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CFP Title Game, Alabama vs tOSU, Jan 11, 8:15 ET on ESPN, Miami

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Jaxbuck said:
Not giving you a hard time here but I didn't hear anyone crying about Bama's unfair advantages before they hired Saban and were losing games to directional Alabama teams.

Everyone in CFB is free to compete equally. Some will commit more resources than others, some will make better decisions than others, some will have more luck than others (in the short run). Those who have a goal, make a good plan and execute on it will likely have different results than those who do less of those things.

It's simple and it's fair. Opportunity is/should be guaranteed, not results.
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Absolutely. I’m more talking about those schools that just straight up don’t really have the resources to really compete with the blue bloods or have other issues holding them back like a lack of fertile recruiting grounds. Wisconsin’s been about as well oiled a machine as one could ask for 30+ years but they just don’t have the built in advantages of an Alabama, OSU, or USC.

But teams like UT and SCUM? Fuck ‘em.
 
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Systems_id said:
This has always been apart of college sports imo. The blue bloods have been getting theirs since forever and I’m not sure how you change that.
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There is an article on the internet from yesterday in which the author suggests expanding the playoff to 8 or 16 would solve this. But we see how physically taxing it is on the players to play two consecutive games against elite teams after the conference championship. Three in a row wouldn't be good, I think. They can do it in the pros, but that's different.
 
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Ohio State's conference handling the pandemic like its contemporaries did is the safer space alternate reality for the 2020 epitaph. The Buckeyes were knocked off schedule so badly by B1G leadership this season that recovering and winning a title in eight games might have eclipsed what the 2014 team accomplished with a 3rd string quarterback.

All the delays and postponements ACC and SEC programs dealt with in the early and middle of their conference schedules smacked B1G programs in the middle and the end of theirs, because the virus operated on its own schedule. Timing was everything. That delay delivered B1G consequences far beyond Sermon getting injured, including:

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Ohio State DL standouts Tyreke Smith and Tommy Togiai were unavailable for the national title game.
 
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Zem said:
There is an article on the internet from yesterday in which the author suggests expanding the playoff to 8 or 16 would solve this. But we see how physically taxing it is on the players to play two consecutive games against elite teams after the conference championship. Three in a row wouldn't be good, I think. They can do it in the pros, but that's different.
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You would have to make certain changes to the schedule to accommodate it. 11 regular season games instead of 12. 8 conference games for all conferences, 3 OOC. CCGs for the P5 and 2 G5 teams are a sweet 16, then you get the quarter final from there.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
this is a microcosm of society at large. A lot of people expect the rules to be changed to ensure an even result for everyone. I personally believe that if the playing field is the same to everyone, where you end up is on you.

Don't want Bama to dominate? Up your game and beat them. If you can't/won't then shut the fuck up. It's up to you. Don't whine to the NCAA.
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Not directed specifically at you, Jax. Just piggy-backing off of this post.

Clemson didn't come along as they current exist until what... 6 years ago? Dabo really turned that program around. But staying power is doing it in 2 different decades, which remains to be seen for them. Clemson has a pretty recent history (35 years or so) of being very mediocre.

As for the rest? UM, Texas, USC, Da U? They have only themselves to blame for their downturns. Questionable coaching hires repeatedly after letting/seeing successful staffs go has made these programs a shell of what they were just a short 10 years ago. scUM dumped a NC winning (split title) coach for a WV redneck and a bunch of 160lb slot receivers. Then hired a professional clapper who somehow won a BCS bowl against a widely inferior team in a season that their biggest obstacle was a 6 win tOSU. Meanwhile despite the uptick, they couldn't keep recruiting momentum nor develop their players. All of that just in time to hire their "savior" who has been anything but. Generally, saviors can't be egomaniacs, but Harvard of the West apparently didn't know that? Texas felt Mack Brown lost his grip on his own team but, as it turns out, he's still a pretty good coach pulling off successful seasons at a basketball school. SC? Pete Carroll aside, was a program lucky to not get some serious shit thrown their way. But they've been irrelevant since that night they won in The 'Shoe. It's L.A. for Christ sake, you're telling me you can't get recruits to beautiful weather, a buffet of women and top notch facilities?


