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No surprises
Oden was forced into college, away from Indiana
by Tim Layden
1) You wrote about Greg Oden last fall. Are you shocked that he's going to Ohio State?
I did write about Oden last fall, in a feature piece in Sports Illustrated. And I think this is actually a two-part question.
a) Am I surprised that Greg Oden is going to college at all?
b) Am I surprised that he chose Ohio State?
The first answer is technically, Oden going to college became a moot point with the NBA's adoption of a 19-year-old, one-year-out-of-high school minimum for draftees. That rule, approved by the NBA Players Association last week, rendered the 7-0, 245-pound Oden ineligible for the 2006 NBA Draft, in which he would have been the first overall pick.
He could have been the first overall pick this year, no offense to Andrew Bogut.
Let me answer the question anyway: I would have been shocked if Oden actually went to college. I sat and talked with him, and found him delightfully self-effacing, funny and mature. I have a daughter Oden's age and she has friends, so I know something about that age group's ability to converse with adults, never mind adults with digital recorders and notebooks. Oden was terrific. He insisted that he was going to college and I think he believed it. I think his mother, Zoe (a hardworking mom who was so nervous being interviewed in person she kept covering her face in embarrassment), believed otherwise. I think his AAU coach, the former Olympian Mike Conley Sr., believed otherwise. Not to impugn Big Greg's intentions, but I just think the money -- from endorsements as well as his contract -- would have been too much to ignore. I don't think Oden is as greedy and hurried as many high school stars, but in the end, I think Oden is going to college because the NBA is forcing him to. This doesn't make him evil. It makes him sensible.
On the second point, there's no overstating the power in a young man's life of staying with his friends. Something else about Oden: In the hallways of Lawrence North High School, he was one of the guys. He was a bigger, more talented guy, but he was still one of the guys. You ask him about his game and he'll tell you it's 6-foot-2 point guard Mike Conley Jr. who's really got some game. To hear Oden talk, you'd think he was lucky Conley Sr. gave him a uniform to play AAU ball in the summer, with all the talent on the team. I'm not shocked he wanted to keep playing with friends and peers and feel like it was just another year of high school, only with easier classes.
2) But what about Indiana?
Hoosiers' coach Mike Davis is a big boy, but today cannot be one of his all-time top-10 days. He's seen nearly every game Oden has played since his freshman year in high school. In season, out of season, anywhere in the country. Davis just kept showing up. For the same reasons cited above, I'm not stunned that Oden -- and Conley, for that matter -- might want to get out of Indiana. Who needs that baggage?
It's not Oden's -- or Conley's -- job to keep Davis happy. They are given the chance to choose a college once in their lives, and even they have no intention of staying longer than April 1 of their "freshman'' year. (Conley will stay longer). If every kid tried to satisfy every coach who recruited him intensely, they would all be in therapy. Quick aside: I was once writing a story on a college football star. He was telling me recruiting stories. There was this one phone call from a recruiter that came late at night in his senior year. The coach, his voice trembling, said to the player, "I really need a hug tonight. I need to hear that you love me. You love me, don't you?'' Blue-chip recruits aren't heartless, but they put the emotions aside. They have to.
On the other hand, poor Davis. First Pat Ewing Jr. transfers. Then Bracey Wright leaves early. Now this. Davis is as good a guy as you'll meet in a tough business. He's being tested now.
3) One and done for Oden?
Probably. But that's an educated guess based on the money available. Maybe he won't look so great playing against college centers. Maybe he'll really like Columbus. And like I said earlier, Oden is not in a rush. If people -- his mother, other advisors -- tell him the money is impossible to refuse, he'll leave. Otherwise, he might not. Two years wouldn't surprise me.
4) What's the right number? One year? Two years? Four years?
Three years ago I went to Syracuse in early December to write a piece on Carmelo Anthony's one season in the Coldest City in America. It was a shock back then he came to Syracuse at all. But he was having a riot, going to parties, dating college girls who fell at his feet and, not least of all, winning a national championship.
Back then I sat in Jim Boeheim's office and talked about renting a 19-year-old to win a national title. Boeheim was aware of the perception and vaguely uncomfortable with it. "I wish he would stay two years,'' Boeheim said. "Two years is a good number.'' Two years and a kid is halfway to a degree he might or might not ever need. Two years and maybe he's grown a little from the experience of attending a diverse university. (If, in fact, he gets out of the dorm and off the Xbox enough to meet people other than basketball players and groupies.)
