Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

[aurorabuckeye13]

i see your point but man this would just make our offense even worse...i think going small works better but mike brown has been reluctant to try that in long stretches

It makes our offense alot better if we feed the post. Lebron posting up Ray Allen, Jamison posting up Pierce, or hell even Parker over Rondo would be size mismatches. We could shoot right over the top. And you would still have a pair of shooters on the floor with Jamison and Parker and could play pick and roll with Varejao and Lebron.

 

[y0yoyoin]

2) If LeBron leaves

you can just put goodbye cavs

 

[BigJim]

if anyone remembers last year after the orlando series, "supposedly" gilbert wanted mike brown out and ferry wanted to keep him...windhorst said this again yesterday that if they want mike brown out they might have take ferry out as well....cant see ferry making the decision to fire mike brown

It wasn't a no brainer to fire him last year though, like it would be this year if the Cavs lose to the Celts. I can definitely see Ferry kicking out Brown now. Ferry still might end up leaving but I doubt it'll be due to not firing Brown.

 

[billmac91]

It wasn't a no brainer to fire him last year though, like it would be this year if the Cavs lose to the Celts. I can definitely see Ferry kicking out Brown now. Ferry still might end up leaving but I doubt it'll be due to not firing Brown.

It kind of was a no-brainer though. His adjustments against the Magic were deplorable. But I ahve tot hink LeBron signed off on keeping him around. This franchise has bent over backwards to keep him happy.

Unfortunately for the Cavs, they're built to beat the Magic, but they ran into a buzz-saw in Boston. After tonight, it will be inteersting to see what kind of mud is thrown around...

 

[billmac91]

I'm thinking drastic things need to happen in the offseason for Cleveland.

1) If LeBron stays
If LeBron stays, a new coach will be needed along with a total revamp of supporting players around him. The cast that is currently around him is not getting the job done. Mike Brown and LeBron are obviously butting heads as of recently and it is starting to show. Personally i think Brown has done a great job with the talent he is given...but the front office will more then likely keep an MVP over any coach. At the same time of getting a new coach, i think the Cavs almost need to clean house on the player side. This will give them more salary to work with because i'm sure they are overpaying alot of the current players. With the revamp it is a must for the front office to bring in a real all-star supporting cast member. Jamison and Shaq do not count. If the Cavs do not do this, i think LeBron is gone.

2) If LeBron leaves
If LeBron takes off the land of money and ring hopes, then the Cavs will have a huge hole to fill. If LeBron is gone, i don't think the Cavs need to worry about a coach. Like i said, Brown has done a great job for the talent he is currently given. It is basically LeBron & a Rag-Tag group, yet they had the best record in the NBA and have done alot better then what i would expect them to do. Now to fill the hole with one player will not do. There is not another LeBron in the NBA, so to replace him you would need at least 2 more guys. While finding players to replace him, i think they need to think about getting rid of current players on the roster. The current players will not be able to keep it together and be competitive without LeBron...just look what happen the other night when LeBron decided not to hardly play.

This is what i think the Cavs have going for them in the upcoming offseason. Now i am not a Cavs fan, so this is from an outsiders point of view...so you may think i'm totally wrong in some areas. This is just my opinion.

You're rag-tag analysis makes no sense. Shaqulle O'Neal isn't what he used to be he's a still a force. Antwan Jamison is a former All-Star and certainly a good player. He averaged 20 and 10 in Washington for years. Mo Williams was a big scorer in Milwaukee and averaged close to 25 a night. He was also an All-Star last year. Andy Varajeao gets sixth man of the year recognition. And Anthony Parker is known as a good defender. Throw in J.J. Hickson, Delonte West, and Z and this is a quality club.

This team around LeBron is a playoff team without him. That wasn't the case 2-3 years ago. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're still a 5 or 6 seed. Unfortunately, the regular season is a different beast, and the Cavs can't find that plaoff gear. All it takes is a little adversity and they lose confidence and fold. Mo Williams crumbles, Delonte West is playing poor, Mike Brown isn't making good adjustments, Jamison can't bang with Garnett. It's just ugly.

