Boise St -18.5 at Toledo (ov/un 58.5) Fri 8 ET, ESPN

[MaxBuck]

... watching #4 struggle against Toledo (and let's be real, they DID struggle) ...

What channel was the game on that you watched? I think we saw different games. :)

 

[powerlifter]

Not homerism in my IMO.

I don't know about you guys, but watching #4 struggle against Toledo (and let's be real, they DID struggle) makes me feel much better about last weeks game. This team has great potential, especially once we get the tat 4 back.

I really don't see how that makes you feel better about last week's game. Toledo's offense isn't bad at all. They so deserve some credit. Toledo does have some athletes who can score points. They could put up points against anyone(but not win). 40-15 isn't a struggling win.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

I don't know about you guys, but watching #4 struggle against Toledo (and let's be real, they DID struggle) makes me feel much better about last weeks game. This team has great potential, especially once we get the tat 4 back.

Except for Kellen Moore's eleventy bazillion yards passing.

 

[jwinslow]

What channel was the game on that you watched? I think we saw different games. :)

Coverage and pursuit were two very different animals. The td alone at least opens the door for that criticism.

I have no why he brought up the suspensions though. They won't help the defense much if at all.

This defense needs Moeller to shake the rust off. All of the safeties made some mistakes, but Tyler got blocked out of the play - and just flat out missed - as often as their mistakes combined.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Dropped TD catch, two lost fumbles deep in BSU territory, and one BSU TD reception where the ball bounced back into the receiver's hand after it hit the defender's helmet. That's a max of a 28-point swing (TD catch made, the two lost fumbles now UT TDs, and the BSU TD drive getting zero points on a missed FG), and a minumum of a 19-point swing (TD catch, lost fumbles now FGs, and the BSU TD now a FG). Toledo had 350 yards or so of offense despite their mistakes. Not to mention two missed tackles on that early BSU long running TD. Could've easily been a very close game on the scoreboard...and should've been.

 

[DiaBuckeye]

What channel was the game on that you watched? I think we saw different games. :)

Really? Were you perhaps using the restroom during the many obvious blown opportunities Toledo had throughout the game?

I really don't see how that makes you feel better about last week's game. Toledo's offense isn't bad at all. They so deserve some credit. Toledo does have some athletes who can score points. They could put up points against anyone(but not win). 40-15 isn't a struggling win.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone, including you apparently, look at 40-15 and think "blowout win". But I see a possible, even probable 28 point difference in this game if Toledo has their head on straight. What would that have made the final score of this game? And what was the score of tOSU Toledo last week? That's why I feel slightly better about our poor outing.

I have no why he brought up the suspensions though. They won't help the defense much if at all.

I wasn't saying that getting our suspended players back would help our defense much. I was saying that it would help our team. And it will. A lot.

Dropped TD catch, two lost fumbles deep in BSU territory, and one BSU TD reception where the ball bounced back into the receiver's hand after it hit the defender's helmet. That's a max of a 28-point swing (TD catch made, the two lost fumbles now UT TDs, and the BSU TD drive getting zero points on a missed FG), and a minumum of a 19-point swing (TD catch, lost fumbles now FGs, and the BSU TD now a FG). Toledo had 350 yards or so of offense despite their mistakes. Not to mention two missed tackles on that early BSU long running TD. Could've easily been a very close game on the scoreboard...and should've been.

Thanks for breaking it down for them further than I cared to on an iPad.

 

[DubCoffman62]

Dropped TD catch, two lost fumbles deep in BSU territory, and one BSU TD reception where the ball bounced back into the receiver's hand after it hit the defender's helmet. That's a max of a 28-point swing (TD catch made, the two lost fumbles now UT TDs, and the BSU TD drive getting zero points on a missed FG), and a minumum of a 19-point swing (TD catch, lost fumbles now FGs, and the BSU TD now a FG). Toledo had 350 yards or so of offense despite their mistakes. Not to mention two missed tackles on that early BSU long running TD. Could've easily been a very close game on the scoreboard...and should've been.

Maybe but you could probably say that same thing about every game ever played. I remember talking to an Illini fan after watching them get beat 49-17 in the Rose Bowl and after listening to him I was almost convinced that it was a close game.

 

[billmac91]

Boise competes week in and week out because of coaching. I can't even imagine the the Boise coaching staff with the talent level of an Ohio State, Florida, etc...

The way the motion players to exploit mis-matches, the pre-snap information they gather, and how well coached their QB's are is simply outstanding.

You just watch a simple 4th and 1 play where the motion a receiver across the formation to see where LB's move, the CB in man (not shocking on a 4th and 1) but then the pitch outside right where the OLB was before the shift.

