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8/23/06 - Posted from the Daily Record newsroom
Madison tutoring young members of Giants' secondary BY ERNIE PALLADINO
GANNETT NEWSPAPERS ALBANY -- The Giants brought in Sam Madison as much to upgrade the secondary as to tutor the younger players of the unit.The 10th-year veteran has had his own struggles as he gets used to a new system and a more aggressive style of coverage than his former team, the Dolphins, used last year. But he's always found the time to offer some timely advice to folks like young veterans Frank Walker and Corey Webster, and undrafted newcomers like E.J. Underwood and Kevin Dockery.
Apparently, they have listened. Walker, for instance, has become less of a gambler. Webster, the starting left cornerback, has become more steady in coverage. And Underwood and Dockery have moved up the depth chart to a point where each could challenge for a roster spot.
It's a lot different from a lot of youthful units Madison has been around.
"I've been around first, second, third-rounders and you tell them something and they don't pick it up,"Madison said. "But these guys listen. I tell them, I don't care if it's one or 15 plays. Be careful about what you put on film because a lot of other people are watching it.
"Some of these guys are going to make it interesting for the last few spots."
Webster doesn't have to worry about the numbers game, of course. The second-year player, last year's second-rounder out of LSU, was pressed into starting duty when Curtis Deloatch got hurt for the regular season finale. He'd had plenty of experience in the nickel defense prior to that, but now he must advance as a starter.
He heeds all the advice Madison gives him.
"Sam takes us young guys under his wing, and we respect that," Webster said. "We're all improving as a whole."
Underwood and Walker have made two of the more significant improvements in camp. Just settling Walker down, convincing him not to take the big gamble, has resulted in the reserve corner improving his timing. Only two days ago, he nudged himself at the last minute in front of Michael Jennings to intercept a bullet from Jared Lorenzen.
"Frank was very raw,"Madison said. "He liked to gamble a lot. But I've been talking to him, and now the coaches are saying good things about him. It hasn't been that way for a while."
Underwood, an undrafted kid out of tiny NAIA school Pikeville who spent his first three years at Ohio State, has worked on the starting nickel and dime alignments, and is now a regular with the second unit.
"E.J. is pretty much a lot of technique things," Madison said.
"In college, you end up looking into the backfield a lot to see when the ball's coming out. What I've been doing is assuring him that the ball will be there. Play your position, it'll be there."
Madison actually had kinder words for Dockery, who remains on the third unit and is a longshot because of a small 5-foot-8, 188-pound frame.
"He's impressing me, too,"Madison said. "He's a smaller guy, but he's aggressive."
Madison would love to show them exactly the kind of aggression he's talking about. Only thing is, he's been in and out of practice with a hamstring problem since Aug. 14.
That, combined with a slow start to camp, led people to question whether he'd be a true upgrade to the departed Will Allen or Will Peterson, especially after missing the last preseason game against Kansas City.
He's expected back Friday. So the starting secondary again will be intact.
That will do well for gelling purposes.
"On a scale from 1-to-10, I'd say we're at 7," Madison said. "We've still got a few things to iron out."
Whether any of it will translate into more interceptions and more breathers for the defense is the question. Madison himself has had only two interceptions in the last two years, both coming in 2005 as he struggled with Nick Saban's form of a read-and-react coverage scheme.
For now, it's enough that Madison's influence has affected his younger brethren.
They're taking his words to heart.
"You're going to see people flying to the ball, move fast and make plays," Webster said.
8/23/06 - Posted from the Daily Record newsroom
Madison tutoring young members of Giants' secondary BY ERNIE PALLADINO
GANNETT NEWSPAPERS ALBANY -- The Giants brought in Sam Madison as much to upgrade the secondary as to tutor the younger players of the unit.The 10th-year veteran has had his own struggles as he gets used to a new system and a more aggressive style of coverage than his former team, the Dolphins, used last year. But he's always found the time to offer some timely advice to folks like young veterans Frank Walker and Corey Webster, and undrafted newcomers like E.J. Underwood and Kevin Dockery.
Apparently, they have listened. Walker, for instance, has become less of a gambler. Webster, the starting left cornerback, has become more steady in coverage. And Underwood and Dockery have moved up the depth chart to a point where each could challenge for a roster spot.
It's a lot different from a lot of youthful units Madison has been around.
"I've been around first, second, third-rounders and you tell them something and they don't pick it up,"Madison said. "But these guys listen. I tell them, I don't care if it's one or 15 plays. Be careful about what you put on film because a lot of other people are watching it.
"Some of these guys are going to make it interesting for the last few spots."
Webster doesn't have to worry about the numbers game, of course. The second-year player, last year's second-rounder out of LSU, was pressed into starting duty when Curtis Deloatch got hurt for the regular season finale. He'd had plenty of experience in the nickel defense prior to that, but now he must advance as a starter.
He heeds all the advice Madison gives him.
"Sam takes us young guys under his wing, and we respect that," Webster said. "We're all improving as a whole."