In a perfect world, college athletes would play four years, leave with diplomas and move on to the real world. Check that. That's a fantasy world, not a perfect world. Lebron and Kobe didn't need college. Although I'd entertain the argument that Kobe might be less petulant and immature if he'd spent a few semesters at Duke, but we'll never know.
In the end, I agree with Boeheim. Two years is a good number. Two years is too long to attend prep school. Two years is a long time in Europe, eating strange food. Two years in college and we can all feel a little better about the system.
5) So by dictating one year, did the NBA enact a purely cosmetic change?
Not at all. The NBA addressed the problem and legislated a solution into law. It's not the perfect solution, but critics are being way too hard on the NBA in accusing it of doing too little. One year's waiting period isn't enough to keep agents off The Next Lebron, and it's not enough for The Next Carmelo to really figure out if he wants to major in molecular genetics or art history. It's not going to do anything to dispel the notion that college basketball is nothing more than a de facto professional minor league that has little in common with the institutions whose names appear on the front of the uniform. I'm not sure anything would do that, short of a no-tolerance rule on 100 percent graduation rates. And that's not anywhere in sight.
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Oden, the consensus No. 1 player in the class of 2006, and Conley, considered one of the top point guards in the nation, were already captivated by Matta's personable style before they visited OSU last month. And they were drawn to him even more after getting a sample of his wicked sense of humor.
Matta's impersonation of Lawrence North coach Jack Keefer — an Indiana icon — left Oden and Conley in stitches.
"When he did a coach Keefer impression, that was the funniest thing in the world," Oden said. "I was literally crying in the back of the car."
Conley also was taken aback by Matta's flair for putting players at ease.
"He's got a great ability to get along with teenagers and kids like us," Conley said. "When I'm around him, it feels like I'm talking to one of my friends. Yet, he's a coach, too. Having that bond, I feel, will get me to where I want to go."
The players can't sign binding letters-of-intent until Nov. 9. Matta can't comment on recruits until then.
Oden, who had a 4.0 grade-point average as a junior, is thought to be a No. 1 pick in the NBA
when he decides to leave. But he doesn't sound as if he's in a hurry.
Asked how long he expects to stay at OSU, he replied: "It depends on how long it takes me to feel I've developed enough to be an NBA player."
He added: "I was watching the draft (Tuesday) night, and I was thinking, why are they drafting him? It seems like they're just drafting off potential. If I'm good enough to go one day, I want people to know why I was drafted.
"I don't want to come into the league until I'm ready to compete for rookie of the year."
linkJune 30, 2005
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By Matt Glenesk
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Lawrence North senior Greg Oden is a household name in his home state. In Columbus, where football is king, the Gatorade National Player of the Year remains anonymous among many.
That soon might change.
Oden and high school teammate Mike Conley announced they will attend Ohio State in 2006-07, but it might take more than their oral commitments to steal some of the region's lust for football.
"It's football, football, football," Tyree Morgan of Columbus said. "Football is always going to run Ohio State, I mean Columbus period. The kid will have to win a national title for people to take notice."
Not every fan is so pessimistic. Ohio State sophomore Michael French said there is room for both sports to thrive.
"Of course, we've got great football, but having a great basketball team helps because we just don't want to be a football school," French said. "Why can't we be a basketball school, too?"
Evan Miller, an Ohio State alumnus and Columbus resident, said bringing Oden into the fold will help ease some of the fans' apprehension toward the Buckeyes' basketball team.
"Last year, we had a decent team here and they couldn't play in the NCAA Tournament because they were on probation," Miller said. "I mean finally, when we actually play well, we can't advance. Bringing in the No. 1 player in the country will definitely pique people's interest in this town."
Herbert Richardson, a junior at Ohio State, has kept a close eye on Oden and said the recruiting class coach Thad Matta has assembled will breathe life into the program.
Value City Arena, the university's on-campus facility, seats 19,200, but last year the average attendance was 13,715.
"I think it's going to bring basketball to the front more," Richardson said. ". . . (Oden) will draw people to the stands like LeBron James did when he played some high school games here. I wasn't the biggest Ohio State basketball fan, but then I heard he was coming and I told my buddies I'm going to buy season tickets."
Call Star reporter Matt Glenesk at (317) 444-6492.
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By Jeff Rabjohns
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The headlines will read that Greg Oden and Mike Conley picked Ohio State.
The truth goes much deeper.
As the two Lawrence North High School stars weighed their college options over the past several weeks, after listening to pitches from some of the top programs in the nation, they were swayed by factors unrelated to the name of the school.
They liked the exuberance of second-year coach Thad Matta. They also relished the chance to play together, and with other prep stars they know.
