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Cavs-Pistons Second Round Playoff Series

cleveland will have a lot more to lose tonight than the other games. Will Marshall, DJ, Z continue to step up? Will Billups, Rip, Sheed continue to disappear? Will Detroit continue to not play defense, a staple of their team in the past? Will Billups continue to commit ugly turnovers which were not all forced?

Lebron is obviously ahead of Jordan due to the age difference (I still like the 'born in the dominican republic' conspiracy for his age :lol:). I woiuld be interested to see how Jordan's team performed during his first playoff series. Lebron has been phenomenal and carried his team many times, but the 4th quarter of Game 5 was not won by lebron.
 
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Lebron is obviously ahead of Jordan due to the age difference. I woiuld be interested to see how Jordan's team performed during his first playoff series. Lebron has been phenomenal and carried his team many times, but the 4th quarter of Game 5 was not won by lebron.

At this point in their careers, I also think that LeBron is light years ahead of Jordan. And unlike what seems to be the popular senitment in the media, I think LeBron can be better than Jordan when it's all said and done for the simple reason that LeBron plays a more complete game. Jordan is a better scorer, but LeBron will be a better rebounder (I think he's as good a rebounder now as Jordan was in his prime) and a better passer/playmaker (he already sees the floor and creates opportunities for his teammates better than Jordan ever did). The only aspect of Jordan's game that is clearly better than LeBron's is the defense. However, I think that LeBron has shown that he can play great defense when he wants to, as he's shown several times in the playoffs. IMO Jordan is more comparable to Dwayne Wade in that they both can pass and rebound some, but their main strengths are in scoring and defense, whereas LeBron can do it all.

As for their respective supporting casts, Jordan did have Charles Oakley, who was on the all-Rookie team, was an all-star, and was named to several all-defensive NBA teams. I think that's one of the main things that LeBron has going against him and that the media doesn't sufficiently recognize, namely that if you view LeBron's accomplishments in light of his supporting cast (which is very weak, IMO), they become all the more impressive.
 
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cleveland will have a lot more to lose tonight than the other games. Will Marshall, DJ, Z continue to step up? Will Billups, Rip, Sheed continue to disappear? Will Detroit continue to not play defense, a staple of their team in the past? Will Billups continue to commit ugly turnovers which were not all forced?

sounds like some cheesey line from a spanish soap opera.
 
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I refuse to think negative thoughts!!! Cavs win tonight and come Sunday afternoon the world will be ready for the first of many Dwayne v LeBron matchups in the Eastern Conference Finals!!!

Must think positive!!! Must think positive!!! Must think positive!!! :paranoid: :paranoid: :paranoid:
 
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A couple questions:

If the Cavs win tonight, should I wear Cavs gear to the Reds game in Detroit on Saturday night? Also, what is the minimum caliber gun I should take for protection if I do?
 
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And unlike what seems to be the popular senitment in the media, I think LeBron can be better than Jordan when it's all said and done for the simple reason that LeBron plays a more complete game.
What media are you watching? Lebron is getting a ton of hype, and I must have heard Pippen asked if he was better than Jordan at least 3 times in a week. Personally, i think that is a very legit opinion, but the media is definitely on the lebron train.
The only aspect of Jordan's game that is clearly better than LeBron's is the defense. However, I think that LeBron has shown that he can play great defense when he wants to, as he's shown several times in the playoffs. IMO Jordan is more comparable to Dwayne Wade in that they both can pass and rebound some, but their main strengths are in scoring and defense, whereas LeBron can do it all.
Jordan was the best defender in basketball during many of his years, tho I was too young to know how good he was when he was 23. Lebron can be a solid defender, I don't think he can be a great defender.

All of this discussion is moot tho, b/c we know the nba wants a game seven and will rig the game accordingly :p
 
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cleveland will have a lot more to lose tonight than the other games. Will Marshall, DJ, Z continue to step up? Will Billups, Rip, Sheed continue to disappear? Will Detroit continue to not play defense, a staple of their team in the past? Will Billups continue to commit ugly turnovers which were not all forced?

