Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[PlanetFrnd]

*runs off to UC boards to watch the meltdown*

went over to push things along

 

[Muck]

Who the hell would take Cincinnati?

I'm guessing maybe the MAC.

I'm sure some combination of the remaining teams will end up together (assuming SDSU & Boise will stay out west):

C-USA pt deux:
UCONN
Cincy
Memphis
Temple
Houston
Tulane
USF
UCF
SMU
Tulane
ECU?

Maybe try to poach a few more C-USA teams.

UConn & UC will probably end up in the New Big East (currently known as the ACC) once the B1G (& SEC, B12) finish poaching.

UC could always end up in the Big East replacement in BB & non-revenues & CUSA pt 2 in FB only.

went over to push things along

Scout or Bearcat News?

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

The ripples resulting from the B1G nudging the first domino (i.e. Nebraska) back in 2008/2009 have been utterly fascinating to watch.

 

[Muck]

The ripples resulting from the B1G nudging the first domino (i.e. Nebraska) back in 2008/2009 have been utterly fascinating to watch.

Agreed. That's the biggest part of the addiction for me. Watching how the administrators of various schools have reacted to the changing landscape publicly & then finding out what they were really doing behind closed doors has been a fantastic study of sociopolitics.

There are going to be some very interesting papers written about all of this.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Agreed. That's the biggest part of the addiction for me. Watching how the administrators of various schools have reacted to the changing landscape publicly & then finding out what they were really doing behind closed doors has been a fantastic study of sociopolitics.

I initially read "sociopolitics" as "sociopaths". I don't know it really makes that much difference here.

 

[Muck]

Just occurred to me, did this just save Rutgers ten million million dollars in exit fees?

 

[jlb1705]

The ripples resulting from the B1G nudging the first domino (i.e. Nebraska) back in 2008/2009 have been utterly fascinating to watch.

The funny thing was that back then, they didn't even announce a school or even target Nebraska - they just announced that they were exploring the idea of expansion and everybody else started to react. It was a very conservative maneuver, and look at how much volatility resulted from it...

 

[CincyInterloper]

I'm sure some combination of the remaining teams will end up together (assuming SDSU & Boise will stay out west):

C-USA pt deux:
UCONN
Cincy
Memphis
Temple
Houston
Tulane
USF
UCF
SMU
Tulane
ECU?

Maybe try to poach a few more C-USA teams.

UConn & UC will probably end up in the New Big East (currently known as the ACC) once the B1G (& SEC, B12) finish poaching.

UC could always end up in the Big East replacement in BB & non-revenues & CUSA pt 2 in FB only.



Scout or Bearcat News?

I'm guessing when the smoke clears, the Big East leftovers and the ACC leftovers will find themselves in the same conference. Should be a pretty good basketball conference. Football, not so much. The western schools will go back to the WAC or whatever they call it.

 

[Oh8ch]

It would be interesting to go on a recruiting visit with Tuberville right about now.

 

[ochre]

Just occurred to me, did this just save Rutgers ten million million dollars in exit fees?

that's a lot of money.

 

[broken24]

Just occurred to me, did this just save Rutgers ten million million dollars in exit fees?

I don't think it is really clear.

From the yahoo article:

DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall and Villanova have essentially three options.
They can remain in the Big East despite the likelihood that a new TV deal will not meet their expectations and the chance that new additions like Tulane, Houston and SMU drag down the league's basketball standing. They can leave the league and forfeit millions of dollars in NCAA tournament win shares and exit fees paid by previous departees. Or they can dissolve the league altogether if they have the two-thirds majority necessary to make such a decision.

But dissolving instead of just leaving is a nice FU from the Catholic 7.


Found more:

From USAToday

The basketball schools have two options. They could withdraw as a group. Normally that would entail an exit fee of at least $10 million and a 27-month waiting period. But in 2003 former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese pushed through an agreement that would eliminate the exit fees for either the football side of the conference or the basketball side if they left as a group. A two-year waiting period would still be enforced.

But by leaving, the basketball schools would forfeit receiving their part of the growing total of exit fees that have been paid or will be paid by Big East schools such as West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Rutgers, all which have left or are in the process of leaving the conference. They also would forfeit the valuable Big East "name'' and other residuals, including an automatic berth in the NCAA basketball tournament.

To avoid this predicament, the Catholic schools could push through a vote distributing the exit fee assets immediately and also negotiate a deal where they would take the Big East name with them.

 

[toby34a]

Since the Catholic 7 would be a group that's been playing in a conference together of more then 5 teams in the same conference, they would retain their automatic bid, even if they dissolved the Big East.

What I see happening - they dissolve the Big East (since they are 7 out of 10 full voting members, they alone can do so), and keep the name. New Big East adds Xavier, Creighton, and Dayton/St. Louis (or both Dayton and St. Louis, with a 12th team in there somewhere... Gonzaga? Butler?) to form a nice b-ball conference of smaller schools with good history.

 

[Mrstickball]

FYI, the Big Ten has another survey out about divisional alignment.

This time, they are presenting three possible divisional setups and have you pick which is your most and least favorite. (URL: http://btn.com/2012/12/13/take-the-survey-which-division-ideas-do-you-prefer/)

Option #1 is the "Plus 1" which simply adds Rutgers and Maryland onto current divisions.
Option #2 is East & West, with Indiana going East, and Purdue going West (Mich State and Michigan would be in OSU's east division)
Option #3 is the idea proposed by the Michigan guy, with the "Inner" and "Outer" divisions, with OSU, Michigan, Mich State, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, and Illinois in one division, and the remaining teams in the outer division.

I hope the poll gets hammered - two out of the three options put Michigan back in OSU's division. Awesome!

 

[VBSJ]

FYI, the Big Ten has another survey out about divisional alignment.

Yeah, voted on it when it first came out (along with the survey a couple weeks ago). No mention of "Legends" and "Leaders", so those are probably dead (in terms of names).

Obviously, the conference has been getting feedback as to needing Ohio State and TTUN in the same division, so that'll hopefully get done.

What's funny is, ESPiN is not allowed to mention the surveys, because they take traffic away from ESPiN (onto BTN.com). Many of the other sports sites have already mentioned the Division survey.

 

[exhawg]

The only issue with inner/outer is travel. I think it would make the divisions the most even. I also like East/West since it would get OSU a game in the NJ/NYC/MD markets at least every other year, but it would load the East division with the bigger name programs.

This is all moot if the B1G adds 2 more schools before anyone new sees the field. IMO with 16 schools you have to go 4x4.