Then there's The U. Honestly I just wanted to toss this one in for fun. They haven't been shit since Tressel put the nail in the coffin, but they're a fine example much like SC. They have everything going for them location and facilities wise, but can't seem to make it work beyond a 9 win season here and there.

Who else can we really claim as blue blood? Jaw-jaw? Fuck off. LSU? Congrats, you went from Les Miles dumbass to a muppet that needed generational talents at QB and WR to pull it off in a year that nobody besides the Buckeyes played defense. Between 2007-2019 was what? Mediocrity and getting blown out in a rematch against Bama. Shit, LSU is as lucky as anyone that 2020 outdid 2007 as the weirdest year in CFB that I can remember. How soon do we forget about Les and the "Well two losses is one tie in the old system".



Bama and tOSU didn't just "pull ahead" - the other big names in college football simply started falling behind. Way, way, waaaaaay behind. For as consistent as the Bucks have been the last 2 decades, Bama has more to show for it than us even. It's one of the more impressive runs in football history. But all runs end.
 
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Drubuck said:
Why not make the conference champ games into the 1st round of the playoff?
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Exactly. Take the 5 winners and 1 team from the non-P5 and give the top-2 teams a bye. This is the best format for every conference not named ‘SEC’. The other conferences should all get behind it. It makes conference championships extremely important and allows entry for the teams not in the P5. And it prevents ESPN from picking and choosing who gets in. It’s a 6-team playoff but it’s really 10 division winners (or top-2 from each p5) plus 1 non-P5.

Anybody buying into the simplistic expansion to 8 or 16 is falling for ESPN’s long term strategy, which would allow them to influence a committee into picking a multitude of SEC teams for the playoff. Don’t get sucked into that.

I just started watching NFL games this week, since the regular season means very little if you don’t have a fantasy team. I don’t want the same thing to happen to college football.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Not directed specifically at you, Jax. Just piggy-backing off of this post.

Clemson didn't come along as they current exist until what... 6 years ago? Dabo really turned that program around. But staying power is doing it in 2 different decades, which remains to be seen for them. Clemson has a pretty recent history (35 years or so) of being very mediocre.

As for the rest? UM, Texas, USC, Da U? They have only themselves to blame for their downturns. Questionable coaching hires repeatedly after letting/seeing successful staffs go has made these programs a shell of what they were just a short 10 years ago. scUM dumped a NC winning (split title) coach for a WV redneck and a bunch of 160lb slot receivers. Then hired a professional clapper who somehow won a BCS bowl against a widely inferior team in a season that their biggest obstacle was a 6 win tOSU. Meanwhile despite the uptick, they couldn't keep recruiting momentum nor develop their players. All of that just in time to hire their "savior" who has been anything but. Generally, saviors can't be egomaniacs, but Harvard of the West apparently didn't know that? Texas felt Mack Brown lost his grip on his own team but, as it turns out, he's still a pretty good coach pulling off successful seasons at a basketball school. SC? Pete Carroll aside, was a program lucky to not get some serious shit thrown their way. But they've been irrelevant since that night they won in The 'Shoe. It's L.A. for Christ sake, you're telling me you can't get recruits to beautiful weather, a buffet of women and top notch facilities?


Then there's The U. Honestly I just wanted to toss this one in for fun. They haven't been shit since Tressel put the nail in the coffin, but they're a fine example much like SC. They have everything going for them location and facilities wise, but can't seem to make it work beyond a 9 win season here and there.

Who else can we really claim as blue blood? Jaw-jaw? Fuck off. LSU? Congrats, you went from Les Miles dumbass to a muppet that needed generational talents at QB and WR to pull it off in a year that nobody besides the Buckeyes played defense. Between 2007-2019 was what? Mediocrity and getting blown out in a rematch against Bama. Shit, LSU is as lucky as anyone that 2020 outdid 2007 as the weirdest year in CFB that I can remember. How soon do we forget about Les and the "Well two losses is one tie in the old system".



Bama and tOSU didn't just "pull ahead" - the other big names in college football simply started falling behind. Way, way, waaaaaay behind. For as consistent as the Bucks have been the last 2 decades, Bama has more to show for it than us even. It's one of the more impressive runs in football history. But all runs end.
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Said this way better than I could’ve.
 