Boy JWins, I know you're not a Cavs fan, but it seems as though you're going out of your way to not give the Cavs credit for the 3-2 lead. I would agree that the Pistons have looked out of synch, but this is the best the Cavs have played on defense all year long. Surely, substantial credit should be going to the Cavs here.

I still see the Pistons pulling this series out, but I'm convinced the Cavs will be a legit contender next year as they continue to grow as a TEAM.
 
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I'm hoping that the Pistons shooting problems are due to the Cavs D rather than a 3 game slump. Personally I think the Pistons are older than the Cavs and Saunders is playing the starters too much, which is causing them to be tired. Similar to Nash in the Clippers/Suns series. The Pistons performance has gone downhill in each of the past 3 games. Note that the Cavs have yet to play a great offensive game against the Pistons, yet they have been winning. Sheed has been a non factor since injuring his ankle so it will be big if he can play 40 good minutes tonight. Personally I think the Cavs are more rested than the Pistons right now which is the main factor in the Cavs winning. I'm not going to say that it's a sure thing that the Cavs will win tonight, but I thought it was a sure thing that the Pistons were going to come out strong Wednesday and they didn't. Until they prove otherwise my opinion is that the Pistons hit a wall and are either going to have to bust through it or go home. Unfortunately for the Pistons defense wins championships and they now have an offensive coach. It just doesn't seem like Saunders is making the defensive adjustments that he needs to to win the games.
I'm hoping that Lebron seizes this opportunity to have one of those truly great games and send the Pistons home. If he does I don't think the Pistons will be able to stop the Cavs.
 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=2450502

Cleveland can't bear to witness another heartbreak

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-TOP: 10px" vAlign=top><!-- begin leftcol --><!-- begin free preview text -->CLEVELAND -- A knockoff "Witness" T-shirt was being worn by the first person I came across this morning, a hotel concierge lounge host in his late 50s or early 60s who immediately assured me he was not getting his hopes up too high. </B>
I poured a cup of coffee, picked up the Cleveland Plain Dealer and started reading a column on Page A1 headlined: "Are You Ready to Believe?" In the second graph, the writer asked: "Will our hearts be broken again?" Paragraph No. 4 referenced The Drive, The Fumble and The Shot -- nicknames for three unforgettable moments in this city's playoff history that everyone wishes they could forget.