Underwood and Walker have made two of the more significant improvements in camp. Just settling Walker down, convincing him not to take the big gamble, has resulted in the reserve corner improving his timing. Only two days ago, he nudged himself at the last minute in front of Michael Jennings to intercept a bullet from Jared Lorenzen.
"Frank was very raw,"Madison said. "He liked to gamble a lot. But I've been talking to him, and now the coaches are saying good things about him. It hasn't been that way for a while."
Underwood, an undrafted kid out of tiny NAIA school Pikeville who spent his first three years at Ohio State, has worked on the starting nickel and dime alignments, and is now a regular with the second unit.
"E.J. is pretty much a lot of technique things," Madison said.
"In college, you end up looking into the backfield a lot to see when the ball's coming out. What I've been doing is assuring him that the ball will be there. Play your position, it'll be there."
Madison actually had kinder words for Dockery, who remains on the third unit and is a longshot because of a small 5-foot-8, 188-pound frame.
"He's impressing me, too,"Madison said. "He's a smaller guy, but he's aggressive."
Madison would love to show them exactly the kind of aggression he's talking about. Only thing is, he's been in and out of practice with a hamstring problem since Aug. 14.
That, combined with a slow start to camp, led people to question whether he'd be a true upgrade to the departed Will Allen or Will Peterson, especially after missing the last preseason game against Kansas City.
He's expected back Friday. So the starting secondary again will be intact.
That will do well for gelling purposes.
"On a scale from 1-to-10, I'd say we're at 7," Madison said. "We've still got a few things to iron out."
Whether any of it will translate into more interceptions and more breathers for the defense is the question. Madison himself has had only two interceptions in the last two years, both coming in 2005 as he struggled with Nick Saban's form of a read-and-react coverage scheme.
For now, it's enough that Madison's influence has affected his younger brethren.
They're taking his words to heart.
"You're going to see people flying to the ball, move fast and make plays," Webster said.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
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When I read that, I assumed he was talking about the speed of the game and having to adjust.
Sounds like E.J. has a slight injury...
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CB E.J. Underwood, who injured his shoulder against the Jets, was not on the field and could be headed for the injured reserve list.
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Giants cut Rob Johnson, 12 others
Posted: Tuesday August 29, 2006 5:34PM; Updated: Tuesday August 29, 2006 5:34PM
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- Veteran quarterback Rob Johnson and 12 others players were released by the New York Giants on Tuesday and promising free agent cornerback E.J. Underwood was placed on injured reserve.
Underwood hurt his shoulder in the preseason game against the Jets on Friday night.
Also waived were punter Travis Dorsch, receivers Triandos Luke and Harry Williams, running backs Little John Flowers and Greg Hanoian, defensive backs Brandon Williams, Jason Shivers and Vontez Duff, tackle Ben Herrell, defensive ends Sir Henry Anderson and Thomas Carroll and tight end Boo Williams.
Coach Tom Coughlin said it wasn't easy to release the 33-year-old Johnson, who was attempting a comeback after missing two seasons following reconstructive elbow surgery, the Tommy John-type procedure in which a tendon was transplanted.
"I've seen Rob Johnson win football games, and I've been the beneficiary of his ability to play hurt and still make the plays necessary to win," said Coughlin, who drafted Johnson while at Jacksonville. "It's a very, very difficult thing, but other kids played well also."
Johnson's release left Jared Lorenzen and Tim Hasselbeck to back up Eli Manning.
Coughlin was not sure whether Underwood, who started his college career at Ohio State and finished at Pikeville, would need surgery.
"He'd had a really good camp," Coughlin said. "We were kind of closed-mouthed about how well he had been playing and how much information he was able to handle, because he had been playing in those nickel packages and dime packages on the inside. He learned a couple of positions for us, plus special teams."
Giants cut Rob Johnson, 12 others
Posted: Tuesday August 29, 2006 5:34PM; Updated: Tuesday August 29, 2006 5:34PM
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- Veteran quarterback Rob Johnson and 12 others players were released by the New York Giants on Tuesday and promising free agent cornerback E.J. Underwood was placed on injured reserve.
Underwood hurt his shoulder in the preseason game against the Jets on Friday night.
Also waived were punter Travis Dorsch, receivers Triandos Luke and Harry Williams, running backs Little John Flowers and Greg Hanoian, defensive backs Brandon Williams, Jason Shivers and Vontez Duff, tackle Ben Herrell, defensive ends Sir Henry Anderson and Thomas Carroll and tight end Boo Williams.
Coach Tom Coughlin said it wasn't easy to release the 33-year-old Johnson, who was attempting a comeback after missing two seasons following reconstructive elbow surgery, the Tommy John-type procedure in which a tendon was transplanted.
"I've seen Rob Johnson win football games, and I've been the beneficiary of his ability to play hurt and still make the plays necessary to win," said Coughlin, who drafted Johnson while at Jacksonville. "It's a very, very difficult thing, but other kids played well also."
