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mleone21
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The ACC has 3 losses. Pitt, NC, Louisville. I still think they have more favorable matchups than we do, but we need Penn State, Wisconsin, and Iowa to finish strong. I still think they'll do that. We did the conference no favors tonight, however. I mean other than Maryland I think the Big Ten was even or a dog in basically every matchup to this point. Michigan was probably the only favorite greater than us. Indiana held their own vs ranked Utah for example.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
nah, i don't think that is needed. my suspicion is a couple of people have simply been promoted beyond their current ability. *shrug* sometimes that happens. doesn't mean they should be drug out back and shot in the face. just means thats not the job for them. we need a couple of changes imo. as much as i have railed against beck and wariner tonight i don't have any ill will towards them. i honestly believe everything they have done over the last two years, they honestly thought was the right thing to do.
i just don't see co offensive coordinator as the best fit for their abilities currently. no matter how much i truly believe they are doing their very best, a few changes are needed imo. personally i have 0 issues with them staying on staff and retaining their specific units. just not so much on the play calling bit...
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
yep yep. if we went 0 for i wouldn't have been one bit surprised. matchups imo is something people don't take into account nearly enough in sports. yet its such an important factor.
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DiamondBuck
Football is 100% physical, 100% mental.
Bullshit. What makes you think that would have worked any better?
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
... whats the likely hood it would have worked out any worse? i don't think running dave 50 times in a row would have been overly successful. but at some point after the exact same 3 plays fail to work repeatedly you have to at least consider trying anything else. literally anything else.
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Ohio State lost. They were the youngest team in the nation and made it that far. My geographic and gerontological advantage tells me that the sun rises everywhere on 1 January.
I don't see what Dabo said but the parents are involved and they and the kids love this program. He'd love to flip a few OSU recruits. Ohio State is an elite program and the players are happy and having fun.
But it also is a young team. The problems of youth manifested quickly when Jordan got hurt and when Lattimore had to go to the sidelines. Lack of depth left not enough players ready to play at that level. That first slow pull by Knox will stick in lots of minds a long time.
You can scream in outrage. Something is very wrong at QB. Durbin broke in the TSUN game. The biggest problem is the offensive coaching staff and Meyer needs to get that right. Looking at playcalling and player development, I hope he can find another coach who can recruit Texas.
But, folks, this is BP. We remember how lucky we are to have a program at this level evety year. We support them. We don't whine or bash players and coaches. Push back from the keyboard and sleep on it. The 2017 NC run already has begun.
I don't see what Dabo said but the parents are involved and they and the kids love this program. He'd love to flip a few OSU recruits. Ohio State is an elite program and the players are happy and having fun.
But it also is a young team. The problems of youth manifested quickly when Jordan got hurt and when Lattimore had to go to the sidelines. Lack of depth left not enough players ready to play at that level. That first slow pull by Knox will stick in lots of minds a long time.
You can scream in outrage. Something is very wrong at QB. Durbin broke in the TSUN game. The biggest problem is the offensive coaching staff and Meyer needs to get that right. Looking at playcalling and player development, I hope he can find another coach who can recruit Texas.
But, folks, this is BP. We remember how lucky we are to have a program at this level evety year. We support them. We don't whine or bash players and coaches. Push back from the keyboard and sleep on it. The 2017 NC run already has begun.
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Systems_id
Head Coach
No the program is fine. Beck needs to go and Warriner either needs to be demoted back to o-line coach or he can pack his bags too. That simple. Those two were pretty much 85% of the reason we lost tonight. The other side of the ball was as good as it has been in years.
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As a Tampa resident myself, I say blast down to Key Largo. It's about 4 hours away and a cool drive through the Everglades. Or stay more local and head to Siesta Keys and get a bungalow for a few days. A buddy of mine is looking to unload his 4 CFP NC tix if you do change your mind.
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Problem is that you can't demote Warriner back to the line. That would mean firing Studwara unnecessarily. Besides, a demotion in the same school wouldn't sit well. I think there would always be that embarrassing factor that everyone knows he failed. So the choices are simple: keep him on as the OC/TE coach, or fire him.... really I think Beck is the first guy that needs to go. Question is wether or not Urban has a replace ready - recruiting & coaching doesn't stop after last night.
