Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Muck]

Mondays In The Humidor w/ Big Cigar

Big Cigar (BC) is a Texas booster with legitimate contacts within the program.

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JS: Anything else you want to add?

BC: I continue to laugh at all the surprised chatter with respect to OU and realignment. I told you to watch for Boren taking the lead on this issue, and the instability it would cause. Of course the Okies called bullshit, so now it's good to get a laugh at their expense. Boren is under tremendous pressure to not appear to be Texas? little brother and this pressure caused him to run his mouth which ended up making the whole school look foolish. I'm told the California schools had a mild revolt at the thought of taking OU and OSU to begin with. Boren should have continued to let Joe C do the talking and back-channel partnering with Texas. The partnership was going to lead to some really cool things for both schools but Boren has probably spent all of that goodwill.

Now not only do the Okies have no place to go, but their relationship with Texas is strained when it didn?t have to be.

As for Texas, they're partnered with Notre Dame long term now, when OU should have been part of the equation. Short term, the Longhorn strategy is to hold the Big 12 together until LHN gets established and then go superconference. If another Big 12 school goes loony and blows the thing up, then B1G is a likely option with indie in football close behind as the other sports join the ACC. I've been told the groundwork for both scenarios has already been done. We have a lot of options and are as confident as ever. We just need one major carrier to grab the LHN and we can write our own ticket if we couldn't already.

Barking Carnival also has another article summarizing what's led us to where we are. It's definitely full of pro Texas spin & there is some silly Husker bashing (anyone who honestly things Nebraska joined the B1G so they go partial qualifier crazy is an idiot) but it is an interesting read all in all.

Realignmentality

Oh & there's this...

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Big Ten – They stayed quiet this time around but did see possible future targets in Pittsburgh and Syracuse move to the ACC. There are some unsubstantiated rumors about discussions between the Big Ten, Texas, and Notre Dame, but certainly not enough to rely on at this point. The thing that makes me most likely to believe this rumor is the fact that the Big Ten has been almost too quiet, as has Notre Dame. Meanwhile, Texas has been the quietest of the Big 12 schools involved. When institutions of this magnitude are keeping quiet in the face of this much activity, I get suspicious. Of course, that’s just how some people do business. Or don’t do business. Your guess is as good as mine.

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[bassbuckeye07]

Muck looks like this coincides with what that purple wildcat nerd had been saying

 

[Muck]

Muck looks like this coincides with what that purple wildcat nerd had been saying

I'm sure the movers & shakers in both groups (UT & B1G) have been in contact at various points...I still don't think that means they've engineered a secret plan to manipulate ever other major entity into doing exactly is needed so that the 'Horns can start play in the league in 2014 due solely to the actions those other parties have been maneuvered into without realizing what was happening.

 

[cincibuck]

I've seen more than enough of Texas. Between LHN and in state politics it's like making a partnership with cancer. We'll join, but we want it all our way and you have to drop your soap and bend over. No thank you.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I've seen more than enough of Texas. Between LHN and in state politics it's like making a partnership with cancer. We'll join, but we want it all our way and you have to drop your soap and bend over. No thank you.

They are a rougue elephant....majestic and beautiful with large tusks and a loud trumpit.....but very tempermental and engages in lower male dominant behavior when not necessary.....The Big Ten has several large big balled alpha elephants as well....but distinguished refined and slow to anger that do not tolerate other rogue males imposing on the pride....order and tolerance are the way of the big ten....some just dont fit

 

[MaxBuck]

I've seen more than enough of Texas. Between LHN and in state politics it's like making a partnership with cancer. We'll join, but we want it all our way and you have to drop your soap and bend over. No thank you.

Tejas would be a huge boon to the B1G from every possible perspective - media market, sports excellence, academic excellence. It would be foolish to reject them if the contract could be worked out to everyone's satisfaction. And Jim Delany is not foolish.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Regardless what you think of Texas, they are a quality educational institution. If a marriage between the B1G and Texas would result in more money for both, it could very well happen. Making more money "makes strange bedfellows" and will soothe over any hard feelings any other B1G member has real fast. Everyone concerned would be laughing together all the way to the bank. It's all about the money.

