Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[DaveyBoy]

If Missouri slips to the SEC, I'm afraid that will be a big mistake made by Delany & Company.

Of course if we end up with Texas and ND, then nothing at all can trump that. I just don't think we'll end up with Texas or ND.

New report has either WVU or Missouri as the SEC's 14th team.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footba...rginia-missouri-14th-spot-conference-texas-am

I think West Virginia would be a good fit for them.

 

[Gatorubet]

Of course we won't. Any move the B1G makes will be proactive, and large.

I still think Tejas to the B1G is strongly positive. And I think it's far more likely than Tejas to the Pac-24.

I dunno. Tejas can keep its Longhorn Network, and be King of the Suck West Conference of the remaining teams and the cherry picked WAC and Mountain West teams it lets join. It has an easy path to BCS fame every year, keeps most of the money, and gets a Conference Championship Game in Dallas every year.

 

[armsbendback]

The thing about the PAC is it almost has to bypass 14 and go straight to 16 based on its current divisional format, traditional rivalries, and geography. The PAC 16 will be the old Pac 8 in one division and then Arizona St., Arizona, Utah, Colorado and Oklahoma. OK State and whatever other Big 12/MWC school join.

If they go to 14, they'd have to split up UCLA/USC which will never happen or temporarily put either Ok or Ok st in with the northern cali/oregon/wash schools. Though I suppose they could bump Utah over to the North Division and thrown Oklahoma and OK St in with the Colorado, the Arizona schools and USC/UCLA

To me it makes sense that they don't make a move untill they have all four schools they want locked in

 

[ScriptOhio]

Re: In partnering with ESPN to launch the network, UT is expected to bring in $300 million over the next 20 years.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Texas-AM-to-make-sec-announcement-090611

I don't understand all the hoopla about the Longhorn Network. That's only 15 million a year and in 20 years (with inflation) it won't be nearly as impressive.

Re: That?s the projected payout to each school for the 2009-10 season, according to information provided to the St. Louis Post Dispatch by the Illinois athletic department. That?s nearly half of all the TV revenue (an estimated $14.9 million) Illinois is expected to take in this year, the St. Louis newspaper reported.

All the Big 10 schools are already getting that much (or more) from the Big 10 Network.

http://huskerextra.com/sports/football/article_976b8924-6171-5b3f-9215-616cc0bd997b.html

 

[Dryden]

Re: In partnering with ESPN to launch the network, UT is expected to bring in $300 million over the next 20 years.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Texas-AM-to-make-sec-announcement-090611

I don't understand all the hoopla about the Longhorn Network. That's only 15 million a year and in 20 years (with inflation) it won't be nearly as impressive.

Re: That?s the projected payout to each school for the 2009-10 season, according to information provided to the St. Louis Post Dispatch by the Illinois athletic department. That?s nearly half of all the TV revenue (an estimated $14.9 million) Illinois is expected to take in this year, the St. Louis newspaper reported.

All the Big 10 schools are already getting that much (or more) from the Big 10 Network.

http://huskerextra.com/sports/football/article_976b8924-6171-5b3f-9215-616cc0bd997b.html

Texas hubris. They'd rather have 100% of a quarter than 50% of a dollar.

 

[Woody1968]

The thing about the PAC is it almost has to bypass 14 and go straight to 16 based on its current divisional format, traditional rivalries, and geography. The PAC 16 will be the old Pac 8 in one division and then Arizona St., Arizona, Utah, Colorado and Oklahoma. OK State and whatever other Big 12/MWC school join.

If they go to 14, they'd have to split up UCLA/USC which will never happen or temporarily put either Ok or Ok st in with the northern cali/oregon/wash schools. Though I suppose they could bump Utah over to the North Division and thrown Oklahoma and OK St in with the Colorado, the Arizona schools and USC/UCLA

To me it makes sense that they don't make a move untill they have all four schools they want locked in

Colorado is pissed off right about now, since they went to the Pac to play on the West Coast.

 

[cincibuck]

...Screw academics...

No. This is not the NFL--yet.

IMO, Unless they also bring in Notre Dame, Syracuse and Rutgers aren't worth the effort and they're not going to bring in an east coast college football fan base.

(Anyone on here know a) if anyone on the east coach watches college football? b) what teams they watch, if they watch?)