I really like the idea of O'Neal, Varajeao, Jamison, LeBron, and Williams/Parker/West. Think it'd make us much tougher defensively, and our offense is atrocious anyways so it can't hurt it that bad. Outside of Rondo, I think Garnett is hurting us the most. Ray Allen is playing huge but mostly because he gets Mo the most.

 

[buckeyesin07]

if anyone remembers last year after the orlando series, "supposedly" gilbert wanted mike brown out and ferry wanted to keep him...windhorst said this again yesterday that if they want mike brown out they might have take ferry out as well....cant see ferry making the decision to fire mike brown

Can anyone list something that Ferry has done well as a GM since he arrived? I'm being serious here. All I see are a bunch of questionable free agent signings, trades that haven't worked out, and bad draft picks. I'm not sure that if the Cavs don't at least make it to the NBA Finals this year, he shouldn't be gone right along with Brown.

 

[y0yoyoin]

Can anyone list something that Ferry has done well as a GM since he arrived? I'm being serious here. All I see are a bunch of questionable free agent signings, trades that haven't worked out, and bad draft picks. I'm not sure that if the Cavs don't at least make it to the NBA Finals this year, he shouldn't be gone right along with Brown.

your dumb if your serious....besides the player performances in the playoffs:

traded damon jones for mo williams
traded palvovic and ben wallace for shaq
traded kevin ollie and shane battier and draft picks for Verajo and drew gooden
drafted jj hickson
drafted daniel gibson in 2nd round
traded Z and draft picks for jamison

ferry has done alot for this team to try and put talent around lebron...hes been GM of the year once i believe and runner up or 3rd this year...so its not for nothing...besides letting shannon brown go i cant think of too many moves i disagree that ferry has done: (besides larry hughes)

 

[billmac91]

Can anyone list something that Ferry has done well as a GM since he arrived? I'm being serious here. All I see are a bunch of questionable free agent signings, trades that haven't worked out, and bad draft picks. I'm not sure that if the Cavs don't at least make it to the NBA Finals this year, he shouldn't be gone right along with Brown.

Seriously?

Mo Williams was a solid signing and opened up the court a lot for LeBron. How does Ferry know that Mo can't carry it into the playoffs when he makes that move? Mo was an All-Star last year.

Trading for Shaq was a great move and we'd get to see why if Cleveland faced Orlando in the next round. That isn't happeneing though so it looks like a bad move. Bt if we beat Boston like we were supposed to, Shaq would have been worth his weight in gold against Dwight Howard. And that is a lot of gold.

The Jamison trade should have worked out better but hasn't. Maybe a bad move, although an athletic 4 that can shoot was supposed to open up the court even more for LeBron and help Shaq in the post. Unfortunately Jamison has become a defensive liability and he hasn't been finishing well at the rim. In hindsight, I think Ferry probably wishes he dealt for Stoudamire who dunks half the plays Jamison flips the ball at.

And Anthony Parker was a decent signing this year once they couldn't land Ariza. Put the Ariza situation onLeBron though. Trevor flat out stated he didn't think LeBron was going to be back after this season, and he didn;t want to be left holding a bag in Cleveland. LeBron tried calling and talking him into it, but he wouldn't take the bait. If LeBron re-upped like Kobe has, or made his intentions known, Cleveland would have had one more piece to the puzzle in Ariza.

 

[jlb1705]

your dumb if your serious....besides the player performances in the playoffs:

traded damon jones for mo williams
traded palvovic and ben wallace for shaq
traded kevin ollie and shane battier for Verajo and eric snow
drafted jj hickson
drafted daniel gibson in 2nd round
traded Z and draft picks for jamison

ferry has done alot for this team to try and put talent around lebron...hes been GM of the year once i believe and runner up or 3rd this year...so its not for nothing...besides letting shannon brown go i cant think of too many moves i disagree that ferry has done: (besides larry hughes)

Not to mention that he's done of that while basically being held hostage by his star player. There is annual pressure to make whatever move is available as part effort to improve, part dog & pony show to get LeBron to re-sign. It would be interesting to see the composition of this team if LeBron hadn't been putting that constant pressure on the GM.