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I don’t know what happened here. I remember before the 2012 title game with ND, Kelly thought AJ was just a game manager and ND would be able to handle the Bama offense. They were wrong. It almost looks like OSU coaches made a similar sort of error when evaluating the Bama offense.

believe it or not, the offense was more explosive before Waddle got hurt. His loss really hurt Bama, and the entire offensive scheme had to be reworked. Still, there was no weakness. Metchie is extremely good, Billingsley, Bolden, are all excellent. Mac Jones is simply Burrow 2.0. He can make all the throws and all the reads.

the Bama defense has weaknesses, especially in the middle. The secondary is pretty good. The DL is pretty good. Linebacker play is bad.

if I was OSU, I would have doubled devonta on defense and thrown to my tight ends over the middle on offense.

The short season for OSU was weird. It allowed them to come into the playoffs fresh, but destroyed the continuity that can allow a team to gel. I’m not sure exactly how much Covid affected you guys through the year, but it was disappointing that you lost some guys in the run up to the games.

Bama was extremely good and disciplined with Covid this year. They tested every single day, and the players lived in nearly complete isolation. No restaurants, no movies, no parties. They were allowed to go home over Xmas, but with strict rules to follow. They were nearly prisoners. I noticed a couple of people taking shots at how Bama probably wasn’t testing it’s players. That couldn’t be further from the truth.

Sark called a masterful playoffs. He will be missed. He went very vanilla in the ND game. It wasn’t in doubt from the first kickoff and the coaches knew it.

I think this game was over before it started. The Bama game plan was excellent, OSU wasn’t. When you combine that with the nearly perfect offense Bama had this year, it made for a tough night for OSU.
 
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Gcashwell said:
I don’t know what happened here. I remember before the 2012 title game with ND, Kelly thought AJ was just a game manager and ND would be able to handle the Bama offense. They were wrong. It almost looks like OSU coaches made a similar sort of error when evaluating the Bama offense.

believe it or not, the offense was more explosive before Waddle got hurt. His loss really hurt Bama, and the entire offensive scheme had to be reworked. Still, there was no weakness. Metchie is extremely good, Billingsley, Bolden, are all excellent. Mac Jones is simply Burrow 2.0. He can make all the throws and all the reads.

the Bama defense has weaknesses, especially in the middle. The secondary is pretty good. The DL is pretty good. Linebacker play is bad.

if I was OSU, I would have doubled devonta on defense and thrown to my tight ends over the middle on offense.

The short season for OSU was weird. It allowed them to come into the playoffs fresh, but destroyed the continuity that can allow a team to gel. I’m not sure exactly how much Covid affected you guys through the year, but it was disappointing that you lost some guys in the run up to the games.

Bama was extremely good and disciplined with Covid this year. They tested every single day, and the players lived in nearly complete isolation. No restaurants, no movies, no parties. They were allowed to go home over Xmas, but with strict rules to follow. They were nearly prisoners. I noticed a couple of people taking shots at how Bama probably wasn’t testing it’s players. That couldn’t be further from the truth.

Sark called a masterful playoffs. He will be missed. He went very vanilla in the ND game. It wasn’t in doubt from the first kickoff and the coaches knew it.

I think this game was over before it started. The Bama game plan was excellent, OSU wasn’t. When you combine that with the nearly perfect offense Bama had this year, it made for a tough night for OSU.
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Add to this the key Ohio State injuries, which I think you forgot to mention.
 
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BB73 said:
Exactly. Take the 5 winners and 1 team from the non-P5 and give the top-2 teams a bye. This is the best format for every conference not named ‘SEC’. The other conferences should all get behind it. It makes conference championships extremely important and allows entry for the teams not in the P5. And it prevents ESPN from picking and choosing who gets in. It’s a 6-team playoff but it’s really 10 division winners (or top-2 from each p5) plus 1 non-P5.

Anybody buying into the simplistic expansion to 8 or 16 is falling for ESPN’s long term strategy, which would allow them to influence a committee into picking a multitude of SEC teams for the playoff. Don’t get sucked into that.

I just started watching NFL games this week, since the regular season means very little if you don’t have a fantasy team. I don’t want the same thing to happen to college football.
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I've long said that a 6-team playoff is the best solution: 5 conference champs plus a single wildcard. Glad to get concurrence from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
 
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