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CB Denzel 'Hurt! My! Feelings!' Ward (All B1G, All-American, Pro Bowl, Cleveland Browns)

Like I've stated before, it's funny and unsettling how fans hold kids to a higher standard than the coaches who are adults. So by your metrics, coaches should have to pay back some of their exorbitant salaries if they goose to leave their teams before bowl games. If Grunch left WSU for OSU before his bowl gme, imnsure not a peep of negativity would be heard, but a kid sits out a meaningless exhibition game to protect his body and now posts like above are written. That's great that you love, im sure the kids do to. But a fans love is far different than a players. Same with fans in any sport, notice how players applauded guys like Lebron and KD for leaving their teams, but the FANs wanted the players to be loyal. Those same fans would more than likely leave their company for another if the opportunity for a higher salary arose. These kids on scholarships give their bodies for schools in exchange for a scholarship, but no actual revenue and as expected to play in meaningless games at the end of a season for a shiny trophy so that fans can pump their chests. If a kid like Jaylon Smith gets injured, those same fans just saw oh what a shame andnthen look for the next man up, while this kid has to pick his life up and now face the realization that he just flushed Millions of dollars down the drain. I applaud the players for taking a stand on the archaic culture of college athletics, and not caring what fans who will never be in their shoes and don't know their personal lives think.

I don't, I think it would be a great idea to hold coaches to that standard and get hit with a financial penalty for leaving early. Also, I don't consider a top bowl game a "meaningless exhibition"...I consider it the conclusion of what the team has been working for all year.
 
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I wonder what the overlap is between people who think Denzel voluntary sitting out a game is distasteful and people who would've celebrated if JT had decided to bench himself after the Oklahoma game.
Those two scenarios are not even remotely similar. Ward sitting out to ensure he doesn't get hurt is no where near the same as a player benching himself after sub-par play...one is nothing other than avoiding injury and the other is self-punishment for substandard performance.
 
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How long before guys sit that have teams in the playoffs?

I don’t think it’s comparable because scouts would view sitting out a game “with significant meaning” much different than a glorified exhibition game.

Sitting out play-offs would be a red flag about what kind of a teammate you are, and what your priorities are. Sitting out a bowl game that isn’t for a championship, is smart business.....unless you need good tape for scouts. Denzel didn’t need any more good tape for scouts.
 
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Those two scenarios are not even remotely similar. Ward sitting out to ensure he doesn't get hurt is no where near the same as a player benching himself after sub-par play...one is nothing other than avoiding injury and the other is self-punishment for substandard performance.
Both players in that situation are making a sacrifice. JT would be giving up his records and damaging his own personal legacy. Denzel gave up finishing his career with a bowl win.

Those fans that dislike JT would have absolutely zero issue with him making that sacrifice and sitting out because it would enhance their own personal enjoyment of watching Ohio State games. Yet Denzel sitting out the Cotton Bowl to potentially save himself millions is "selfish."
 
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I don’t think it’s comparable because scouts would view sitting out a game “with significant meaning” much different than a glorified exhibition game.

Sitting out play-offs would be a red flag about what kind of a teammate you are, and what your priorities are. Sitting out a bowl game that isn’t for a championship, is smart business.....unless you need good tape for scouts. Denzel didn’t need any more good tape for scouts.
I guess what I’m asking is when is the red line crossed with some of you? A playoff game?

Billmac great example and I figured that’s what I would see...but...your not a scout. You really can’t put yourself in the NFLs shoes (from their standpoint). We assume missing the playoffs would financially hurt or be unwise but we really don’t know. Iv seen the NFL take known druggies without hesitation so I don’t think taking someone who is “selfish” would be that far off.
 
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I like Denzel and respect his decision to the fullest. It’s his decision.

But what do I know? I also believe a reception in football means you didn’t let the football touch the ground or otherwise didn’t drop it. Football and all the stuff that goes along with it is irrelevant when making life changing decisions.

I just feeling like this is one of those decisions and wish him the very best of luck. Go do great things young man!
 
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Both players in that situation are making a sacrifice. JT would be giving up his records and damaging his own personal legacy. Denzel gave up finishing his career with a bowl win.
Ward was making zero "sacrifice"...it's clear that he placed his monetary future above his playing in his last game, and that's his choice. And, if you can say that JT pulling benching himself after a bad game would be "damaging his own personal legacy", you definitely could say the same for Ward, but it would be in a more negative manner.
 
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Ward was making zero "sacrifice"...it's clear that he placed his monetary future above his playing in his last game, and that's his choice. And, if you can say that JT pulling benching himself after a bad game would be "damaging his own personal legacy", you definitely could say the same for Ward, but it would be in a more negative manner.
Ward doesn't really have a legacy. JT is the most prolific Buckeye QB of all time. Saying that Ward didn't make a sacrifice implies that he doesn't give a shit about Ohio State or his teammates. There's no reason to think that.
 
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Need to look at it from a different point of view. Him sitting probably made us a better team next year. Now Okudah has a start under his belt against an excellent passing offense in a serious game situation. That experience is invaluable. I feel better about the start of next season now having seen that in action and the players probably do to.

Kid is a top 15 pick in this draft coming up, his decision doesnt bother me.
 
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Ward doesn't really have a legacy. JT is the most prolific Buckeye QB of all time. Saying that Ward didn't make a sacrifice implies that he doesn't give a [Mark May] about Ohio State or his teammates. There's no reason to think that.
Is there a difference in him sitting out a non playoff game vs final four game? Does anyone’s opinion change to “he doesn’t give a shit about Ohio State and his teammates”?
 
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