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Brady "XLLL" Hoke (Head Coach San Diego State)

Coop did a lot more than just not destroy the program. I think that Earle was a great coach. But, what he was not the best at, in my opinion anyway, was recruiting. That's not to say he didn't get his share of studs, and the recruiting game was certainly different then, but... Earle could turn a 2 star kid into a 5 star stud much more consistently than Coop (which is to say, ever).

Coop, and again - his other failing aside - was able to change Ohio State's recruiting and get more talent into Ohio State than his predecessor. Coop had some really good teams in 93, 95, 96 and 98 in particular. Earle probably would have done better on the field with those players, but it was Coop who was able to get them here in the first place. I don't think David Boston comes to Ohio State under Earle, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

I don't know...

Cooper couldn't beat Michigan and he did need to go, but he sometimes gets a worse rap than I think he deserves.
Great post. I tend to think of Cooper as a bridge between the era of Woody and Earle, and JT. He couldn't get over the hump with scUM and some of the bowls, but he really did bring Ohio State back to the national stage.
 
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While you guys are right, that Coop didn't destroy the program, he did destroy my will to live for over a decade. With the exception of the Rose Bowl in 1997, which I had the good fortune to attend, the rest of the period is mostly a bad memory for me. Don't get me wrong, I like Coop. And I loved the great talented players we had during that era. But the thought of going back to routinely losing to TSUN and other big games and considering ties as the greatest victories of all time would make me want to drive off a cliff into a pool of bright orange lava. Sorry.
 
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Coop did a lot more than just not destroy the program. I think that Earle was a great coach. But, what he was not the best at, in my opinion anyway, was recruiting. That's not to say he didn't get his share of studs, and the recruiting game was certainly different then, but... Earle could turn a 2 star kid into a 5 star stud much more consistently than Coop (which is to say, ever).

Coop, and again - his other failing aside - was able to change Ohio State's recruiting and get more talent into Ohio State than his predecessor. Coop had some really good teams in 93, 95, 96 and 98 in particular. Earle probably would have done better on the field with those players, but it was Coop who was able to get them here in the first place. I don't think David Boston comes to Ohio State under Earle, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

I don't know...

Cooper couldn't beat Michigan and he did need to go, but he sometimes gets a worse rap than I think he deserves.
Problem is, he was the anti-Earle...he could recruit like hell but sometimes it seems he couldn't coach for shit. :lol: Now part of that is that the talent won a lot of games in and of itself. The problem is that Cooper's recruiting took a slight dip in the late 90s (meaning, guys who hit their primes from 1999-2001), and his coaching couldn't overcome that. If you are going to say Boston doesn't come to OSU if Earle was there, I could easily counter with I don't think there's a prayer in hell that the 2002 team wins the NC with Cooper as the coach, despite the fact that he basically brought them all here.

I met him a few times, he is a decent man, a nice man, he knows how to relate to kids, he knows the game of football...but it takes a special edge to succeed at a place like Ohio State when it's all on the line in rivalry and bowl games. Unfortunately he didn't have it.
 
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Without Cooper coming in and revamping the program and its recruiting, who knows where Ohio State football is right now. Had he just gone .500 against scUM, we're putting him on the pantheon as a program saver perhaps seen in the same light Tress was pre-TatGate.
True...but he wasn't a good enough coach to do that, which was the problem. I do agree that he breathed life into what had become a somewhat moribund program at the time though...imagine what would happen if we lost a bunch of games to Indiana and a 3-8 team like Wisconsin nowadays.
 
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While you guys are right, that Coop didn't destroy the program, he did destroy my will to live for over a decade. With the exception of the Rose Bowl in 1997, which I had the good fortune to attend, the rest of the period is mostly a bad memory for me. Don't get me wrong, I like Coop. And I loved the great talented players we had during that era. But the thought of going back to routinely losing to TSUN and other big games and considering ties as the greatest victories of all time would make me want to drive off a cliff into a pool of bright orange lava. Sorry.
That's the thing about Cooper, he drives one nuts because you can both love him and hate him at the same time...he got some of the best talent we've ever had, hell beating ND twice, at that time, was one of the greatest things ever to happen here...and then you think of LLLLLoyd and that fucking smirk on his face every year. Fucking. Smirk. Every. Fucking. Year. God I hated that fucker. And by proxy, I hated Cooper for losing to that fucker. But for a lot of other things, he was good for this place.
 
