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Cincinnati Bengals (Same Ole Bengals)

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BigWoof31 said:
Maybe it's because I'm a Cincinnati transplant and haven't really spent my life "living and breathing" the Bengals front office quirks - but I can't believe they are going to open Mandatory Minicamp with the best defensive end in football holding out publicly and their #1 overall draft pick refusing to participate because of contract language.
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There are two aspects to this situation that imo are not getting enough attention.

Shemar already has money from his college NIL deal. He is not financially at a disadvantage here. Because of the ever changing landscape of college football, the NFL (and therefore the Bengals) are no longer drafting money hungry players eager to make their first million. These players are already millionaires, especially those taken in the early rounds, before they ever sign an NFL contract.

Therefore, it is not going to hurt Shemar financially to hold out.

Secondly, if Stewart signs a contract with this new language and recieves no compensation, he's condemning all future players to the same conditions. Once a prominent player signs a contract like the Bengals are offering him, every other team will demand the same of their draftees.

Player: "If you want me to sign this contract giving you the right to void part of my salary, I want some sort of compensation. "

Team: "Shemar Stewart signed one without compensation last year, you can too. Sign here..."

See what I mean?

So Stewart is undoubtedly getting pressure from other players and their agents to hold firm. If he gives in, he's basically setting the precedent for all future contracts with this sort of language in them.

This isn't going to get settled any time soon I fear...
 
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BuckyKatt said:
There are two aspects to this situation that imo are not getting enough attention.

Shemar already has money from his college NIL deal. He is not financially at a disadvantage here. Because of the ever changing landscape of college football, the NFL (and therefore the Bengals) are no longer drafting money hungry players eager to make their first million. These players are already millionaires, especially those taken in the early rounds, before they ever sign an NFL contract.

Therefore, it is not going to hurt Shemar financially to hold out.

Secondly, if Stewart signs a contract with this new language and recieves no compensation, he's condemning all future players to the same conditions. Once a prominent player signs a contract like the Bengals are offering him, every other team will demand the same of their draftees.

Player: "If you want me to sign this contract giving you the right to void part of my salary, I want some sort of compensation. "

Team: "Shemar Stewart signed one without compensation last year, you can too. Sign here..."

See what I mean?

So Stewart is undoubtedly getting pressure from other players and their agents to hold firm. If he gives in, he's basically setting the precedent for all future contracts with this sort of language in them.

This isn't going to get settled any time soon I fear...
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Just sayin': The Bengals are saying that almost every other NFL team has this language in their contracts:

www.cbssports.com

Bengals seem fed up with Shemar Stewart negotiation: Predicting when drama might end with first-rounder

Cincinnati doesn't seem like it's going to budge on its stance
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Bengals are trying to copy the rest of the NFL​

On the surface, the Bengals' stance makes sense, but it's all about precedent. The Bengals haven't asked their last three first-round picks to put the language in their deal, so Stewart doesn't understand why he has to be the guinea pig.

The Bengals' argument is that almost every NFL team has this language in their rookie deals, so Cincinnati's front office is trying to "evolve" to join the rest of the league, according to director of player personnel Duke Tobin, who has been with the organization since 1999.

"It really doesn't make any sense to say that Cincinnati doesn't get to evolve their contracts, yet the rest of the league gets to evolve their contracts," Tobin said. "I don't buy into that philosophy at all. Contracts evolve. I've been in it for 30 years and they've evolved every year for 30 years. They've evolved in good ways for players: Signing bonuses go up, that's an evolution. Guarantees get extended further down the draft, that's an evolution. You can't just say you want the positive evolutions, yet the teams can't evolve their language to be clearer on the meaning that is actually agreed to, which is why other teams have done it."
 
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BuckyKatt said:
Its not that other teams don't have this language, it's that other teams compensated their players for it.

The Bengals are asking Stewart to sign a contract with this language uncompensated.
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Someone said this is the 6th year in a row the Bengals have entered Camp with some type of Contract disagreement/holdout/hold-in/drama

IDK how you guys do this. Your scar tissue to Bengals issues has calcified into iron at this point.
 
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Shemar is signed. Why didn't they just compensate him sooner...?



Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
To get Shemar Stewart on the field, both sides compromised.
— Stewart agreed to Cincy’s new language.
— The #Bengals moved $500K of Stewart’s signing bonus up and paid up front, rather than pay it December.

I'm sorry, that's not a compromise. That what Stewart wanted all along. He and his agent never had a problem with including the language, they simply wanted to be compensated for it like every other player previously.

Bengals caved, pure and simple.
 
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