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Big Ten Conference Divisions

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Of course they should be in the same division. They will play every year regardless and even though Michigan is down right now there is still a good possibility that they will be two of the best teams in the conference in the future. The whole point should be to try to diminish the chance of a rematch not try to create it.

If this happens and one team is having a good season and the other a bad it ruins the rivalry. The Penn State game then becomes more important for Ohio State and the Nebraska or Wisconsin game becomes more important for Michigan.

If Michigan is having a great season sure Ohio State might be able to ruin a chance at the National Championship, but the game will have little bearing on the conference championship game. The games against the above two teams would be more important for that.

The east west split is the best way to go, almost all rivalries are maintained and you can just rotate through the other half of the conference to fill out the schedule. The point being that the two teams that would meet in the championship would be less likely to play each other before hand most years.

If the belief is that the top six are Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska and Penn State; well you have three and three that are going to want to play each other every year. It just makes since with current rivalries and geography that they would like to play one another, just let them do it. Rotate them with the others the rest of the time, don't have a situation where two of the best teams will play each other outside their division every year creating the possibility of a rematch many years.

The last thing that I have to say about this issue is that rivalry week is great and I look forward to it every year. Naively I thought that adding Nebraska would finally fix the Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota problem. Make the Axe the permanent game and give Iowa Nebraska which is sure to be a great one, instead this shit happens.

In short this decision is just stupid.
 
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I'm pretty strongly against OSU & Mich in opposite divisions. All of this talk of monetizing assets and all that is great, but at some point this could end up as a story of killing the goose that laid the golden eggs. If they try to squeeze even more out of the best rivalry in sports, they may kill it in the end. Hopefully Delaney and his buddies are doing some qualitative analysis along with the quantitative.
 
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Buckeye737;1751331; said:
I'm pretty strongly against OSU & Mich in the same division. All of this talk of monetizing assets and all that is great, but at some point this could end up as a story of killing the goose that laid the golden eggs. If they try to squeeze even more out of the best rivalry in sports, they may kill it in the end. Hopefully Delaney and his buddies are doing some qualitative analysis along with the quantitative.
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How is putting Ohio State and Michigan in the same division going to be squeezing "even more out of the best rivalry in sports"?

The way I see it, if they're in the same division, they play every year, at the end of the season, and everything continues as is. We'll see a lot of seasons where The Game is between a 10-1 team and a 7-4 team. One team may have clinched the division, and the other team is just hoping for a New Year's Day bowl. We already see that situation a lot, and The Game is still big. Huge. We'll also see a lot of times where they're tied, and the winner goes to the championship game. That's probably what everyone in and out of the Big Ten wants to see. Then the winner goes and plays for the championship.

However, if you stick them in different divisions, and try to appease everyone by protecting the rivalry, anyway, I think you run into more problems. Mainly, the re-match issue will weaken the rivalry. If they continue to play at the end of the year, there will be times when they know that they will have a re-match the following week. Sure, both teams will say that it's still a big game. But can you imagine if one team wins on the road by 3, then they go and play again at a neutral field, and that team loses? Who has bragging rights? I hate that one game will be more important than the other one, just because it's labeled so. They say that they can keep the game as big by moving it to October. LAME!!! Ohio State and Michigan play at the end of November. Stop poking that!!!

I know re-matches will happen. At least make the re-matches be games that aren't so meaningful. Diminish the Iowa-Michigan game, or even Ohio State-Penn State. Not Ohio State-Michigan. LAME!!!
 
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OHSportsFan9 said:
Sign me up for the East-West alignment that has been thrown around.

If I had to break the conference in half (obviously based on the bread winner, football), the top 6 would be- Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa

The bottom other 6- Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan State, Northwestern.

3 of the top go to the East- Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State
3 of the top go to the West- Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa

Then, 3 of the bottom to the East- Indiana, Purdue, Michigan State
And 3 to the West- Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota

Works geographically. Football-wise that's as good as it gets to me. Basketball- the East is pretty stacked (OSU, MSU, Purdue...Indiana?). West is weak (Wisc, Illinois...Minnesota?). Moving one or the other makes it unbalanced either way. Rivalries are all there, except for the Illibuck and...anything else missing?

Am I missing why this seems so simple to me?
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if they play divisions in basketball that would be ugly...
 
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Zurp;1751484; said:
How is putting Ohio State and Michigan in the same division going to be squeezing "even more out of the best rivalry in sports"?

