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Chris Holtmann (ex-tOSU Bball coach, HC at DePaul)

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It's sad because he gets some good star players, and then just can't manage build a team that wins the B1G or is a true national contender.
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This is what, five years in a row of the same routine? At this point you fit into one of two boxes - not being a major bball fan and thinking, "eh, it's good enough", or you've seen enough and it's time to move on.

Thad showed what this program is capable of, and it's certainly more than this. Sensabaugh and his development is the only reason for me to keep following them this year, but he has likely played himself into the 1st round and will be a one and done. This team is capable of so much more - I don't pretend to know who the next coach should be, but we just need an identity, any kind of one. The mood around this program is apathetic and that should never be the case for any program at Ohio State.
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So true. I don't see CH apologists setting any sort of bar whatsoever - some seem to have no expectations of the program winning or achieving anything significant, and meeting the program's historical average of winning 60% of games seems to be satisfy some. We deserve more than average.
 
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Holtmann is Maverick... last 30 sec in Purdue was Ice-Man's jet wash.. And Holtmann is screaming "I'm losing control. Goose, I can't control it" while in a flat spin... He has to pull us out of the spin
 
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bigdog3300 said:
This is what, five years in a row of the same routine? At this point you fit into one of two boxes - not being a major bball fan and thinking, "eh, it's good enough", or you've seen enough and it's time to move on.

Thad showed what this program is capable of, and it's certainly more than this. Sensabaugh and his development is the only reason for me to keep following them this year, but he has likely played himself into the 1st round and will be a one and done. This team is capable of so much more - I don't pretend to know who the next coach should be, but we just need an identity, any kind of one. The mood around this program is apathetic and that should never be the case for any program at Ohio State.
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I could not have said it any better. I have been the biggest defender of CH, and Thad before him. I wouldn't call it blind loyalty, both recruited well and achieved good results in spurts. I thought CH was a great fit.

I didn't expect a whole lot this year, but after seeing how good Sensabaugh and Thornton are (and now Okpara), this team is underachieving to the point where I don't think anyone can defend CH anymore. Fire him and hopefully we can recover on the recruiting side. Sorry man, I wanted this to work but it just isn't.
 
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I've not been on the Fire Holtmann train, but he's got a top 10 recruiting class and a handful of upperclassmen. To be 13th in the B1G is not acceptable.

This season needs a major turnaround in a hurry. If it continues as it's going we are headed for a sub-.500 season - too much talent for that to happen.
 
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I've been a staunch Holtmann supporter since he was hired. But I'm about done. At want point do we have "The Talk?'

This is year 6 and he's yet to have won anything of importance. Hasn't made it past the round of 32 and has a team that is just horribly underachieving right now. We just lost to friggin' Corn. How much rope does running a clean program and squeaking into the tournament (far from a guarantee in 2023 at this point) buy you?

I thought he was a terrific hire and expected him to do great things here, but he just isn't.
 
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Love the talent he has coming in next year but not sure I want him coaching them at this point.

There is nothing dynamic about him. He’s just a guy. A great guy, but he’s shown nothing special. Extremely disappointing as I loved him at Butler and it seemed like something was there.

I am now positive Ohio State could get just about anyone else to surpass what Holtmann has accomplished (or not accomplished) in Columbus.

I think the OSU brand can still bring in talent with the NIL no matter what. So it’s time to start talking about an actual coach that can manage and improve that talent on court.

Sad to say but this is below standard.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
Love the talent he has coming in next year but not sure I want him coaching them at this point.

There is nothing dynamic about him. He’s just a guy. A great guy, but he’s shown nothing special. Extremely disappointing as I loved him at Butler and it seemed like something was there.

I am now positive Ohio State could get just about anyone else to surpass what Holtmann has accomplished (or not accomplished) in Columbus.

I think the OSU brand can still bring in talent with the NIL no matter what. So it’s time to start talking about an actual coach that can manage and improve that talent on court.

Sad to say but this is below standard.
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Yeah, man. Go back and read my posts after he was hired; I was pumped. But we're in year six and the program is languishing. Add in that he hasn't really accomplished anything of any significance, and, well, it's not a good situation. Not sure Gene feels the same way, though.
 
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CH inherited……signed up for……a mess of a situation in summer he was hired. He overachieved his FIRST year onoh.

it Could be argued his best team was denied a chance to prove it with Covid. But after that , he showed his teams underachieved in the NCAA

he is a decent mid major coach…..and may not even be that

if we don’t move in now it will be ugly and perhaps even costlier than paying his $20M
 
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Jake said:
I forgot Holtmann got an extension in August. He's not getting fired after this season no matter how it ends. I hope he can turn it around because what's the alternative?
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Probably just eating a huge financial loss by cutting ties early. Usually I would never see us doing that, but fans are fed up after seeing what this team could potentially be and that's virtually everyone except maybe CH's immediate family. In reading all the recent posts, it seems like we all liked CH when hired and have given plenty enough time to recruit and develop his own recruits. Every chance has been given to be successful and we're at the bottom of the conference. I think most years our more reasonable fans can deal with middle-to-top half of the conference. But not this, we should have ran laps around Minnesota and Corn and yet somehow lost both. And it's pretty obvious that CH doesn't even barely get his players attention. We're just playing school yard ball with no discipline or plan in place.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Probably just eating a huge financial loss by cutting ties early. Usually I would never see us doing that, but fans are fed up after seeing what this team could potentially be and that's virtually everyone except maybe CH's immediate family. In reading all the recent posts, it seems like we all liked CH when hired and have given plenty enough time to recruit and develop his own recruits. Every chance has been given to be successful and we're at the bottom of the conference. I think most years our more reasonable fans can deal with middle-to-top half of the conference. But not this, we should have ran laps around Minnesota and Corn and yet somehow lost both. And it's pretty obvious that CH doesn't even barely get his players attention. We're just playing school yard ball with no discipline or plan in place.
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I've been pretty big on preaching that the peak Matta years (2005-13 ish) are not a fair or reasonable bar for tOSU basketball. Is it possible to reach those heights again? Sure, but it isn't and shouldn't be the standard given our history. That said, what 6 years of Chris Holtmann have yielded isn't good enough.

Over half a decade on and he's yet to win a title of any kind (and barring a miracle, isn't getting one this year), hasn't sniffed the Sweet-16 and suffered the embarrassing Oral Roberts loss in round 1. I don't have the data and I'm not looking for it right now, but it feels like these January/February swoons have been a common theme under CH. Take away his first year and he's 45-42 in the B1G. That isn't gonna cut it.

An upset loss on the road in January against a B1G foe isn't a big deal in and of itself, but compounded by several other lackluster efforts, it's a big red flag. I don't think there's a very good chance of cutting ties given his recent extension, but something needs to change. Given tOSU's AD weight, I'm sure they could swing a buyout, but I don't know that the "give a shit" factor is as high as it would be for football. I think we're stuck with him for the time being and just have to hope it gets worked out somehow. There's too much talent to be this bad. It feels like we're right back at the dying days of the Matta-era, except the recruiting is a bit better.
 
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