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Sorry Stx. It's as if some Evil was at work.
 
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Taosman;1468047; said:
"Brainwashing" has only truly one real definition. And it's the one of pure evil and anti-American values. That's what we're discussing here. American values. That's what Jake is saying. But, you knew that didn't you? :tongue2:
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in⋅doc⋅tri⋅nate

  /ɪnˈdɒk
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trəˌneɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-dok-truh-neyt] Show IPA ?verb (used with object), -nat⋅ed, -nat⋅ing. 1. to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view. 2. to teach or inculcate. 3. to imbue with learning.

Origin:
1620?30; in- 2 + ML doctrīnātus ptp. of doctrīnāre to teach; see doctrine, -ate 1
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Related forms:
in⋅doc⋅tri⋅na⋅tion, noun
in⋅doc⋅tri⋅na⋅tor, noun

Synonyms:
1. brainwash, propagandize.

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brain⋅wash⋅ing

  /ˈbreɪnˌwɒʃ
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ɪŋ, -ˌwɔ
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ʃɪŋ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [breyn-wosh-ing, -waw-shing] Show IPA ?noun 1. a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, esp. through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques. 2. any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, esp. one based on repetition or confusion: brainwashing by TV commercials. 3. an instance of subjecting or being subjected to such techniques: efforts to halt the brainwashing of captive audiences.

Also, brain-washing, brain washing.

Origin:
1945?50; brain + washing
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Obviously, the blanket statement,
"Brainwashing" has only truly one real definition.
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is patently incorrect. While your ideal of it may be the most "popular" one it definitely isn't the only one.

It all depends on the methods and intent no matter how much you might wish to white wash the idea.
 
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Jake;1467855; said:
It takes many forms, and they're all bad. People who take advantage of children in this manner, programming them before their young brains are capable of intellectually challenging what they are told, are criminals in my mind. Unfortunately, if anything, this practice is increasing as kids are turned into robots spouting what they've been told by their leaders about religion, politics, and those around them.
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This is why I've become extremely interested in elementary school curriculae. Such a fragile time.

OCBuckWife;1467940; said:
Doesn't matter where, when, who, or why, but HATE is created.
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What is the root IYO?

MaxBuck;1468090; said:
Given that children do not a priori, in the absence of parental (or other external) influence, have any "basic convictions and attitudes" that can be replaced with an "alternative set of fixed beliefs," I fail to see how true brainwashing is feasible with children.


IMO, when people discuss "brainwashing" in connection with kids, it really is code language for "inculcating beliefs that I do not agree with." But really, if a parent does not indoctrinate her beliefs with her own kids, she's a poor excuse for a parent, again IMO. In the words of Bob Dylan, you gotta serve somebody.
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Very thought-provoking post. :thumbsup:
 
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muffler dragon;1469614; said:
What is the root IYO?
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Aww...look at you up there in your icon, indoctrinating like a good parent! :biggrin:


What is the root of hate? Good question.

I tend to think it is equal amounts of ignorance(not stupidity, just not knowing any other opinion and not being interested in knowing any other opinion) and fear.

Some examples of possibilities of fear could fear of change and the instability that can come of it(loss of a comfort zone, sort of), fear of loss of "power" in the case of a "ruling elite" perhaps, even maybe a fear of discovery. Those who yell loudest against something can often be found to be guilty of the transgression themselves, for example.
 
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OCBuckWife;1469719; said:
Aww...look at you up there in your icon, indoctrinating like a good parent! :biggrin:
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I thought about playing Hang On Sloopy while the boy was in utero, but my wife's belly had already been taking a massive whoopin'. :banger:

OCBW said:
What is the root of hate? Good question.

I tend to think it is equal amounts of ignorance(not stupidity, just not knowing any other opinion and not being interested in knowing any other opinion) and fear.

Some examples of possibilities of fear could fear of change and the instability that can come of it(loss of a comfort zone, sort of), fear of loss of "power" in the case of a "ruling elite" perhaps, even maybe a fear of discovery. Those who yell loudest against something can often be found to be guilty of the transgression themselves, for example.
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I would tend to agree.

Continuing on in this vein, then would you have any rhetorical suggestions on how the non-hating society could help eradicate/suppress the hate that parents attempt to instill in their children?

Personally, I just don't know about that line and how far it can be crossed (if at all). I know that as soon as the expressions of another impact my family directly; then I am free to take action. However, if it never reaches or impacts my family; then is there anything that can be done?

This thread has given me a fair amount of pause. This topic of hate, Jake's initial OP, and Max's posts have really made me consider.

Good stuff.
 
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muffler dragon;1470313; said:
Continuing on in this vein, then would you have any rhetorical suggestions on how the non-hating society could help eradicate/suppress the hate that parents attempt to instill in their children?

Personally, I just don't know about that line and how far it can be crossed (if at all). I know that as soon as the expressions of another impact my family directly; then I am free to take action. However, if it never reaches or impacts my family; then is there anything that can be done?
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I would agree here. I would be hard-pressed to even rhetorically suggest ways to force parents to desist teaching their own children their own private values without becoming hypocritical about my own or sliding down a lubricated hill.

As I said earlier, regardless of how odious a Klan members values are to me, they are his or her values and no one has a right to tell them not to pass them on.

The best thing would be for some kind of passive education or learning through experience and interaction with whatever the fear arises from.
But as I also mentioned, ignorance comes not only from not knowing but from not being interested in knowing. No amount of "education" will help if someone just doesn't pay attention or care enough to try.
 
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I'm greatly in favor of brainwashing children for a couple of reasons. 1. It's a hell of a lot easier than teaching them to think critically and independently. 2. Who the hell wants to deal with a kid with a mind of it's own? Fuck that. I want kids who do what I tell them.

All in all, even the best-behaved kid's going to be a pain in the ass, why on earth would I want to give them the capabilities to think on their own and fight back against me?
 
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Taosman;1472041; said:
"A&E" channel has been playing "Jesus Camp". A documentary on the now closed "Kids on Fire", Evangelical Camp. It's worth a watch if you can catch it. Supposedly, even some of the churches did not like the heavy handed, brainwashing of young children to be "warriors for Jesus".

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It isn't as if BOTH sides do that right?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY]YouTube - Militant BLACK Obama Youth Group: Let's SCARE the SHIT out of WHITE Grandma?[/ame]
 
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