Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Colvinnl]

quite false. They'd make more, they just want the biggest cut or "more"

We are their backup plan, if the conference dies (which I agree it could)...they can simply go the backup plan.

they arent welcome on these terms, and threw up a Texas sized red flag for any future consideration in the conference.

Their only option after this may be the sec, which a huge loss in their book regardless of revenue or football .
they cashed in, but they mortgaged their future if this conference doesn't last, which is likely given their last two tries.

I think the Big 10 would take them on the Big 10's terms in a heartbeat. They might just have to grovel a little bit. That is too much money for the Big 10 to pass up.

 

[jwinslow]

I think the Big 10 would take them on the Big 10's terms in a heartbeat. They might just have to grovel a little bit. That is too much money for the Big 10 to pass up.

Last week I would agree with you, but now Texas' word is worth dirt. They tried to pull a fast one after months (years?) of negotiating.

The big ten isn't going to play games, especially when this expansion decision is literally worth billions just for athletics, let alone the academic side.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

In this age of making conclusory reactions to conclusory soundbites, I have a question....

Did Texas cancel it's board of regents meeting set for today? Did any school cancel their BOR meetings?

 

[Buck 'em up]

I think the blame in the whole Big 12 staying around thing falls equally on the other 9 teams left, including Oklahoma. These teams bent over grabbed their ankles and told Texas, "If you stay you can do whatever you want." The whole situation is ridiculous and now there are rumors floating around that the NCAA will allow the Big 12-minus 2 and Pac-10-plus 1 to have championship games. Um, the folks at the Big 10 should be up in arms about this. I don't know how aggressively they pursued it in the past, but I know they wanted that championship game and were always told you had to have 12.

Initially I wanted Texas to come to the Big 10, now I don't want that money-grubbing university anywhere near my conference. The ruined the SWC and I still feel they will ruin the Big 12 "officially" before too much longer. I am really hoping the Big 10 grabs Mizzou now just to screw Texas even more.
:osu2::osu2:

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Anyone think Tejas might be "floating" a story to see what kind of reaction they'd be getting? I mean, we're to believe Delany was floating ideas a couple of years ago just to see how expansion would be perceived... why not Tejas?

 

[brutus2002]

Well the funniest part is Texas just took a big ol shit in their own backyard...they fucked their own conference. IMO their fucking retarded. Yes they have a nice deal but down the road the B10 will have alot more to offer and IMO we should tell them to fuck off. Tell them they can stick their lonestar straight up their asses.

Why did they think screwing their conference over would help them. Losing Nebraska is a huge blow. Now the Big12 is no better than the 3rd best conference. Nebraska and Colorado were the only 2 schools in the North that had any lon lasting football tradition. They just helped their conference become diluted...Their viewership will only get worse. Nebraska has more viewers than both the schools they will add multiplied by 5. Traditional football fans watch Nebrska play...I always did when they played Colorado or another bigtime school.

If money was the objective Texas fucked themselves...if improving their conference...texas fucked themselves...overall Texas showed that they are bigger assholes than ND...that is very hard to do.

 

[cincibuck]

No, I wasn't serious about an OSU Network - at least not for the most part.

I do like that the Big Ten has a "one for all and all for one" mentality. I like that programs like OSU and Michigan are willing to share (much of) the wealth to maintain the health of the pond in which they swim. But I don't think it is complete altruism. OSU needs the Big Ten in a way that Texas may not need the Big XII.

Many are arguing that Texas will somehow "fail". I don't see how.

Their network might not work. Their financially out of balance 10 team Big XII may not last.

But Texas football will live on.

OSU is OSU largely because we have a virtual monopoly on talent from Ohio (due in no small part to tradition and our presence in the Big Ten).

Texas is Texas because they have a virtual monopoly on the top tier talent from a state that produces considerably more talented players than Ohio. I don't see that or the monetary value of Texas football changing anytime soon. Texas was thriving when Nebraska was struggling and they will thrive when Nebraska is gone.

To which I would add that if you can fill your 100+K stadium while playing the likes of Baylor, Texas Tech, SMU, Rice, Houston why wouldn't you? After all the Buckeyes had more than 100K to watch them play YSU, Ohio U and Kent in one season. Dumbing down the schedule is a means to becoming bowl eligible at the risk of an Appy state happening along the way. A reasonable bet to make, and at the end of the season Texas will still be Texas and Boise State will still be suspect.