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The Mack Brown-Coop comparison is an apt one, in my IMO. Both guys won a ton of games, but struggled mightily with their chief rival. Both fell of harshly before being forced out. Two differences, one that was noted, Coop never found that magical QB that could almost single-handidly overcome his coach's deficiencies. Coop really only had two QBs worth noting over his tenure (Hoying/Germaine), so I'd say a big part of his struggles might have been his inability to properly recruit a big-time player at the game's most important position. That, and Mack actually won a lot of bowl games...Coop's issues extended into the postseason. Thus, "pulling a Cooper"...fast start, followed by losing to tsun and the bowl game.
 
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While you guys are right, that Coop didn't destroy the program, he did destroy my will to live for over a decade. With the exception of the Rose Bowl in 1997, which I had the good fortune to attend, the rest of the period is mostly a bad memory for me. Don't get me wrong, I like Coop. And I loved the great talented players we had during that era. But the thought of going back to routinely losing to TSUN and other big games and considering ties as the greatest victories of all time would make me want to drive off a cliff into a pool of bright orange lava. Sorry.

He came to power during my formative years and quite simply ruined me as a sports fan. I am incapable of feeling joy during games. When something good does happen, there is a brief moment of elation followed by a stark descent back into the dreadful angst of waiting for the inevitable cleat to the jewels. I didn't have to turn out this way. John Cooper is a son-of-a-bitch and destroyer of dreams.
 
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He came to power during my formative years and quite simply ruined me as a sports fan. I am incapable of feeling joy during games. When something good does happen, there is a brief moment of elation followed by a stark descent back into the dreadful angst of waiting for the inevitable cleat to the jewels. I didn't have to turn out this way. John Cooper is a son-of-a-bitch and destroyer of dreams.
One of my first memories of my fandom, is the goddamned Liberty Bowl against AFA. I remember being so excited about the game. Then...well. No thirteen year old should be forced to sit through three hours of dreck with a "WTF" look frozen on his face. That was traumatic. Then the friggin' pedtard debacle in '94. scUM in '95 crushed me. Crushed me again in '96. The final straw for me was MSU in '98. What in the blue fuck was that? I was in Spain at the time in support of Operation Desert Fox and was listening on AFN radio. That same "WTF?" look was frozen on my face for two weeks following that bullshit. That was supposed to be the year all of the hell of the previous 10 years was made right. FUCK.
 
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He should be able to walk into a Columbus bar with a "Hey! At least I wasn't Bob Davie, Gary Gibbs, Mike DuBose or Bill Callahan!" T-shirt and have people buy as many rounds as he wants.
 
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This is all well and good, and certainly a nice discussion.......why the hell are you wasting it in that fat, soon to be unemployed, Fred Flintstone-wannabe currently mumbling about his cheesy bread up north's thread?
Because it shows the contrast between our semi-dottery uncle who was never quite as good as we hoped he'd be and their guys who lather themselves up in peanut butter and stream midgit porn while wearing their grandma's underwear?
 
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Problem is, he was the anti-Earle...he could recruit like hell but sometimes it seems he couldn't coach for [Mark May]. :lol: Now part of that is that the talent won a lot of games in and of itself. The problem is that Cooper's recruiting took a slight dip in the late 90s (meaning, guys who hit their primes from 1999-2001), and his coaching couldn't overcome that. If you are going to say Boston doesn't come to OSU if Earle was there, I could easily counter with I don't think there's a prayer in hell that the 2002 team wins the NC with Cooper as the coach, despite the fact that he basically brought them all here.

I met him a few times, he is a decent man, a nice man, he knows how to relate to kids, he knows the game of football...but it takes a special edge to succeed at a place like Ohio State when it's all on the line in rivalry and bowl games. Unfortunately he didn't have it.
I would not disagree.
 
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