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Despite being a big 2nd Amendment guy, I've never fired or owned a gun. However, on the 18th that changes as I'm going to take an Ohio concealed carry class and will be purchasing a gun shortly after.

Already have seen some good advice on here, but any additional info would be appreciated on gun recommendations for a novice who is looking to purchase one primarily for home protection, but who may want to become an active member at the firing ranges if I like it--my brother-in-law is a licensed officer and chief of security for a major steel company and has been getting on me for some time to get a gun and join him on the range.
 
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It's hard to beat a shotgun for home protection. Especially for a novice. They are devestating at close range and you just have to get the shot in the ballpark, generally. A CCW is a slightly different beast, and it really comes down to, much like any tool, how do you intend to use it. Things that should come in to play as you choose your weapon are: reliability, concealabilty, comfort, ease of use, stopping power, capacity, and ultimately, how comfortable you feel shooting it as well as how accurately you shoot it. Many gun dealers will have a range and allow you to test fire a weapon if you want to try it out. I would never buy a gun that I hadn't fired. Meaning, if I were interested in purchasing a 1911 based solely of of specs, I would want to fire a 1911 as part of a requisite to purchase. Perhaps a friend's, relative's, whatever, but figure out what you like before you buy it. There is likely no gun out there that is going to meet every single one of your criteria, but there are many good guns out there that will fit many if not most. Keep in mind, like anything else, there is usually a trade off somewhere.
 
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A shotgun may be good for the man of the house, but most women would be terrified after firing a 12 gauge just once. Something like an AR15 clone is much less intimidating if more complicated. Or a pistol.
Muck has lots of great knowledge on AR15 clones and guns in general. He's the "go to guy" here.
 
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buckeyegrad;2252416; said:
Despite being a big 2nd Amendment guy, I've never fired or owned a gun. However, on the 18th that changes as I'm going to take an Ohio concealed carry class and will be purchasing a gun shortly after.

Already have seen some good advice on here, but any additional info would be appreciated on gun recommendations for a novice who is looking to purchase one primarily for home protection, but who may want to become an active member at the firing ranges if I like it--my brother-in-law is a licensed officer and chief of security for a major steel company and has been getting on me for some time to get a gun and join him on the range.


1 - You are taking gun ownership very responsibly. I am also a 2nd Amendment guy, but I also believe with that right comes significant responsibility.

2 - As someone stated above, for home protection its hard to beat a shotgun. I would suggest either a pump or a semi-auto. Probably something in the Mossberg line since they specialize in these types. If it were me, for home defense Id get a 12 gauge pump loaded w 00B. 00B basically gives you 12 .32 bullets per shot. Why a pump? Because personally I really don't want to shoot anyone, and I believe just the sound of racking a pump shotgun is enough to make anyone stop and re-evaluate what they are doing.
 
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Taosman;2252460; said:
A shotgun may be good for the man of the house, but most women would be terrified after firing a 12 gauge just once. Something like an AR15 clone is much less intimidating if more complicated. Or a pistol.
Muck has lots of great knowledge on AR15 clones and guns in general. He's the "go to guy" here.


Agree on the 12 gauge recoil. My fiancee weighs less than 110 lbs - a 12 gauge would have put her on her behind. I taught her to shoot with a .410 semi auto. Easy peezy.
 
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NewYorkBuck;2252462; said:
1 - You are taking gun ownership very responsibly. I am also a 2nd Amendment guy, but I also believe with that right comes significant responsibility.

2 - As someone stated above, for home protection its hard to beat a shotgun. I would suggest either a pump or a semi-auto. Probably something in the Mossberg line since they specialize in these types. If it were me, for home defense Id get a 12 gauge pump loaded w 00B. 00B basically gives you 12 .32 bullets per shot. Why a pump? Because personally I really don't want to shoot anyone, and I believe just the sound of racking a pump shotgun is enough to make anyone stop and re-evaluate what they are doing.

Unless the intruder is really stupid or has a death wish, this is very true. I have a .40 Glock 23 I still haven't fired. Maybe this Spring I'll finally get to see what it's all about.
 
