Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[MaxBuck]

Purdue's reputation rests solely on engineering. Minnesota is a much stronger university overall. I'd put Crab Cake in our group and Rutgers in the one below us with Purdue, Sparty. Iowa and IU.

The MUP report is a solid snapshot of the depth and breadth of a university's quality undergraduate, grad, faculty, research and financial resources. And it clearly shows that we (and Minny) are easily equal to Wiscy and Illinois. Unfortunately, it also shows that tsun is clearly the top public and pretty much in it's own grouping.

mup.umass.edu/sites/default/files/mup-2015-top-american-research-universities-annual-report.pdf

You won't find me depreciating UM's academics.

Nor will you find me contributing toward any family member's tuition to attend the school.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

You won't find me depreciating UM's academics.

Nor will you find me contributing toward any family member's tuition to attend the school.

I will. Given that UM looks at out of state students as full-fare cash cows with a ridiculously high oos tuition that's the equal of elite private schools, I would absolutely send a kid to Ohio State, Wisconsin Illinois or Minnesota at a net cost of anywhere between a fifth and a half the cost over Michigan. Plus, it's almost always oos students who were bitch slapped by half a dozen private schools before ending up in Ann Arbor who are the smug, pompous tools that we love to hate.

 

[zincfinger]

Purdue's reputation rests solely on engineering. Minnesota is a much stronger university overall. I'd put Crab Cake in our group and Rutgers in the one below us with Purdue, Sparty. Iowa and IU.

The MUP report is a solid snapshot of the depth and breadth of a university's quality undergraduate, grad, faculty, research and financial resources. And it clearly shows that we (and Minny) are easily equal to Wiscy and Illinois. Unfortunately, it also shows that tsun is clearly the top public and pretty much in it's own grouping.

mup.umass.edu/sites/default/files/mup-2015-top-american-research-universities-annual-report.pdf

A couple of counter views. Purdue is explicitly an engineering school, so of course its reputation is based on engineering. I don't consider that a negative.

Regarding the UMass MUP that you cite, I think you place too much importance on federal research funding (and closely related factors, like number of doctoral degrees conferred) in determining institutional quality. Federal research funding is important, and I've lived in that world, but it's not the only thing that's important, and it can be misleading.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

A couple of counter views. Purdue is explicitly an engineering school, so of course its reputation is based on engineering. I don't consider that a negative.

Regarding the UMass MUP that you cite, I think you place too much importance on federal research funding (and closely related factors, like number of doctoral degrees conferred) in determining institutional quality. Federal research funding is important, and I've lived in that world, but it's not the only thing that's important, and it can be misleading.

Good points. Several of their metrics though do address other issues. Endowment and fundraising, faculty quality and undergraduate selectivity account for 5 of the 9 metrics. And if one wants to wade through the NRC doctoral program rankings, one also finds that we're quite competitive with Illinois and Wisconsin. Even when we lag them in some important indicators of quality, such as National Academy members, we're still clearly playing in that league. It's just that there are some areas where we're at the top of that pack (endowment, annual fundraising and median SAT score) and some where we need to do somewhat better such as being top 20 among all publics for academy members rather than top 10.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

@Ramzy woos @ORD_Buckeye in his latest:

ROOTS

Jim Delany is one of the most powerful figures in American sports, and there he was being absolutely tepid about his conference's flagship football program's championship aspirations. That's a political job he's held for 30 years now, and he chose the worst possible moment to abruptly become apolitical. It's offensive.

The Big Ten plays more conference games, does not have a Chickenshit Saturday arrangement in late November to clear any landmines and replace them with FCS layups for title contenders - and does not have a commissioner advocate for its best teams in most seasons - because that advocate does not care about anything except for the Rose Bowl.

Yes, the Buckeyes defense was not good this year either. We know. Everyone knows.

But Oklahoma's is and was objectively worse. The Big Ten had an opportunity to make a loud if not powerful case for its champion's inclusion in the playoff. Unfortunately, Delany's three-decade love affair with a dying tradition was the only priority that mattered.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

on the short bus

To this day, this phrase still makes me chuckle. The special needs kids at my elementary school were actually bussed to school on a short bus.

 

[JCOSU86]

To this day, this phrase still makes me chuckle. The special needs kids at my elementary school were actually bussed to school on a short bus.

I saw your girl several times while rewatching the 2014 Sugar Bowl. She is a keeper.

 

[colobuck79]

To this day, this phrase still makes me chuckle. The special needs kids at my elementary school were actually bussed to school on a short bus.

I remember seeing you as I looked out the bus window!

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

To this day, this phrase still makes me chuckle. The special needs kids at my elementary school were actually bussed to school on a short bus.

We moved to Cali towards the end of 5th grade, and the local school nearest our new house was overcapacity, so I had to finish 5th grade at a school further away. I went to the same bus stop that served the nearby school and waited for the short bus that collected the kids for the distant school. That was the spring that I really learned how to both take and throw a punch

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Looks like somebody might have had a come to Jesus moment with the conference Presidents and spit the Rose Bowl's cock out of his mouth.

 

[Jaxbuck]

We moved to Cali towards the end of 5th grade, and the local school nearest our new house was overcapacity, so I had to finish 5th grade at a school further away. I went to the same bus stop that served the nearby school and waited for the short bus that collected the kids for the distant school. That was the spring that I really learned how to both take and throw a punch

wait, wait, wait....you got into fights with the short bus kids?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

wait, wait, wait....you got into fights with the short bus kids?

Dude, I was the short bus kid. In a new town, with kids I'd never met before showing up at their bus stop to wait for the short bus that took me to my school. You're god damned right there were fights. For about seven weeks, this was my morning.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Dude, I was the short bus kid. In a new town, with kids I'd never met before showing up at their bus stop to wait for the short bus that took me to my school. You're god damned right there were fights. For about seven weeks, this was my morning.

oh, ok I got it

I was thinking you were getting into fights with the handicapped kids

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

oh, ok I got it

I was thinking you were getting into fights with the handicapped kids

No, the district used a short bus to take the kids that the closest school had no room for to the further school. It was Lord of the Flies, and I had to get into fights for a couple of weeks until things sorted themselves out. All was cool by the time Summer came around and then I ended up with them in 6th grade.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

You seized the conch.