 

[scott91575]

I have huge reservations about the reported money in the new B12 deal. It's all bullcrap coming from Beebe. Let's look at the reported money and how they could get it....

1) For Texas to get $20+ million, OU and A&M to get $20 million, and the rest to get $14-$17 million (as reported) they would need to more than double their current revenue. Not all of that is tv money, some of that is bowl money. We know the bowls are not changing the payout, so somehow they expect a company (I think it was reported as Fox would do it) to shell out a contract for more than what the SEC is getting per team. Unlikely.

2) Let's say they did get that deal, and it was done by Fox. If so. If I am a News Corp stockholder, I am asking for firings at the next shareholders meeting. Some random ahole execs are throwing around my money so they can save a football conference? It's clearly not a sound financial decision. Even if profitable, there was no need to spend that much. You could have had the SEC for that money. Instead you go and get a depleted B12?

3) Let's say there is private money involved. We are talking about an extra $100 million or more per year in money. Even Bill Gates would balk at that kind of cash on a yearly basis. For what, to save a football conference with a total of 15 years of history? Not only that, those promises were pulled together in a couple of weeks. Dubious at best.

4) The Texas television network will take time to get off the ground, and even then that is not enough to double revenues. Even with the B10 Network across multiple states the B10 did not double revenue from 2006 to 2010 (a nice jump though, from 14 to 22 million per team).

None of these reports makes financial sense. It's being reported as some back door dealings for crazy amounts of money. It's just not true. Beebe threw a bunch of numbers out of his ass, and the B12 teams bought it. Even the B10 and SEC did not increase revenues as much as Beebe is promising. He is full of it, and I am shocked the B12 teams bought into it.

 

[Piney]

None of these reports makes financial sense. It's being reported as some back door dealings for crazy amounts of money. It's just not true. Beebe threw a bunch of numbers out of his ass, and the B12 teams bought it. Even the B10 and SEC did not increase revenues as much as Beebe is promising. He is full of it, and I am shocked the B12 teams bought into it.

You are absolutely correct that it doesn't make financial sense regarding the product.

But the question is WHO is paying for it. First off it has to be ABC/ESPN due to the fact that the current contract is with ABC/ESPN, it isn't like they would be willingly ripping up the contract to let Fox take their rights. So the rest of this is based on ABC/ESPN providing the money.

So if you are ABC/ESPN, what is your biggest fear? To lose college football. Could they have known the PAC16 had a deal set with Fox and build their own network? You saw them overpay the SEC due to the fear of the BTN and didn't want the SEC to do the same thing. But this time they couldn't buy off the Pac10/16. (Could be some interesting game theory if Fox pushed the price up for the ACC in hopes that they couldn't have money left over for the PAC10)

So you are ABC/ESPN and the Pac16/Fox is going to gobble up your marketable Big12 teams. So you get Bebee on the phone and tell him whatever it takes we need to keep the Big XII together.

Just some crazy thoughts as the expansion high is starting to turn into a hangover and I am trying to find a way to get high again.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

They could pick any conference to go to and you think they are "losers?" They are rumored to get a guaranteed $20 million a year in the new contract. OSU gets what, $15 mill from theirs? If the Big 12 falls apart again they can go to the Big 10 or Pac 10 or SEC at the drop of a hat. If that counts as being a "loser" count me in.

I'm not so sure about that.

SEC: Texas has already made it clear (twice: first in 1993 and again now) that the SEC is unacceptable for both academic and athletic/recruiting standards issues. After the Mack Brown bonus and now this fiasco, I'm also not sure how much more shiite their faculty is willing to take before there is an open rebellion. These are not Otterbein faculty. If they want to leave UT, most have plenty of options out there.

Big 10: I'm pretty sure it was made clear to them that they get NO special treatment and have NO say in who may or may not come along with them. They are rumored to have tested the waters with Delany regarding a 7 game conference schedule and were immediately shot down. Is UT capable of truly swallowing its pride and coming into the league as an equal? Which, BTW, would mean folding Bevo TV into the BTN.

Pac 10: Well, maybe they are hopeless bitches. I, however, would think after the pr humiliation that they just suffered they would take a much harder (more Big Ten like) stance were Texas ever to come knocking again. The Pac 10 is already starting to leak the details of Texas' "11th hour" demands for special treatment after months of saying they understood how the P10 works and were willing to abide by those rules. Even if the league office were to forgive Texas and welcome them with open arms, it only takes ONE P10 school to veto the whole idea, and let's not forget that Colorado will have that veto power should Texas ever come knocking on the door again! How humiliating would it be to the UT ego to have to lobby and sweet talk Colorado into taking them back.

