collection of former Browns defensive linemen when he signed Kenard Lang and Amon Gordon recently. They join Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Ebenezer Ekuban and Mike Myers, whom Denver acquired last year. "How many are left?" Shanahan joked at league meetings this week.

Lang will put on the 30 pounds he lost last season to play linebacker and return as a pass-rushing end for the Broncos.

Shanahan compared Gordon, a fifth-round Butch Davis pick in 2004, to Warren.

"He's 330, 335 pounds. Those guys are pretty hard to find. To get a guy like that in the draft. You've got to go pretty high," Shanahan said.

Meetings leftovers:

Owners tweaked the roster cutdown rules. Teams must get down to 75 players - not 65 - by the Tuesday after the third preseason game. The old number accounted for roster exemptions for players who played in NFL Europe. Final cutdown to 53 was moved up one day from Sunday to Saturday of the fourth preseason weekend. . . . The league raised the number of draft-eligible players that teams may bring in for visits from 20 to 30. . . . Owners agreed to keep practice squads to a maximum of eight players.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

[email protected], 216-999-4670
 
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http://nfldraft.scout.com/2/515902.html

USC Pro Day update.

Bush and Winston Justice are very impressive thus far.

EDIT: The article is premium, but people on the USC site claim they were there and heres what they posted:

Bush runs 4.33 and 4.37, 40.5" vert, 24 reps on bench.

Winston Justice has 39" vert with 38 reps on the bench.


LenDale White only did 15 reps and wont run a 40.(How to cost yourself money 101, what an idiot)

EDIT: He also weighed in at 244 lbs!
 
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Canton

4/3/06

Do browns believe in frye?

Monday, April 3, 2006



<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>[FONT=Verdana, Times New Roman, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]BROWNS BEAT STEVE DOERSCHUK[/FONT]


You can spend a franchise’s history never getting lucky with a quarterback in the draft. Or you can luck into a Ben Roethlisberger.

Since re-inventing themselves as the Baltimore Ravens, the former Cleveland Browns have gone through 10 drafts, picking seven quarterbacks.

Those passers have combined for 6,729 air yards, with 38 touchdowns, 37 interceptions and a 69.9 rating. None was involved in Baltimore’s Super Bowl season.

The Steelers pounced on Roethlisberger when assorted teams left him for the scarfing at No. 11 overall in 2004.

In two years, Roethlisberger has passed for 5,006 yards, with 34 touchdowns, 20 interceptions and a 98.3 rating. The Steelers are 31-7 (5-1 in the postseason) since that pick.

Phil Savage, who had a front-row seat in Baltimore’s drafts from 1996-2004, has made his view of drafting quarterbacks quite clear. That is, it’s a murky business.

“Anytime you’re up at the top of the draft, you’re in shark-infested waters because there’s certainly no guarantee,” the Browns general manager has said. “With the money available to those high picks, you want to be convinced this is the right person, regardless of position.

“It seems for every hit at quarterback, there’s a big-time miss. It’s something you have to be really careful with.

“You also have to do it with a lot of confidence from an organizational standpoint and give that player enough support so that if he does struggle, he’s not going to fall totally off the radar.”

The Browns aren’t at the top of the draft, but they’re pretty high, at No. 12.

Everyone assumes Matt Leinart won’t drop that far.

It’s unlikely Vince Young will, although his status is less certain.

Vanderbilt’s Jay Cutler shapes up as this year’s parallel to Roethlisberger.

In 2004, the Browns liked Roethlisberger but had a veteran starter (Jeff Garcia) and designs on a young quarterback (they picked Luke McCown in Round 4).

In 2006, everybody likes Cutler, but the Browns have a veteran (Trent Dilfer) and a young quarterback (Charlie Frye), the new regime much preferred to McCown.

The 2004 Browns let Roethlisberger slip to the Steelers, rudely warping the AFC North landscape.

If the 2006 Browns get a crack at Cutler but pass, Baltimore is waiting at No. 12.

The parallel could shoot way off line, though.

We know now Roethlisberger can swim with the sharks. No one knows if Jay Cutler can.

If you want an example of how quickly the NFL can turn into “Jaws” for a young QB, see 2005 No. 1 pick Alex Smith’s rookie year.

An obvious problem with drafting Young or Cutler would be rocking Charlie Frye’s world.

Frye has understated yet immense confidence. He thinks — and is good at persuading people he’s right — he can be one of the league’s best. He does that without any of the smugness emanating from some of the name-brand QBs.