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Best Home Protection:

Trained German Shephard.

Good with kids, wives, families. Bad with intruders.

Even better when they are trained to be home protection.

And you get to think up really cute/cool names.

Great dogs adopt the children as their own and woe be unto the person who tries to hard them.
 
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There are so many factors to consider its impossible for anyone here to tell you whats right for you. One issue is also the size of your home. if you have small rooms and a narrow hallway a regular fulllength shotgun may be unwieldy. I assume a sawed off is a little too much for a first gun so I would recommend a medium sized pistol with a fairly large clip just incase. I have a 9mm that I love but that might be a little large for CC depending on how you wanna wear it. I bought my wife a .38 special with a soft leather holster that fits on the INSIDE of your pants waist band, it packs a pretty good punch and hides pretty well.

I agree on the dog comments as well. I have one dog and half a dozen guns, I have never pulled a gun on someone in my own home, my dog has however thwarted a serious home invasion and likely prevented the attempt of a few more. (I have a Saint Bernard/Rottweiler mix.) She is awesome with my 1 year old and my wife and has protected them both from people that may or may not have had bad intentions. She is so sweet and submissive I never would have expected her to make much of a guard dog other than a visual deterent but dogs are smart. When someone kicked down my front door she put the fear of god into them and they left empty handed, and when Ive gone out of town people that I asked to let her out for me have reported she is very defensive of the house when we arent home at least until she realizes they are friends.

So.. in summation :wink: I recommend getting the gun that fits both your comfort level and your intended use/environment/bank account. Until the time comes that you truely feel proficient with it I also recommend a nice BIG cuddly dog, the bigger and cuddlier the better.
 
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I know the old man has been researching & researching and is leaning towards a Glock 17 Gen 4

I want the 18 myself :wink2:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsXMb0GtS44"]Glock 18 - YouTube[/ame]

I shot for the first time 2 weekends ago.. we fired off Glock 9s, AK-47, 225, .357 revolver, and a rifle that was shooting 9mm. The AK was just awesome. The 225 was bad ass too. The Glock 9 didn't really have any punch to it, supposedly why the old man favors the 17.

I've begun my research, and pistol is the way I want to go for my first purchase, the S&W's look to be a very solid hand gun - but all this talk of shotguns has me thinking.
 
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buckeyegrad;2252416; said:
Despite being a big 2nd Amendment guy, I've never fired or owned a gun. However, on the 18th that changes as I'm going to take an Ohio concealed carry class and will be purchasing a gun shortly after.

Already have seen some good advice on here, but any additional info would be appreciated on gun recommendations for a novice who is looking to purchase one primarily for home protection, but who may want to become an active member at the firing ranges if I like it--my brother-in-law is a licensed officer and chief of security for a major steel company and has been getting on me for some time to get a gun and join him on the range.

Clinging to your guns and religion, I see. :lol:
 
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buckeyegrad;2252416; said:
Despite being a big 2nd Amendment guy, I've never fired or owned a gun. However, on the 18th that changes as I'm going to take an Ohio concealed carry class and will be purchasing a gun shortly after.

Already have seen some good advice on here, but any additional info would be appreciated on gun recommendations for a novice who is looking to purchase one primarily for home protection, but who may want to become an active member at the firing ranges if I like it--my brother-in-law is a licensed officer and chief of security for a major steel company and has been getting on me for some time to get a gun and join him on the range.

I say, fuck it.. walk around with a six-gun strapped to your waist :biggrin:
 
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A tactical shotgun or shotgun specifically designed for home defense is your best option. If cost is a concern, the Mossberg 88 is a great firearm. Most tactical shotguns come with a shortened barrel. How short the barrel is depends on your state laws. Most states require an 18" minimum. Shotguns specifically designed for CQC may have additional features such as a pistol grip, foregrip, rails, etc.

If you have others living in your home, I do not suggest 00 ammunition. You want a round that is not going to pass through walls. Practice/target ammo is a great choice. 8 shot.

