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BRIEF OBSERVATIONS FROM C DECK - USC

jmorbitz;1541109; said:
Which pass? Which quarter? I want grainy pictures and inconclusive evidence, and I want it now! At least a DVR still shot.
:lol: This one:

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jwinslow;1541097; said:
wonderful. Can you see the defender behind the lineman? I mean, with your x-ray vision (needed to see his knee), you should be able to notice that he's hitting him back...

and he wasn't there when Stafon crossed the goalline. His body is twisted post-hit in the pixelated, unclear pictures circulating around the web.

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But someone said it best last night, we're not cryami fans.

His kneee is very visible in the pic, that or #71 has a huge growth on his left ankle that needs physician attention.

Does it sound like whining, yeah it does. But goddamnit this needed to be reviewed. Especially since he is obviously not in and down by contact.
 
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His yellow knee pad is nowhere in this shot. It's a different moment, after Stafon's body is shoved down and rotated slightly by the collision at the goalline. The ball was shoved back and out upon impact.

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Yet in yours, his knee pad is below his leg.


It should have been reviewed, but it was not conclusive evidence to reverse a call.
 
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jwinslow;1541126; said:
His yellow knee pad is nowhere in this shot. It's a different moment, after Stafon's body is shoved down and rotated slightly by the collision at the goalline. The ball was shoved back and out upon impact.

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Yet in yours, his knee pad is below his leg.


It should have been reviewed, but it was not conclusive evidence to reverse a call.

Well its not my image, I was at the game and deleted it from my DVR as soon as I got home I was so pissed.

Stills don't do the play justice. I would like to watch it on youtube or something, because to me he looks down.
 
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First: Looks like Jwins wins this one to me... USC 4 plays 2 yards TD.. it is what it is .... TP shouldn't have thrown the pass that set it up...

Second: If you really want to complain about "what should have been" then think about Tresselball... Ohio State lost 6 points (at least) because of NOT playing Tressel ball

Ball back with 1:44 or so to go in the half, up 10-7. Tressel ball = run out the clock... and SC had NO time outs left... First down, pass... second down run.... third down pass.... Punt... SC almost scores a TD (Some folks think that they actually DID (grainy pics aside, of course), but gets FG. Played aggressive non-tresselball = 3 points USC

Up 15-10 with just under 9:00 to play, Ohio State stalling on the 35 or so. Run the ball up the gut, try the long FG? Tresselball would..... No.... Pryor drops back to pass.. sacked.... out of FG range (BB73 and I still think he shoulda kicked...). Punt. SC goes on 6 minute drive to win the game.

I guess my point in all this is - there's a lot of reasons Ohio State didn't win... Sanzo catches that pass in the EZ 99 times out of 100 (I guess it would have been called back anyway..)

How about Duron Carter being completely UNCOVERED on the first play of the last drive (after SC's TD and two pt conv.) Not simply uncovered.. completely and totaly alone... Pryor threw it away to the other side and got called for grounding (Bad call, from where I was sitting)... If Pryor throws it to Carter, we'd be talking about how OSU left SC too much time to score again (as it would have been about 1:35 left).

Anyway... It was a great game to witness... let's not make it about some bullshit missed call or missed review or whatever.

It's a game of inches... it always has been.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1540736; said:
Don't want to steal Bucky Katt's thunder on this topic, but he was apparently offered a trade by a USC fan - Our Stadium for their Coach.... it was made in a good natured way (All the SC fans I came across were pretty cool, I must say... I suppose when you fly 7 hours to Columbus from LA, you're not here to start shit but instead because you love your team... I can respect that) and says quite a lot about how that guy felt about the atmosphere we created.

True story.

And thanks for stealing my thunder, jackass. :pissed:
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1541165; said:
First: Looks like Jwins wins this one to me... USC 4 plays 2 yards TD.. it is what it is .... TP shouldn't have thrown the pass that set it up...

Second: If you really want to complain about "what should have been" then think about Tresselball... Ohio State lost 6 points (at least) because of NOT playing Tressel ball

Ball back with 1:44 or so to go in the half, up 10-7. Tressel ball = run out the clock... and SC had NO time outs left... First down, pass... second down run.... third down pass.... Punt... SC almost scores a TD (Some folks think that they actually DID (grainy pics aside, of course), but gets FG. Played aggressive non-tresselball = 3 points USC

Up 15-10 with just under 9:00 to play, Ohio State stalling on the 35 or so. Run the ball up the gut, try the long FG? Tresselball would..... No.... Pryor drops back to pass.. sacked.... out of FG range (BB73 and I still think he shoulda kicked...). Punt. SC goes on 6 minute drive to win the game.