The way I see it, if they're in the same division, they play every year, at the end of the season, and everything continues as is. We'll see a lot of seasons where The Game is between a 10-1 team and a 7-4 team. One team may have clinched the division, and the other team is just hoping for a New Year's Day bowl. We already see that situation a lot, and The Game is still big. Huge. We'll also see a lot of times where they're tied, and the winner goes to the championship game. That's probably what everyone in and out of the Big Ten wants to see. Then the winner goes and plays for the championship.

However, if you stick them in different divisions, and try to appease everyone by protecting the rivalry, anyway, I think you run into more problems. Mainly, the re-match issue will weaken the rivalry. If they continue to play at the end of the year, there will be times when they know that they will have a re-match the following week. Sure, both teams will say that it's still a big game. But can you imagine if one team wins on the road by 3, then they go and play again at a neutral field, and that team loses? Who has bragging rights? I hate that one game will be more important than the other one, just because it's labeled so. They say that they can keep the game as big by moving it to October. LAME!!! Ohio State and Michigan play at the end of November. Stop poking that!!!

I know re-matches will happen. At least make the re-matches be games that aren't so meaningful. Diminish the Iowa-Michigan game, or even Ohio State-Penn State. Not Ohio State-Michigan. LAME!!!
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I screwed up my original post actually. I meant to say that about OSU/Mich being in opposite divisions. It's killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

I agree with everything you mentioned. It's a huge game regardless now, and putting them in opposite divisions will only make it big when they are both competitive, not to mention the lameness of a rematch.
 
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I hope "The Game" will remain as it is, end of season, regardless of division. I'll get over the back-to-back games if it happens. The first time would be great to watch. I'm a Spartan Fan and would enjoy it. Each year I never know which way I'm pulling as your game goes on.

What I cant find the answer to, is why do we not play a "Round Robin" ?
MSU plays 2 games that can be replaced with Indiana and Ohio State.
The additional game against Nebraska would replace our yearly MAC game. We'd have one out of conference game each year, (Notre Dame in most cases). It seems to me this would make sense. This also drives me nuts in B-ball.




























































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Last regular season game must remain tOSU v. tsun!!

Am I hearing correctly that the B10 is ready to discard 75 years of tradition? What?!

The proposal to not have the Buckeyes and tsun play their last game of the season against each other should be met with massive outrage. This is because the chance of the two teams meeting twice might make the B10 a few more bucks??

Maybe I'm in the wrong thread, but such abandonment of meaningful tradition should be upsetting the entire Buckeye Planet! Even the weasels up north should be mad about this!!

What's goin' on? (Even Marvin is turning in his grave.)

M*ch*g*n Week in the middle of the season? Are you frickin' kidding me??

Can anything be done? Someone please tell me this is a nasty rumor founded on hearsay and innuendo with no basis in truth! No jokes, please. This is not funny.
 
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CalvinistBuck;1751839; said:
Am I hearing correctly that the B10 is ready to discard 75 years of tradition? What?!

The proposal to not have the Buckeyes and tsun play their last game of the season against each other should be met with massive outrage. This is because the chance of the two teams meeting twice might make the B10 a few more bucks??

Maybe I'm in the wrong thread, but such abandonment of meaningful tradition should be upsetting the entire Buckeye Planet! Even the weasels up north should be mad about this!!

What's goin' on? (Even Marvin is turning in his grave.)

M*ch*g*n Week in the middle of the season? Are you frickin' kidding me??

Can anything be done? Someone please tell me this is a nasty rumor founded on hearsay and innuendo with no basis in truth! No jokes, please. This is not funny.
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I agree 100%..
 
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CalvinistBuck;1751839; said:
Even the weasels up north should be mad about this!!
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Yeah it would suck. Imagine if both teams split for the year. Sure one team would get the big ten championship. However, bragging rights also make it special. The winning team basically has bragging rights until they play again. They should only play once a year and should be each team's 12th game on the schedule. If you don't agree, you can fuck off. You also deserve a roundhouse kick to the face by Chuck Norris.
 
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zwem;1751880; said:
Yeah it would suck. Imagine if both teams split for the year. Sure one team would get the big ten championship. However, bragging rights also make it special. The winning team basically has bragging rights until they play again. They should only play once a year and should be each team's 12th game on the schedule. If you don't agree, you can [censored] off. You also deserve a roundhouse kick to the face by Chuck Norris.
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Splitting would suck. I would much rather have m*ch*g*n week back-to-back than to move The Game up in the schedule.
 
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