That he’s so in tune with the region will be a huge bonus, if he can play.

Frye is thrilled by the present landscape. The team needs a young QB to settle into the critical position, and he is the only legitimate option. Bringing in Cutler would tell Frye the chiefs doubt seriously that he is the right option.

Fans, in turn, would fry Cutler if he didn’t shape up quickly. He’d be the kid who bumped Charlie for no good reason.

The possible ramifications are complicated.

The course of action is not.

Savage and Romeo Crennel have analyzed Frye thoroughly enough to turn an orange helmet blue. They must trust their projection, which, of course, they won’t share with us.

If they think Frye can be close to as effective as Cutler over the long haul, they should hoist the “Up With Chuck” banner and spend the No. 12 pick on any other position.

If their studies indicate Cutler projects as clearly better than Frye, they shouldn’t leave Cutler there for the vultures. Or the Ravens. Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail: [email protected]


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Back to the future:

Traditionalists will get their wish this year. Browns owner Randy Lerner is bringing back the team's old duds for next season, including gray face masks, original striping on jersey sleeves and the old, darker shade of brown. The team will wear only white pants and alternate between brown and white jerseys - never orange. "This is not about branding. This is about the Cleveland Browns," Lerner said.

Amen. I'm happy with the all the moves the Browns have made this offseason, but this is BY FAR the best one.

The place ex-Browns linemen go:

Denver coach Mike Shanahan added to his collection of former Browns defensive linemen when he signed Kenard Lang and Amon Gordon recently. They join Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Ebenezer Ekuban and Mike Myers, whom Denver acquired last year. "How many are left?" Shanahan joked at league meetings this week.

Sounds like the Broncos are putting together a formidable D-Line :lol:
 
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TALKIN' BROWNS

Savage impressed with Frye's work

• General Manager Phil Savage has been thrilled with the work ethic of Charlie Frye. The quarterback has been at the training complex, ``virtually every day,'' Savage said. ``If effort has anything to do with it, Charlie will make it. That's part of the reason we drafted him, we knew that he'd put in the work.''

• Savage said he's been pleased with how Frye and tight end Kellen Winslow have been bonding. They are regulars at Cavs games, and have been working out together in Berea. The Browns say Winslow has been ``humbled'' by his injuries, motorcycle accident and two years in which he has played only two games. As one executive said: ``He found out that the world goes on without him, and that's a good thing. Charlie has been a very positive influence on him.''

• Yes, Winslow had what the Browns describe has ``extremely minor'' arthroscopic surgery on his knee in January. The procedure was to clean out some scar tissue from his major knee surgery of last year. It was a ``scope'' procedure, and it showed the knee is healing well. Savage said he expects Winslow on the field by June, if not earlier.

• There's a good chance the 2006 Browns will have only two offensive starters from the Butch Davis Era: receiver Dennis Northcutt and right tackle Ryan Tucker. And if Braylon Edwards gets healthy (not expected back until September) or free-agent signee Joe Jurevicius starts, then it will only be Tucker.

• If the Browns have a decent draft, there could be as many as 40 out of 53 players who are new this season compared with the end of 2004. On defense, the only returning Davis Era starters might be Orpheus Roye, Andra Davis and Daylon McCutcheon. Chaun Thompson and Alvin McKinley came off the bench in 2004.

• Don't read much into Romeo Crennel refusing to name a starting quarterback. The coach is doing it out of respect for veteran Trent Dilfer, and to let Frye know nothing is handed to anyone. Crennel believes in making any young player earn a job. But common sense is Frye will start the opener, barring a collapse in training camp.

• The Browns still think they can deal center Jeff Faine, but perception among several teams is Faine is a light, 285-pound center. The Browns say he's closer to 300 pounds. There supposedly are two to three teams with a sincere interest, but they are in no hurry to make a deal. They might wait until the draft, when Faine could be part of a bigger trade.

• True, Faine was once a No. 1 pick, but it's doubtful now he'd bring anything higher than a fourth-rounder in a trade. That's the same thing the Browns received for safety Chris Crocker.

• Want to know why the Browns have had trouble on their offensive line? Consider the critical left tackle spot, which protects the quarterback. Since the return in 1999, the following have started: Lomas Brown, Roman Oben, Ross Verba, Barry Stokes and L.J. Shelton. The newest is Kevin Shaffer. He's the sixth in eight years.
 
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