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HorseshoeFetish
Silver Bullet Supporter
Gameplan? What gameplan? At this point I'd be happy to see the occasional
Or maybe we could just blow up the offensive staff and let these kids finish their training on their own?
I just know I can't wait to see these kids next year. One more off season with Coach Mick and a giant chip on their shoulders......could get bloody on the field.
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
The final score was bad, but it really wasn't an ass kicking for 3/4th of the game thanks to the superb effort and execution of the defense. Valiant, even, in the face of the absolute disaster that was the offense.
Even a mildly competent offensive performance and that is a close game. A good offensive performance and that was a win, possibly even a comfortable win, given how well the defense was playing.
It's a shame such an effort against an elite opponent was wasted.
It's also pretty amazing that Meyer lost to Clemson in '13 because his defense was a disaster while his offense was amazing. Now he lost to them in '16 because his offense is a disaster and his defense is amazing.
I'm curious, in the four weeks leading up to the game, what the conversations between Meyer and Warriner/Beck were like.
Meyer: Hey guys, what are you seeing on tape? What are you working on?
Warriner/Beck: Well, their DTs are really good, so we've got this genius plan to get rid of the ball quickly while also attacking the edge... wait for it... we're going to throw the ball quickly to the flats.
Meyer: Okay, that sounds... like a decent... complementary play to sprinkle in with some sort of base package that really attacks their weak LBs and DBs vertically and/or in the middle of the field.
Warriner/Beck: Oh, well... no, we were just planning on throwing it quickly to the flats all day.
Meyer is too good of a coach for that to be the case. Which makes me suspect the offense comes up with a plan and then Warriner/Beck just absolutely shit down their leg when a defense throws something at them they weren't expecting and is utterly incapable of adjusting on the fly.
This explains the "good" games they've managed to put together in the past... when the defense didn't throw anything at them they weren't expecting causing them to completely abandon any semblance of a strategy.
This also explains why teams like Indiana and Northwestern have managed to make the offense look so bad. You don't even need to be talented- just do something unexpected and OSU will struggle literally the entire game to adjust.
Once again- I recognize that JT has arm limitations and the WRs and OL were incredibly inconsistent all season. But which came first, bad coaching and incompetent play calls? Or poor execution from the players?
Good coaching mitigates issues like a young OL and a QB with throwing limitations... bad coaching make it a million times worse.
Even a mildly competent offensive performance and that is a close game. A good offensive performance and that was a win, possibly even a comfortable win, given how well the defense was playing.
It's a shame such an effort against an elite opponent was wasted.
It's also pretty amazing that Meyer lost to Clemson in '13 because his defense was a disaster while his offense was amazing. Now he lost to them in '16 because his offense is a disaster and his defense is amazing.
I'm curious, in the four weeks leading up to the game, what the conversations between Meyer and Warriner/Beck were like.
Meyer: Hey guys, what are you seeing on tape? What are you working on?
Warriner/Beck: Well, their DTs are really good, so we've got this genius plan to get rid of the ball quickly while also attacking the edge... wait for it... we're going to throw the ball quickly to the flats.
Meyer: Okay, that sounds... like a decent... complementary play to sprinkle in with some sort of base package that really attacks their weak LBs and DBs vertically and/or in the middle of the field.
Warriner/Beck: Oh, well... no, we were just planning on throwing it quickly to the flats all day.
Meyer is too good of a coach for that to be the case. Which makes me suspect the offense comes up with a plan and then Warriner/Beck just absolutely shit down their leg when a defense throws something at them they weren't expecting and is utterly incapable of adjusting on the fly.
This explains the "good" games they've managed to put together in the past... when the defense didn't throw anything at them they weren't expecting causing them to completely abandon any semblance of a strategy.
This also explains why teams like Indiana and Northwestern have managed to make the offense look so bad. You don't even need to be talented- just do something unexpected and OSU will struggle literally the entire game to adjust.
Once again- I recognize that JT has arm limitations and the WRs and OL were incredibly inconsistent all season. But which came first, bad coaching and incompetent play calls? Or poor execution from the players?
Good coaching mitigates issues like a young OL and a QB with throwing limitations... bad coaching make it a million times worse.
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