I'm not saying that Texas would have no options in the future. I just think they've played too many cards this time around and shown too much of their true colors that anyone would quickly welcome them with open arms. Let's face it, if the B12_2.0 implodes, that'll be 3 conferences that the Texas way has tanked. I think that, with the combination of not willing to stomach going to the SEC, not willing to accept B10 terms and having burned their bridges with the P10, Texas makes a stab at independence within ten years. They're just arrogant enough to try it.

 

[scott91575]

You are absolutely correct that it doesn't make financial sense regarding the product.

But the question is WHO is paying for it. First off it has to be ABC/ESPN due to the fact that the current contract is with ABC/ESPN, it isn't like they would be willingly ripping up the contract to let Fox take their rights. So the rest of this is based on ABC/ESPN providing the money.

So if you are ABC/ESPN, what is your biggest fear? To lose college football. Could they have known the PAC16 had a deal set with Fox and build their own network? You saw them overpay the SEC due to the fear of the BTN and didn't want the SEC to do the same thing. But this time they couldn't buy off the Pac10/16. (Could be some interesting game theory if Fox pushed the price up for the ACC in hopes that they couldn't have money left over for the PAC10)

So you are ABC/ESPN and the Pac16/Fox is going to gobble up your marketable Big12 teams. So you get Bebee on the phone and tell him whatever it takes we need to keep the Big XII together.

Just some crazy thoughts as the expansion high is starting to turn into a hangover and I am trying to find a way to get high again.

I used Fox as an example (there were some reports they were throwing out numbers....the B12 contract is almost over). You could change News Corp with Disney in my examples. Besides, all those same arguments existed when they did the SEC contract, and yet the B12 is going to beat that deal? It doesn't make sense, and anyone making those promises has shareholders to answer to. In the end, these deals are not made in a week and there is nothing done. It's Beebe relaying a bunch of crap. When it's said and done supply and demand takes over, and the demand for B12 football is no where near SEC or B10. Yet Beebe is promising that type of money. Unless he came up with some new business model, I just don't see it. All just a bunch of promises from people that were desperate to save their conference.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

The morning radio host here were bashing Texas for this conference and this deal, saying what everyone else is thinking, we are right back where we started with a house of cards created by Texas. They bashed them pretty good for basically demanding more money and its own TV network and creating the same hostile atmosphere that existed before in the Big 12.

Its also being reported that Texas and Co to the PAC-Man was a done deal, that Larry Scott is very hurt by what UT did, who knows if its true.

In the end I feel bad for UT's fans, they get to watch a buncha Juco's play their team and it will be very hard for them to make it to the BCS NC game.

In the end, I'll sit back and watch UT languish in the hell it created for itself and we'll be back here next year gossiping like school girls about who's doing what, and we'll be just as addicted :)

 

[JCOSU86]

65% of Massachussetts is Catholic

Eh, not quite

Massachusetts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• • Catholic - 44%
  • Protestant - 21%
    • General Protestant or other Protestant - 11%
    • Baptist - 4%
    • Congregational/United Church of Christ - 3%
    • Episcopal - 3%
  • General or non-denominational Christian - 3%
• Jewish - 2%
• Other - 7%
• No Religion - 16%
• Refused to answer - 7%

 

[Coqui]

Eh, not quite

Massachusetts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• • Catholic - 44%
  • Protestant - 21%
    • General Protestant or other Protestant - 11%
    • Baptist - 4%
    • Congregational/United Church of Christ - 3%
    • Episcopal - 3%
  • General or non-denominational Christian - 3%
• Jewish - 2%
• Other - 7%
• No Religion - 16%
• Refused to answer - 7%

83% of statistics are made up.

 

[zincfinger]

but they'll end up suffering when it comes to perception in football, outside of a truly marque game in the non-conference for them and OU, I don't see a way they make it to the national champion game. The conference is in the toilet.

Maybe, although Miami was able to rip through a weak big east schedule, augment it with a couple upper-end non-conference games, and play for national championships. Overall, I don't think SOS plays as a big a role in BCS voting as you're crediting it with. WVU used to be a perennial top 5 preseason, early season AP, and early BCS pick, largely because of, not despite, their weak schedule. Boise State will almost certainly get the same "weak schedule advantage" this year. I favor the play-a-tough-schedule-strategy, but I'm not sure this will hurt UTx's national championship prospects much, if at all.