Johnson's release left Jared Lorenzen and Tim Hasselbeck to back up Eli Manning.
Coughlin was not sure whether Underwood, who started his college career at Ohio State and finished at Pikeville, would need surgery.
"He'd had a really good camp," Coughlin said. "We were kind of closed-mouthed about how well he had been playing and how much information he was able to handle, because he had been playing in those nickel packages and dime packages on the inside. He learned a couple of positions for us, plus special teams."
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Season is over
for Underwood
E.J. Underwood was one of the best kept secrets at Giants training camp - a rookie free agent who was almost certainly going to make the team. That's why Tom Coughlin sounded so down yesterday after he reluctantly put the cornerback on season-ending injured reserve. "He had a really good camp," Coughlin said. "We were kind of closed-mouthed about how well he had been playing and how much information he was able to handle. He had been playing in those nickel packages and dime packages on the inside. In reality, he learned a couple of positions for us, plus special teams."
Underwood, an undrafted rookie out of NAIA Pikeville (Ky.) College (he transferred there for personal and academic reasons after playing three years at Ohio State), apparently suffered a torn labrum in his shoulder Friday night against the Jets. Coughlin was unsure if Underwood would need surgery or just rehab before returning to work in the offseason. "I didn't think it was going to be that serious," Coughlin said. "But it was."
OUT PATTERN: WR Harry Williams was cut, officially bringing the Giants down to 76 players. The team receives a roster exemption for S Claudius Osei, who's from Germany and will spend the season on the practice squad as part of the NFL International Practice Squad Program. RB Mike Jemison, was believed to be cut, but he was absent from Monday's practice due to personal reasons, Coughlin said. All rosters must be cut to 53 players by Saturday at 4 p.m.
COUGHLIN CUTS CORD: The toughest cut for Coughlin was clearly QB Rob Johnson, one of his former players from Jacksonville who was attempting a comeback from Tommy John surgery. "It's not an easy call," Coughlin said. "I've seen Rob Johnson win football games and I've been the beneficiary of his ability to play hurt and still make the plays necessary to win. (It's a) very, very difficult thing, but the other kids played well."
The remaining QBs will all see time in the preseason finale against the New England Patriots tomorrow night. Jared Lorenzen will follow starter Eli Manning. Tim Hasselbeck will play at the end. ... LB LaVar Arrington (knee) was held out of practice for precautionary reasons because rain forced the Giants to work on artificial turf for a third straight day.
Season is over
for Underwood
E.J. Underwood was one of the best kept secrets at Giants training camp - a rookie free agent who was almost certainly going to make the team. That's why Tom Coughlin sounded so down yesterday after he reluctantly put the cornerback on season-ending injured reserve. "He had a really good camp," Coughlin said. "We were kind of closed-mouthed about how well he had been playing and how much information he was able to handle. He had been playing in those nickel packages and dime packages on the inside. In reality, he learned a couple of positions for us, plus special teams."
Underwood, an undrafted rookie out of NAIA Pikeville (Ky.) College (he transferred there for personal and academic reasons after playing three years at Ohio State), apparently suffered a torn labrum in his shoulder Friday night against the Jets. Coughlin was unsure if Underwood would need surgery or just rehab before returning to work in the offseason. "I didn't think it was going to be that serious," Coughlin said. "But it was."
OUT PATTERN: WR Harry Williams was cut, officially bringing the Giants down to 76 players. The team receives a roster exemption for S Claudius Osei, who's from Germany and will spend the season on the practice squad as part of the NFL International Practice Squad Program. RB Mike Jemison, was believed to be cut, but he was absent from Monday's practice due to personal reasons, Coughlin said. All rosters must be cut to 53 players by Saturday at 4 p.m.
COUGHLIN CUTS CORD: The toughest cut for Coughlin was clearly QB Rob Johnson, one of his former players from Jacksonville who was attempting a comeback from Tommy John surgery. "It's not an easy call," Coughlin said. "I've seen Rob Johnson win football games and I've been the beneficiary of his ability to play hurt and still make the plays necessary to win. (It's a) very, very difficult thing, but the other kids played well."
The remaining QBs will all see time in the preseason finale against the New England Patriots tomorrow night. Jared Lorenzen will follow starter Eli Manning. Tim Hasselbeck will play at the end. ... LB LaVar Arrington (knee) was held out of practice for precautionary reasons because rain forced the Giants to work on artificial turf for a third straight day.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
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tough break for Underwood.....lets hope he rehabs the injury and comes back strong next year.
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that sucks. i met him back in college and he is a really nice guy. i wish him the best with his rehab.
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Secondary Coach (Cornerbacks) Peter Giunta
August 16, 2007
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Practice report - NJ.com: Ledger on the Giants
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Secondary Coach (Cornerbacks) Peter Giunta
August 16, 2007
Sports Features Communications? - Sports Newsfeeds 24/7
Practice report - NJ.com: Ledger on the Giants
NJ.com: Everything Jersey
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