I guess my point in all this is - there's a lot of reasons Ohio State didn't win... Sanzo catches that pass in the EZ 99 times out of 100 (I guess it would have been called back anyway..)

How about Duron Carter being completely UNCOVERED on the first play of the last drive (after SC's TD and two pt conv.) Not simply uncovered.. completely and totaly alone... Pryor threw it away to the other side and got called for grounding (Bad call, from where I was sitting)... If Pryor throws it to Carter, we'd be talking about how OSU left SC too much time to score again (as it would have been about 1:35 left).

Anyway... It was a great game to witness... let's not make it about some bullshit missed call or missed review or whatever.

It's a game of inches... it always has been.

Not to mention the inches that Grant Schwartz came within of blocking that punt when he came totally uncovered. That is the one play that I wish more than anything that we could have back.
 
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BengalsAndBucks;1541351; said:
Not to mention the inches that Grant Schwartz came within of blocking that punt when he came totally uncovered. That is the one play that I wish more than anything that we could have back.
yeah, I mean.. I appreciate the fact that he took an angle which would not risk him getting 15 yards for roughing if he missed, but dag... it looked like he could have simply tackled the punter before the kick as quick as he was there.

Game of inches....

Heck of an effort
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1541416; said:
yeah, I mean.. I appreciate the fact that he took an angle which would not risk him getting 15 yards for roughing if he missed, but dag... it looked like he could have simply tackled the punter before the kick as quick as he was there.

Game of inches....

Heck of an effort


Or even stopped and stood in front of the punter with his hands up.
 
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1. Great game by both teams, and (unfortunately) reminiscent of the 1975, 1980, and 1985 Rose Bowls, all of which were won by USC.

2. Before the game, I felt that Ohio State simply did not have the talent to match up with Southern Cal, but I was wrong. Despite all of the hype concerning the Trojans, the teams were evenly matched, and they basically played an even game. Ohio State still has a few weak spots, but they almost beat (and really should have beaten) arguably the best and most talented team in the country. The Buckeyes showed especially strong along the defensive line, which was thought to be a relative weakness last season; right now, the talent and depth at that position is just amazing, and if Gibson and Heyward return for the 2010 season, it could be ridiculous next year.

3. Are the Buckeyes still in the hunt for a national championship? You bet. This week, Ohio State showed more in its loss than most other teams showed in their respective wins. If the Buckeyes win out - and they will if they play at the same level as they did Saturday night - then it will be difficult to find two better teams for a BCS title game contest. But in order to impress the voters enough to move back to the top of the polls, Ohio State will need to win every game in impressive fashion - in other words, no more efforts like we saw in week one against Navy. And of course, they will need some help along the way, as an undefeated SEC or Big 12 team, as well as a one-loss USC team, get in ahead of Ohio State.

However, talk of a national championship is premature. This Buckeye team is still relatively young, and it is quite possible that they will trip themselves up once or twice more, especially with road games to Happy Valley and Ann Arbor. Regardless of what happens during the remainder of this season, I firmly believe that 2010 will be their year.

4. "Football is a game of inches." Josh Winslow and others have noted several times when this maxim held true to the detriment of Ohio State - USC's first touchdown run, Boom Herron being stopped just short of the goal line, Grant Schwartz missing a blocked punt, Duron Carter nearly snagging a pass in triple coverage, and so on and so forth. But to be fair, a few inches here and there also cost Southern Cal some points - if a field goal attempt is a few inches longer, if a punt snap is a few inches lower, if Damian William's foot is a few inches to the left, then USC might well have had seven more points and given up five less.

5. Prior to the game, most people gave Ohio State no chance to win, and those who did give the Buckeyes a shot thought that Terrelle Pryor would have to be the difference maker ... meaning that Pryor would have to have a Vince Young type performance against the Trojans. Well, Terrelle did not have that kind of game and he was not the difference maker, at least not in a positive way for Ohio State. Granted, Southern Cal is competition at the highest level, but Pryor played his worst game as a Buckeye ... and yet Ohio State nearly won the game. And that fact actually bodes well for Ohio State's future, because they have talent at every position, and they will not need to rely on just one player to carry the team.

But will Terrelle Pryor every be able to carry this team? Some players are "naturals", and they become true superstars from the moment that they buckle their chinstraps - Hopalong Cassady, Archie Griffin, Chris Spielman, Orlando Pace, Andy Katzenmoyer, Maurice Clarett - but most players need a couple of years to learn the college game and adjust to the increased level of talent around them. Ohio State's last two Heisman winners - Eddie George and Troy Smith - both looked like busts early in their careers, and the same thing could be said for countless others as well.