I think Boise maximizes the solid talent they have, and they go into just about every game with a coaching advantage.

It's impressive.

 

[DiaBuckeye]

Maybe but you could probably say that same thing about every game ever played. I remember talking to an Illini fan after watching them get beat 49-17 in the Rose Bowl and after listening to him I was almost convinced that it was a close game.

With all un-due respect to the Illini, they didn't turn the ball over multiple times inside their opponents 10 yard line and drop a wide open, perfectly thrown TD.

 

[DubCoffman62]

Boise competes week in and week out because of coaching. I can't even imagine the the Boise coaching staff with the talent level of an Ohio State, Florida, etc...

The way the motion players to exploit mis-matches, the pre-snap information they gather, and how well coached their QB's are is simply outstanding.

You just watch a simple 4th and 1 play where the motion a receiver across the formation to see where LB's move, the CB in man (not shocking on a 4th and 1) but then the pitch outside right where the OLB was before the shift.

I think Boise maximizes the solid talent they have, and they go into just about every game with a coaching advantage.

It's impressive.

I just checked their recruiting classes, since 2006 they've had 1 4 star recruit, a DE the rest are all 2-3 stars or unranked. Another thing, it hasn't just been Petersen, Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins had success there too and after they left they were mediocre coaches. It has to be that the athletic department as a whole is outstanding, at least with the football program.

 

[jlb1705]

Dropped TD catch, two lost fumbles deep in BSU territory, and one BSU TD reception where the ball bounced back into the receiver's hand after it hit the defender's helmet. That's a max of a 28-point swing (TD catch made, the two lost fumbles now UT TDs, and the BSU TD drive getting zero points on a missed FG), and a minumum of a 19-point swing (TD catch, lost fumbles now FGs, and the BSU TD now a FG). Toledo had 350 yards or so of offense despite their mistakes. Not to mention two missed tackles on that early BSU long running TD. Could've easily been a very close game on the scoreboard...and should've been.

That's a ton of mistakes. They made a ton of mistakes against Ohio State too in the form of penalties, a missed FG and a punt return allowed. It's the very definition of a team that just isn't that good. With that many mistakes they didn't deserve to be in a close game against Boise State, and they wouldn't have deserved it against Ohio State either if not for the Buckeyes' own crippling mistakes and tepid play.

 

[billmac91]

I just checked their recruiting classes, since 2006 they've had 1 4 star recruit, a DE the rest are all 2-3 stars or unranked. Another thing, it hasn't just been Petersen, Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins had success there too and after they left they were mediocre coaches. It has to be that the athletic department as a whole is outstanding, at least with the football program.

Dan Hawkins was awful in Colorado. But Peterson was his OC at Boise and took the reigns over when Hawkins left.

I think Peterson is a stud and I think he finds ways to exploit the defense. I was just impressed with the amount of movement they forced the defense into and then abused the weakness on the field.

It's things you don't see too much on the college level, that he does on just about every play. The deep throw in the first half when they motioned the tight-end to the flat, cleared the cornerback in zone, and left a speed receiver on a safety was another example of exploiting the defense. Kellen Moore gathered the pre-snap information, knew exactly where the ball was going, looked the safety on the other-side of the field off, and dropped a dime for an easy TD.

There's a reason Kellen Moore puts upt he numbers he does...it's impressive.

 

[DubCoffman62]

Dan Hawkins was awful in Colorado. But Peterson was his OC at Boise and took the reigns over when Hawkins left.

I think Peterson is a stud and I think he finds ways to exploit the defense. I was just impressed with the amount of movement they forced the defense into and then abused the weakness on the field.

It's things you don't see too much on the college level, that he does on just about every play. The deep throw in the first half when they motioned the tight-end to the flat, cleared the cornerback in zone, and left a speed receiver on a safety was another example of exploiting the defense. Kellen Moore gathered the pre-snap information, knew exactly where the ball was going, looked the safety on the other-side of the field off, and dropped a dime for an easy TD.

There's a reason Kellen Moore puts upt he numbers he does...it's impressive.

What's impressive is how you're able to regonize those things. Most of us slobs just sit it our recliner shouting "he missed the tag!".

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Maybe but you could probably say that same thing about every game ever played. I remember talking to an Illini fan after watching them get beat 49-17 in the Rose Bowl and after listening to him I was almost convinced that it was a close game.

The problem there is you were listening to an Illini fan...

 

[Muck]

The problem there is you were listening to an Illini fan...

...and apparently it was THE KID.