With NCAA conference realignment and TV contracts: "Greed is good".

 

[Muck]

In Waco...

 

[Gaffords]

Yep. The big problems the rest of the Big-Remainders conference has with the LHN really boil down to two things, and neither one is the revenue stream. That was known from the beginning. In order of importance:

1. The showing of high school content Which, as has been pointed out, means they can quietly assure recruits that although they can't broadcast the whole game, that now they can put together a weekly highlight reel showcasing their recruits.
   
   That means Texas gets ALL the revenue from that game, and pretty much that game will be unavailable in the opponent's (non-Texas) home viewing area.

Two things to touch here is that even though the NCAA said highlights were okay, the LHN has not moved on it. It is more of a fight to get the NCAA to set up specific bylaws instead of the general rules established.

Right now, the Sun station (not the same I know) has a segment that shows Florida recruits and the School shopping them. It is called "Future Phenoms". It is up to the NCAA to establish the rules... So far they have said HS football highlights will be tolerated. There haven't been any aired as of yet...

Second, The Kansas Jayhawk Network WILL be airing the UT/KU game. It was a win/win for both schools.
http://www.kuathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/090211aaa.html

 

[Saw31]

All this "fear" of Texas is just dumb. Look at their situation. They are carrying a conference full of dead weight. TOSU or M*ch*g*n put in the same situation, wouldn't let KSU or Baylor ride our coat tails either. We'd be cashing out in each and every way we could. The B1G doesn't have dead weight. Texas would play nice because they understand and want this. Add ND and Texas and we are the supernovaconference...

 

[Mike80]

All this "fear" of Texas is just dumb. Look at their situation. They are carrying a conference full of dead weight. TOSU or M*ch*g*n put in the same situation, wouldn't let KSU or Baylor ride our coat tails either. We'd be cashing out in each and every way we could. The B1G doesn't have dead weight. Texas would play nice because they understand and want this. Add ND and Texas and we are the supernovaconference...

And once you get those two, you can take your pick of the litter from the ACC if you wish (like say UVA and Duke or UNC or something)....just because...

 

[Gaffords]

All this "fear" of Texas is just dumb. Look at their situation. They are carrying a conference full of dead weight. TOSU or M*ch*g*n put in the same situation, wouldn't let KSU or Baylor ride our coat tails either. We'd be cashing out in each and every way we could. The B1G doesn't have dead weight. Texas would play nice because they understand and want this. Add ND and Texas and we are the supernovaconference...

It isn't the problem of carrying the conference, most have done better than expected, according to USA Today

I'm going to take this even one step further and show how the programs would have been effected had the Big XII shared ALL of it's revenue equally, basically the way the Pac 12 will (if I'm not mistaken). Since Baylor doesn't have to contribute their numbers, we'll just pretend they don't exist (that's easy to do if you're not trying to SECede).

Had the revenue been evenly divided 11 ways, the average take home per school would have been about $72.7 million (roughly a $12.1 million annual pay out). Here's how much each program would have gained or lost via equal revenue sharing...

1. Kansas - $91.4 million -$18.7 million
2. Nebraska - $82.2 million -$9.5 million
3. Mobilhoma - $79.7 million -$7.2 million
4. Texas - $76.2 million -$3.5 million
5. Okie Lite - $74.9 million -$2.2 million
6. Mizzou - $73.9 million -$1.2 million
7. Kansas State - $69.8 million +$2.9 million
8. A&M - $69.2 million +$3.5 million
9. Iowa State - $67.9 million +$4.8 million
10. Tech - $57.3 million +$15.4 million
11. Colorado - $56.7 million +$16 million

http://content.usatoday.com/_common/_fragments/_modal/ncaa/ncaa-modal-search.htm

Last year:
Alabama=$29,500,000.00
Florida=$28,500,000.00
Mich=$19,750,000.00 (might want to ask why they are holding out on 'other' broadcast rights.lol)
tOSU=$26,000,000.00
USC=$21,000,000.00