Clearly, the folks in this town have a bit of a defeatist streak running through their collective consciousness, and I guess I can understand why. I scour my brain for a positive snapshot of the Cavs' past, and I draw a blank. The only highlight reel that comes to mind is Craig Ehlo's trying to defend a last-second shot by Michael Jordan, and we all remember how that ended.
You can count the positive moments in Cavs history on one hand, with a couple extra fingers to spare. They won the draft lottery in 2003, they reached the Eastern Conference finals in 1992 by defeating the Boston Celtics in Larry Bird's final game, and they made it to that same round in 1976 by knocking off the defending conference champion Washington Bullets in Game 7.
But that's about it for a franchise that has won only 35 postseason games in its 36 years of existence, two fewer wins than the Detroit Pistons have accumulated in just the past three years.
They just don't do championships in Cleveland, and decades worth of defeats have made this the Gloom Capital of the Midwest. The Indians haven't won the World Series since 1948, coming up short against the Braves in 1995 and the Marlins in 1997; the Browns haven't been champions of the NFL since 1964; and before this spring rolled around, the last time the Cavs had even made the playoffs was 1998.
Things have been so bad for so long, in fact, that Clevelanders are having a hard time coming to grips with the reality that they may just have the better team in this Eastern Conference semifinals series against Detroit. This, despite the fact that the series has swung decisively in their favor, with the Cavs winning the past three games to take a 3-2 lead over the two-time defending Eastern Conference champions.
Game 6 tips off at 7 p.m. ET tonight, and the only folks with as much fear and apprehension as Cleveland's fans may just be the Pistons themselves, whose legacy is suddenly at stake.
No longer do the Pistons appear as untouchable as they were throughout the regular season, and the sight of their playing tight and scared in Game 5 was just about as shocking as the final score itself.
This is the first time all season Detroit has lost three straight games, and the Pistons have found themselves as clueless as Washington was in the first round when it comes to finding a way to stop LeBron James. Quite suddenly, the Pistons are being exposed as a team with warts, from coach Flip Saunders' endgame management to Rasheed Wallace's height disadvantage against Zydrunas Ilgauskas to Tayshaun Prince's offensive disappearing act to Ben Wallace's Shaquillian free-throw shooting. (He was 0-for-7 from the line in Game 5, including two critical misses with 40.3 seconds left that left the score tied 84-84. Think that'll cost him a few dollars this summer when he becomes a free agent?)
"Everybody is to blame for us being down 3-2," Chauncey Billups said. "It's not just Flip. It's not myself. It's everybody. We're the best in the league at being a team, and now that we've lost a couple of games, everybody wants us to point fingers. That's not what we do."
The Pistons will enter Game 6 with their confidence intact, or at least that's what they're claiming. The Cavs will lace 'em up knowing they are on the verge of pulling off one of the most stunning upsets the league has seen for the better part of a decade, and the key to the game may just be whether the collective apprehension of their fans carries over into their locker room.
The only thing they've witnessed consistently in this town is disappointment, and being within one victory of nirvana is not enough to wipe decades worth of doubt from Cleveland's collective consciousness.
"We're hoping," said the waitress at Sportsman's Deli, the downtown restaurant shown advertising a special sandwich, the quadruple-double, in James' latest Nike commercial. "We've got to think positive."
Wait a minute. Did I just hear a glimmer of optimism? I pressed her on the issue, and she made a confession: She really doesn't like sports, and she doesn't really follow the Cavs. That explains why she might have been one of the few people walking the rainy downtown streets this morning who wasn't expecting the worst.
Chris Sheridan, a national NBA reporter for the past decade, covers the league for ESPN Insider. To e-mail Chris, click here.

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I'm not worried about this being one of those heartbreak situations. Pardon the cliche, but as a longtime Cavs' fan, I really am just happy for the Cavs to be here. The second round success against the Pistons is just icing on an already delectible cake.

But I do remember the '95 World Series very well. I was happy the Indians made it that far, and took it for granted that they were good enough to eventually make another run. 1997 was that year. And that was heartbreak city.
 
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cleveland will have a lot more to lose tonight than the other games. Will Marshall, DJ, Z continue to step up? Will Billups, Rip, Sheed continue to disappear? Will Detroit continue to not play defense, a staple of their team in the past? Will Billups continue to commit ugly turnovers which were not all forced?

Lebron is obviously ahead of Jordan due to the age difference (I still like the 'born in the dominican republic' conspiracy for his age :lol:). I woiuld be interested to see how Jordan's team performed during his first playoff series. Lebron has been phenomenal and carried his team many times, but the 4th quarter of Game 5 was not won by lebron.


Yea, the Pistons are giving the games away. :tibor: The Cavs have played no defense, have shot lights out and were given the games by the Pistons.

Uh, the Pistons shot better than the Cavs in game 5.

The bottom line is the Cavs are suprising the Pistons by playing good defense, and outhustling them during the 4th quarters.

Yea, LeBron didn't make the nice pass to Gooden to WIN the game.

You've been sounding alot like the crybaby Fip Saunders.
 
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detroit didn't have 3 losts in a row all season until the cav's did it. They better get the 4th :) because, back to detroit might be to much for them.

If the cav's win it out. This might be the biggest upset in the N.BA history.

can't remember anything else this big, anyother past huge upsets?
 
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Can't remember who it was but about 5 years ago when they had the best of 5 first round the 1 seed beat the 8 and it was considered one of the biggest upsets ever. Not sure who the two teams were tho.

Edit: Nuggets over Sonics.

How could a one seed beating number eight ever be considered an
upset? :wink2:

Those short series the NBA used to have were such bullshit. The 7 game series will almost always give a true indicator of the better team. (Fingers crossed that that's not the case this series) .
 
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