Yeah, if the Big 10 could get Texas and Oklahoma, it could be a financial boon. But if the Texas legislature and T-bone Pickens have their way, you have to take the illegitimate offspring too and that's a huge drop in academic standards, not to mention a difficult cultural match. I don't see the Big 10 doing that...ever.

UT has a difficult problem to solve. Their greed has brought about the break up of a conference that gave them recognition outside the state. They are stuck with an unrealistic legislature-- one that loves Longhorn football and hates UT's academics. They are stuck in the center of a state with a football-at-any-cost mentality that runs in conflict with the school's academic standing as a public ivy. Austin is as funky as Madison or Ann Arbor in the Big 10 or as Berkeley and Palo Alto in the Pac whatever--Well, not quite Bezerkeley. But unlike those four places, it's surrounded by hellfire and brimstone religion and ultra conservative politics. You can see it visibly on their campus, world class academicians, libraries and labs and a quad surrounded by statues of Confederate generals. (The quad empties out onto Martin Luther King Street and the school has a rule against paying any NCAA game in South Carolina as long as the state flag contains the Confederate battle flag -- how's that for bi-polar?) It's a conundrum that exceeds the great minds of the university.

 

[Woody1968]

How reliable has Chip Brown been in this entire affair?

http://twitter.com/#!/ChipBrownOB

Sounds like he reads the Houston Chronicle.

 

[Woody1968]

Of course we won't. Any move the B1G makes will be proactive, and large.

I still think Tejas to the B1G is strongly positive. And I think it's far more likely than Tejas to the Pac-24.

Do not want.

 

[Gatorubet]

Texas hubris. They'd rather have 100% of a quarter than 50% of a dollar.

That is very well stated. Because it's so true.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Screw academics and geography for a second.

That is great for us to do, but it is not what Delany is doing. He is looking at the big picture. For us to do is pure fantasy.

If Delany is looking at more expansion he is looking at schools that fit academically and will improve the B1G brand through the B1G Network. There are only two schools that will help the B1G in football that will grow the pie and take away from the other schools profits. They are ND and Texas, if brought in as equal partners. Any other football school would have a diminishing rate of return.

Someone suggested bringing in UNC, Duke and Virginia. UNC, Duke and Virginia would be huge academically as they are all AAU members. This would do nothing on the football side, but would be huge on the basketball side. Would the B1G profit enough bringing them in to strengthen the basketball side of the equation? Would bringing Kansas (basketball) and ND (football and to an extent basketball as well) be enough to strengthen both?

 

[Woody1968]

Latest reports are that The SEC was set to invite A&M, but the had to stop and put in a stipulation that all other Big 12 schools waive the right to bring legal action, because Baylor is now threatening to sue.

 

[damiandoan]

Has anyone really asked/answered the question; why must the B1G expand to 16, just because everyone else is expanding? Why expand just for the sake of expansion?

 

[Woody1968]

That is great for us to do, but it is not what Delany is doing. He is looking at the big picture. For us to do is pure fantasy.

If Delany is looking at more expansion he is looking at schools that fit academically and will improve the B1G brand through the B1G Network. There are only two schools that will help the B1G in football that will grow the pie and take away from the other schools profits. They are ND and Texas, if brought in as equal partners. Any other football school would have a diminishing rate of return.

Someone suggested bringing in UNC, Duke and Virginia. UNC, Duke and Virginia would be huge academically as they are all AAU members. This would do nothing on the football side, but would be huge on the basketball side. Would the B1G profit enough bringing them in to strengthen the basketball side of the equation? Would bringing Kansas (basketball) and ND (football and to an extent basketball as well) be enough to strengthen both?

It could also be argued that Oklahoma would improve the Big Ten brand.

I went to grad school at UVA. Virginia and the Carolina schools are not a cultural fit with the B1G. They wear button downs and ties to football games and do not allow you to refer to the American Civil War as the Civil War, but insist on the term "War of Northern Aggression."

 

[Woody1968]

Has anyone really asked/answered the question; why must the B1G expand to 16, just because everyone else is expanding? Why expand just for the sake of expansion?

Good point. We don't. The SEC needs to because they need more TV money, but none of the other conferences really need to, except the Big East, in order to stay an AQ.