"I felt that it's the best decision for me," Oden, a 7-foot center ranked No. 1 in the Class of 2006, said during Wednesday's formal announcement of his decision. "I just feel I'm going to be comfortable there and I can develop there."
Oden, who joined NBA star LeBron James as the only juniors ever named National High School Player of the Year, and Conley, one of the top-ranked point guards in the country, made their announcements in front of dozens of media members and nearly 100 Ohio State fans who cheered from the bleachers at the Lawrence North gymnasium.
Ohio television stations cut into midday programming for live interviews with possibly the most heralded prep star to pick the Buckeyes.
Oden and the 6-1 Conley join Dayton, Ohio, shooting guard Daequan Cook and Cleveland shooting guard David Lighty in Ohio State's Class of 2006. All four are ranked in the top 40 in the country, and another player could make this class arguably better than Michigan's heralded "Fab Five" of 1991.
"It's going to be a great situation," Oden said. "I know Mike and Daequan and David, and they're all very good players. I know all of us will sacrifice ourselves for the team to win."
Oden picked Ohio State over Wake Forest, Indiana and Michigan State, while Conley was down to Ohio State and Wake Forest.
Oden and Conley are the latest Indiana prep stars to choose a college outside the state, but Oden said his decision not to attend Indiana University wasn't because he didn't like coach Mike Davis, who is under pressure after missing the NCAA Tournament the past two years.
"It's just that I felt more comfortable at Ohio State," Oden said. "I love both coaches. I just had to make a decision, and the place I felt best was at Ohio State."
He was projected as the No. 1 pick in the 2006 NBA draft prior to rule changes that require a player to be a year removed from high school to be eligible. Oden said people shouldn't assume he'll leave college after one year.
"I know when I go out, I want to be good enough that people know why they're drafting me," he said.
Oden and Conley both said their goal is to win a national championship.
The key moment in the recruitment of the two who have been AAU teammates since sixth grade came in April when several high-profile coaches came to Lawrence North for a visit. The coaches spoke to the two players and their parents, Mike and Regina Conley and Zoe Oden.
At the time, Conley was leaning toward Wake Forest, and Oden was uncertain. Matta changed that.
"I think things changed because of his personality and just the way he handles himself on the court," Conley said. "I watched him in practice and with his players.
"He actually gets down there and lifts weights with them. He'll be in his work clothes and he'll go down and bench-press just to be involved with the players. I love that about him."
Said Mike Conley Sr., who coaches the duo's AAU team: "We feel we're sending our kids off to people, not to an institution."
Ohio State began to get serious attention from Oden and Conley when Cook, an AAU teammate, made an oral commitment in March.
Oden and Conley realized Cook's commitment eliminated the chance of all three playing at Wake Forest, so their attention began to shift. Then came the coaches' visits in April, which included Skip Prosser (Wake Forest), Roy Williams (North Carolina), Tom Izzo (Michigan State) and Bruce Weber (Illinois).
"I've been here 30 years, and I've heard them all," Lawrence North coach Jack Keefer said. "I've heard (Rick) Pitino, (Mike) Krzyzewski, Dean Smith, and that day (Matta) was here, I'm telling you he did a sales job.
"He and his assistant sold (Zoe Oden) and those two guys because Ohio State is not a basketball school."
Zoe Oden, a single mom who has raised Greg and his younger brother, Anthony, said Matta made an impression on her.
"I felt real comfortable with him, and I know when Greg is there, he's going to be looked after properly," she said. "He was easy to talk to, relaxing, very funny actually. It was just easy to talk to him. I didn't feel like I was on pins and needles. And when I asked questions, he always had an answer."
Matta, who coached at Butler prior to three years at Xavier, has known Mike Conley Sr. for several years, but it wasn't until the visit at Lawrence North that Matta met Regina Conley. Prior to that, Regina was so certain her son was headed to Wake Forest that she didn't plan to attend.
"Coach Matta was just so exuberant and had so much energy, and was someone I felt was a good guy, somebody I could see myself sending my son to for four years," Regina Conley said. "That made a huge impression on me and changed my outlook."
Oden averaged 20 points, 9.6 rebounds and 3.7 blocks, and had one game this season of 18 blocked shots. Conley added 10.7 points and five assists.
The two said pending NCAA penalties for violations under previous coach Jim O'Brien are not a major concern. Ohio State kept itself out of the NCAA Tournament last year.
"We're pretty confident it won't affect our postseason when we get there," Oden said.