Many ranges offer CQC courses. Up until recently I went to a shoothouse a couple of times per month. Great fun.
 
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- Pretty much all modern handguns are accurate & reliable.

Go to a range that will let you try before you buy and get a feel for a number of different brands/models. It won't take long until you find the one that fits you.

- All the common calibers (9mm, .40, .45) are available in modern JHP loadings that are capable of meeting the generally accepted criteria for effectiveness (ie reliably penetrate more than 12" in ballistic gelatin).

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That just brings us back back to the beginning first point, try a number of handguns and you'll find the one that feels comfortable. If it's 9mm and your buddy swears you need a .45, tell him to fuck off.

-All three primary firearm platforms (handguns, shotguns & rifles) will penetrate more layers of sheetrock than you have in your home. Remember the rule of thumb is that to be reliably effective a round needs to consistently penetrate at least 12" (and preferably upwards of 18") of ballistic gelatin which simulates the penetration necessary to disrupt vital organs in a human being.

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If a projectile is unable to penetrate 1/2" of gypsum plaster, how much damage is it going to cause to a human being? In short, not enough.

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Shotguns:
-Shot placement is just as important with a shotgun as it is when shooting single projectiles. At the average distance that home shootings take place (20') properly grouped buckshot is only going to be 3-4" across.

-There is no need for 12 gauge 3" magnum loads. It's a waste and is one of the prime causes of the too much recoil shotgun myth. 2 3/4" reduced recoil loads work fine, so do 20 gauge guns. #4 or #1 shot are the most commonly recommended for defense, just be sure to avoid bird shot. My just 'inside the back door' shotgun is a 16 gauge Ithaca 37 that small framed teenage girls have learned on with no difficulty whatsoever.

-A 'sawed off' barrel of less than 18" is illegal and will likely cause you to end up in federal pound me in the ass prison. The exception being if you've paid the NFA tax stamp & registered it as short-barreled shotgun with the ATF.

-"Tactical" is usually euphemism for black & expensive. For the most part you don't need the mall ninja stuff. Do you have need of an AN/PEQ-2 IR laser illuminator/designator? No? Then you probably don't need tactical rails all over the forend. A weapon light is VERY useful but you don't really need anything else hanging off of it.

-Handgun, rifle or shotgun is really a matter of taste. Just go with whichever you are more comfortable using. Yes a long gun might be a bit more awkward if you are moving around. That being said are you really going to be moving from room to room tactically clearing your house?

If you didn't immediately come up with an answer let me help...

No, you're not. You're going plop your ass in a nice defensive position with your family safely behind you. On the battlefield the defender has (almost) always had the advantage. Doorways (and other choke points) are called
fatal funnels for a reason. Take advantage of it.

-Purchasing a weapon is only the beginning. Learn how to use it safely & build up the muscle memory necessary to use it effectively. That means shoot, shoot, shoot.

-Your weapon is only part of the picture. Do you have a plan on what to do if someone does attempt to enter your home? No? Why the hell not? Why doesn't your family know the plan? Why don't you practice it regularly?

-Finally if you wood forbid you are forced to shoot someone be prepared to go to court. You may not be face legal charges for defending yourself but there's always a chance you'll be sued either by the criminal (if he survives) or his family (if he doesn't). When that attorney holds up your weapon in court what exactly will the people who see it think it says about you? Are they likely to react differently to grand-pa's traditional shotgun than they will to your black uber tactical mall ninja rifle of death? Just something to think about.

Useful reads:
Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo
Defensive Shotgun Ammo
Shotgun Home Defense Ammo (Some of the specific load recommendations are a bit dated but still good info)
12 Gauge Wound Profile
.223 Drywall Penetration
Drywall Penetration: High Velocity Rifle Rounds
The Box O' Truth
Shotguns Meets The Box O' Truth
Rifles, Shotguns & Walls
Insulated Walls
Consider The 20 Gauge
20 Gauge Shotgun vs The Box O' Truth
 
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