Kansas=$19,000,000.00
Missouri=$14,500,000.00
OkU=$13,800,000.00 (made little off website but hold t-3 rights for Sooner Vision)
OkSt=$18,000,000.00
ISU=$14,000,000.00
T.A&M=$12,000,000.00 (holding t-3 rights for A&M network they are still working on)
Nebraska=$15,000,000.00

Texas=$15,000,000.00 (made little off website, but held t-3 rights for LHN)

Now, take the moral issues out of the equation. Texas and Oklahoma should make around 18 million next year (all schools) off the new FOX contract that goes into effect. Add in the 11 million (15-4 that goes back to IMG). And the two schools have found a way to compete with the top earners in the other Conferences. This keeps us in place. Even if we surrendered all our rights, and started a B12 network, the numbers fall well short of what the BTN/PAC networks and below what the SEC schools make. The day either OU or UT figures out they cannot compete money wise inside the B12 compared to somewhere else, then you will see them actually looking to move to a new home.

And until some of our other teams start commanding respect Nationally on a consistent basis, the money isn't going to be there so our mid schools will be bailing like rats any time they can make more money somewhere else.

Right now, the fans are wanting to go back to 12 teams. The problem what three teams do you add that will increase money? You think we are evil now, let the B12 add teams that cut into profit, and it will be because Texas. Brought in weak teams because they don't want to compete.

Good news, to an extent, I think BYU will be added next week (doesn't help with academics any. But I am not sure if there are a couple of other teams that would induce the look in clause and rewrite our contracts.

Funny thing is if the BIG 12 collapses, the rumors about the B1G would be what I consider the direction Texas would take as a backup. Academics is as much a part of the School as sports.

Oh in case you missed it, here is the latest MS Paint thread.
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/sho...esents-quot-Messin-With-Aggy-quot-IN-MS-PAINT

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Regardless what you think of Texas, they are a quality educational institution. If a marriage between the B1G and Texas would result in more money for both, it could very well happen. Making more money "makes strange bedfellows" and will soothe over any hard feelings any other B1G member has real fast. Everyone concerned would be laughing together all the way to the bank. It's all about the money.

With NCAA conference realignment and TV contracts: "Greed is good".

If somehow the profits of the LHN get put into the B1G revenue sharing and everyone gets equal portions, not only Ohio State getting revenue from the LHN but Texas would get revenue from the Big Ten network, I think it could work. I don't know if that would happen.

 

[OSU_D/]

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/sho...esents-quot-Messin-With-Aggy-quot-IN-MS-PAINT

F'ing Awesome!!!!!! Definitely NSFW.

Oh in case you missed it, here is the latest MS Paint thread.
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/sho...esents-quot-Messin-With-Aggy-quot-IN-MS-PAINT

You're about 5 pages too late.

In that thread people kept referencing the MS Paint of the Nebraska visit, so I had to check that one out....

http://prevailandride.blogspot.com/2010/10/nebraska-crapshirts.html

Freaking hilarious.

 

[Muck]

I'm going to take this even one step further and show how the programs would have been effected had the Big XII shared ALL of it's revenue equally, basically the way the Pac 12 will (if I'm not mistaken). Since Baylor doesn't have to contribute their numbers, we'll just pretend they don't exist (that's easy to do if you're not trying to SECede).

Had the revenue been evenly divided 11 ways, the average take home per school would have been about $72.7 million (roughly a $12.1 million annual pay out). Here's how much each program would have gained or lost via equal revenue sharing...

1. Kansas - $91.4 million -$18.7 million
2. Nebraska - $82.2 million -$9.5 million
3. Mobilhoma - $79.7 million -$7.2 million
4. Texas - $76.2 million -$3.5 million
5. Okie Lite - $74.9 million -$2.2 million
6. Mizzou - $73.9 million -$1.2 million
7. Kansas State - $69.8 million +$2.9 million
8. A&M - $69.2 million +$3.5 million
9. Iowa State - $67.9 million +$4.8 million
10. Tech - $57.3 million +$15.4 million
11. Colorado - $56.7 million +$16 million

*Realizes something doesn't look right, rechecks the numbers; shakes head, laughs and moves on*