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Doesn't Greg Oden get it? Today's high school basketball superstar is supposed to talk about NBA contracts, not grade-point averages. He talks about buying lots of new toys, not how he was impressed by a certain college's accounting program. He talks about being the NBA Rookie of the Year, not how much he and his game need developing, even when the world is calling him the best amateur in the world.
Suffice to say, Oden is different. Very different. Different in a Tim Duncan kind of way. Different in a way that makes you feel good again about basketball and the young men who play it.
"I was looking at the (NBA) draft (Tuesday) night, and they're drafting guys, (and) I'm like, 'Why are they drafting him; they're just drafting potential?' " Oden said Wednesday after he and Lawrence North teammate Mike Conley orally committed to Ohio State. "I know that when I go (into the draft) one day, I want to be good enough so that when they draft me, people will understand why they drafted me."
It's odd and refreshing at the same time: With so many misguided souls convinced they're ready well before their time, here's Oden, who might be the only person on the planet who isn't convinced he's ready to compete in the NBA.
"It's my overall game," Oden said when asked where he needs improvement. "My body; I'm really not that strong. My shooting, dribbling, defense, footwork, just everything."
The smart money says Oden will stay a year in Columbus, Ohio, then become eligible and be the first pick in the NBA draft. But with this kid, who really knows? Did anybody believe him the past two years when he continually said he was going to college?
Understand, he's not going to college to become draft eligible -- and no, the new NBA draft rules didn't have any impact on his decision. He's going to college to grow up as a player and as a young man, to go to classes and enjoy the campus experience.
"I mean, there's a shoe company contract floating out there that's more money than we can ever think about," said Jack Keefer, Oden's coach at Lawrence North. "There's the signing bonus. But Greg has never thought about how much money that is, or that he's worth as much now as he'll ever be. I don't think he'll become more valuable. He may maintain or he may go backward. You never know. But that's not how he looks at it."
No. Oden looks at it as a chance to obtain something that's priceless. Time is something you can't buy. And they don't hand out bachelor's degrees for playing in the NBA.
"I'll definitely get it (the diploma)," Oden said. He smiled. "I didn't exactly make a promise to my mom (Zoe). More like a threat."
So why Ohio State?
There are a lot of good reasons, the biggest being coach Thad Matta, who cut his teeth at Butler. Matta, understand, is one of those guys who not only gets excited about flossing his teeth, but inspires everybody else in the room to start flossing, too.
"And he does the best coach Keefer imitation I've ever heard," Oden said. "We were driving, I'm in the back seat laughing so hard, I'm crying. He has him down perfect."
(Note to future recruiters: Learn how to do impressions.)
Matta said Wednesday that NCAA rules don't allow him to comment on players until they've signed a national letter of intent. (At Ohio State these days, they do everything by the book -- the NCAA rulebook.) But it's fair to assume, the Dom Perignon was flowing.
"I don't drink," Matta told Oden recently, "but if you guys tell me you're coming, I'm popping open a bottle of champagne."
There were some other good reasons Oden chose to go beyond the Indiana state borders.
For one, Ohio State is just far enough away from home to ensure that Mom won't be around every day, but it's close enough, just in case.
And then there was Conley's influence. All throughout this process, Conley has whispered in Oden's ear -- mostly because he's looking at a four-year commitment, rather than one or two.
Oden said IU was in his Final Four, but Bloomington never completely appealed to Conley. First, Conley said Wednesday he wasn't enamored with the Hoosiers' style of play, an assessment shared by a whole lot of folks. Second, Keefer felt Conley was put off by the number of guards Mike Davis recruited.
"Hey, I'm an Indiana coach, and I even made the point of taking Greg back down to IU a couple of weeks ago to give him one last look," Keefer said. "Nothing against Ohio State, but I wanted Mike (Davis) to understand I wasn't the one making the decision. But, you look at a lot of the other kids who've left the state, they've gone elsewhere and done very well for themselves."
Was it IU's coaching instability? That might have factored into Conley's decision, but it had no resonance with Oden, who doesn't figure to be a college lifer.
Whatever the reasons, it's still a terrible punch to the gut for Davis, who needs to have an absolutely magical year to keep his job.
He needed to get Oden.
And he lost him to a coach who would have taken the IU or Purdue jobs in a heartbeat had those schools made him an offer before last season.
So it was another in a long line of lousy days for college basketball in Indiana. The good news is that an accomplished young man made a sage decision, and did it for all the right reasons. He may wear scarlet and gray down the road, but in the end, he's still one of ours.
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Want to see the primary cog in Ohio State’s ridiculous recruiting class? Scout.com has video of the nation’s No. 1 player, Greg Oden.
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