Also, what the hell are you supposed to do when you inherit a team full of Ira Newbles and little to no cap space? As far as I know, only one franchise in the entire NBA has been able to have the good fortune of having one of their former players practically giftwrap a HOF 7-footer for them in a trade for a bunch of scrubs, and it sure as [censored] wasn't the Cavs.

 

[billmac91]

Not to mention that he's done of that while basically being held hostage by his star player. There is annual pressure to make whatever move is available as part effort to improve, part dog & pony show to get LeBron to re-sign. It would be interesting to see the composition of this team if LeBron hadn't been putting that constant pressure on the GM.

a la Trevor Ariza. There'd beeven more quality on this team if NBA players felt LeBron was here long-term, no doubt. Cleveland is about the least desirable NBA city in the league(Detroit/Toronto might be 1/2), and the thought of committing several years here, without LeBron isn't something any players are going to do unless we overpay.

 

[y0yoyoin]

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[jlb1705]

For the record, this was the Cavs roster the year before Danny Ferry arrived:

For as bad as the Larry Hughes move turned out, even that one was a step up from this garbage.

 

[BigJim]

It kind of was a no-brainer though. His adjustments against the Magic were deplorable. But I ahve tot hink LeBron signed off on keeping him around. This franchise has bent over backwards to keep him happy.

Unfortunately for the Cavs, they're built to beat the Magic, but they ran into a buzz-saw in Boston. After tonight, it will be inteersting to see what kind of mud is thrown around...

The fact that you felt the need to put the "kind of" in there supports what I said. If you would had polled the Cavs fans last year, Brown supporters would probably at least be somewhere between 10%-30%. Same would go for if you polled "NBA experts". The general consensus was the center position was the bigger issue (for matching up with Dwight). Even if that number is 10% I wouldn't label it a no brainer. If the Cavs lose tonight? I bet that number becomes < 1%.

 

[billmac91]

The fact that you felt the need to put the "kind of" in there supports what I said. If you would had polled the Cavs fans last year, Brown supporters would probably at least be somewhere between 10%-30%. Same would go for if you polled "NBA experts". The general consensus was the center position was the bigger issue (for matching up with Dwight). Even if that number is 10% I wouldn't label it a no brainer. If the Cavs lose tonight? I bet that number becomes < 1%.

It's a whoe other debate I guess....I just can't forget how simple of an adjustment needed to be made and he wouldn't do it. Play LeBron at the 4 to match him up on Lewis. Varajeao, Joe Smith, and Ben Wallace just couldn't guard the perimeter. It opened up 3's all over the court. There was no answer for Dwight, but matching up with our small line-up would have given us a chance. Mike Brown refused to do it for longer than afew minutes at a time even when it was effective. I think most basketball enthusiasts would have been agreement to bring in a stronger candidate for the position.

 

[BigJim]

It's a whoe other debate I guess....I just can't forget how simple of an adjustment needed to be made and he wouldn't do it. Play LeBron at the 4 to match him up on Lewis. Varajeao, Joe Smith, and Ben Wallace just couldn't guard the perimeter. It opened up 3's all over the court. There was no answer for Dwight, but matching up with our small line-up would have given us a chance. Mike Brown refused to do it for longer than afew minutes at a time even when it was effective. I think most basketball enthusiasts would have been agreement to bring in a stronger candidate for the position.

Yeah that's a whole different debate. I guess my main point was at least after last year you could call it a debate, however one-sided it may have been. It'd be pretty clear if the Celts win that Brown needs to go.

It's all a moot point though if Lebron leaves. Not having Lebron here would totally change the business side of things from Gilbert's perspective. It's no longer a "spend whatever it takes" thing if LJ won't be here to create the offsetting revenues. Paying two coaches may no longer make business sense.