In most cases, players will make steady progress over time and gradually reach their peaks. Sometimes, however, a great player will have very little success until he has his break-out game. Troy Smith, for example, had his epiphany against Michigan in 2004, when he accounted for 386 yards of total offense and three touchdowns. Before that game, however, Smith's career totals (in 23 games, plus a red-shirt season) were 66 rushes for 208 yards (3.15 average) and one touchdown; and 55 completions in 99 attempts (.556 percentage) for 655 yards, 6 touchdowns, and 3 interceptions ... hardly numbers that would indicate that greatness was on the horizon. Then, out of the blue, against a heavily-favored Michigan squad, Troy rushes 18 times for 145 yards (8.05 average) and a touchdown; and completes 13 of 23 passes for 241 yards and 2 touchdowns. And ironically, Troy's break-out performance occurred the week after his worst game as a Buckeye, when he threw three interceptions and lost a fumble in the red zone during a loss to an unranked Purdue team.

Although Terrelle Pryor has shown some improvement during his short Buckeye career, he still doesn't seem quite comfortable out on the field - he seems to be "pressing", and that is causing him to make both physical and mental mistakes. Perhaps Pryor is in need of a break-out game, where everything comes together at once, and after that there will be no looking back.

6. Then again, how much improvement should we expect from Pryor after just fifteen games in college? Five of the most successful college quarterbacks in recent memory - Michael Vick, Vince Young, Troy Smith, Colt McCoy, and Sam Bradford - each had a red-shirt season as a freshman; Terrelle Pryor did not have that luxury, and was instead named the starting quarterback in week four of his true freshman season. Here's how Pryor stacks up against those other star quarterbacks, as well as Tim Tebow who played as a true freshman, after their first fifteen games:

Player.......Comp....Att....Pct....Yards....TD....INT....Rush....Yards....Avg....TD
Vick..........121....214....56.5%...2313....16.....7.....149......1014....6.81...14
Young.........109....186....58.6%...1458.....9.....7.....157......1103....7.03...11
Smith...........2......5....40.0%.....29.....1.....0.......8........21....2.63....0
McCoy.........264....389....67.9%...3032....32....11......80.......215....2.69....2
Bradford......254....363....70.0%...3304....38.....8......31........93....3.00....0
Tebow..........35.....50....70.0%....658.....8.....1......97.......597....6.16....9
Pryor.........125....211....59.2%...1662....13.....6.....155.......697....4.50....7


At the fifteen-game mark, Pryor compares most favorably with Young, and somewhat less so with Vick who had more big plays in the passing game to go along with better rushing numbers. McCoy and Bradford both had far better passing numbers, but each played in a pass-happy offense that helped to pad their stats. And before we get too deeply into the numbers, remember that Vick, Young, McCoy, and Bradford all had the benefit of a red-shirt year to learn the offense and to get physcially, mentally, and emotionally prepared for the college game.

Even after his red-shirt season, Troy Smith was much more slow to develop than Terrelle Pryor. Early in his career, Smith was a back-up return man, and he didn't really get an opportunity to play significant minutes at quarterback until his 19th game, and didn't have his break-out performance until his 24th game (and his 38th game in the program, counting his red-shirt year).

Tebow was a "gimmick" player who saw limited action in 14 games as a true freshman, and he did not emerge as a franchise quarterback until his sophomore year. Tebow did not red-shirt, but at least he had the benefit of playing behind an established senior quarterback (Chris Leak) for an entire season, whereas Pryor was forced into the starting role when the Buckeyes' sixth-year senior quarterback (Todd Boeckman) came unglued during last year's contest with Southern Cal.

So, can we make any predictions on Terrelle Pryor's future based on the comparisons set forth above? No, but I think that we can conclusively say that (1) Pryor is on pace or ahead of the pace of at least half of the six superstar quarterbacks profiled above, and (2) Pryor would have benefitted greatly from a red-shirt year, or at least an entire season as a back-up quarterback to an established veteran.

7. Except on two occasions, I have not seen Jim Tressel look comfortable calling a big game - he almost always calls an "uptight" plays, and seems afraid to "hang loose" for fear of blowing the game with a risky call. The first exception occurred in the 2001 Outback Bowl - after Ohio State got down 28-0, Tressel was basically forced to open up the offense, and lo and behold, the Buckeyes tied the game in the fourth quarter before falling to a last-second field goal. The second exception was the 2006 Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame - after hearing endless commentary on the offensive genius of Charlie Weis, I think that JT literally said (more or less), "Screw it - I'm going to show that pompous ass a thing or two about offensive play calling" ... and 617 yards later, I think that he proved his point. If only we could find some way to trigger that response from Tressel every week....
 
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