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Bicycle Hate

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LordJeffBuck said:
IIRC, our old friend Trey McNeil hated bicyclists....
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This is allegedly Trey McNeil's anti-cyclist manifesto, which was posted on another message board (since deleted) and copied and pasted to BP (the thread is hidden away from all but the Admins). I've highlighted some of best/worst sentiments:

"I may have to leave soon so I have prepared statement for all of you.

Let me start by once again pointing out how stupid you are. At 9 years old I was smart enough to know that it was dangerous to ride my bike on certain streets. How did I know this? Well with my amazing nine year old brain power, I was able to comprehend the simple math and physics of a car traveling at 45-60 MPH and a bike going 10-20 MPH. I would lose every time. Therefore when I used to ride my bike as a kid to the general store I went 2 miles out of my way to avoid curvy and hilly roads with heavy traffic flow. It was common sense.

Now let me take this time to go over a few thing:

1. Cycling douche bags have admittedly cyber stalked me.
2. Cycling douche bags have made threats of physical violence on message boards toward me.
3. Cycling douche bags have admittedly called my house and make threats including murdering me and raping my wife.

Most of these threats of violence came from the sorba board, although from others as well. As others on this board will attest to some of their members admitted to doing this, however the board moderators deleted those threads.

While I have celebrated the death of some of your cycling brothers, I have never made any threat of any kind. Imagine the lack of common sense, brain power, and any semblance of anything resembling reason it must take for the people threatening me to turn around and then claim they should contact authority figures about reporting me as dangerous. Even stranger, for the rest of us, is it doesn't surprise us. If someone like say a retarded man, or a 5 year old child did this, it would blow our minds, but becuase they are cyclists, it is business as usual in the delusional world of stupidity they live in.

Get over it, I exposed you and you are pissy for it. I get it. You had a nice scam going for a while, but you pushed your luck too far and now people are getting pissed off. You can bet your ass that your "Share the Road" propaganda is not going to have much success. Productive members of society with actual places to be need to get there, and they don't have time to delay themselves becuase you think you are Lance Armstrong. Yes we all see you in your yellow spandex and aerodynamic helmet, we are very impressed, now get the **** out of our way, we have jobs and lives to get to. Your smugness is pissing people off and they aren't going to stand for it.

Next I will fully admit when one of you bites the dust, I enjoy it. I feel for their families and loved ones, it sucks for them that they were so selfish, but when people kill themselves doing stupid things, I can't help but laugh. You idiots are riding a ****ing bike on roads with cars that are going 2-4x your speed and have a humongous weight advantage. Some of you idiots are going to die, this is inevitable. If you really cared about these people you'd help me get them off the damn roads, not scream for more people to do the same tupid **** that got them killed. As I said, I feel for their families. To lose a friend, a brother, wife, mother, whatever because he just wanted to be a douche bag, it's tough. But that person made the choice that his life was worth being a huge tool trying to tie up traffic and create road hazards, i.e. not much.

It's pretty much a consensus among all non cyclists and even some of your own bike riding brothers and sisters that I have ruined you worse than anyone has ever been ruined in history without committing genocide. You idiots have done nothing but prove everything I say about you is 100% true. You say you aren't douche bags, yet you do nothing but be docuhe bags. Everything you have said or done in retort to my letter and comments has been the epitome of docuhebaggery. You say you don't slow down traffic and create road hazards, yet here in Atlanta last week a large group of cyclist did just that.

You people are idiots. Do the world and a favor and kill yourselves, despite what you want to convince the police, I am not going to do it for you."
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Jaxbuck said:
When cyclists choose to get their exercise on a narrow road, they are not sharing it because you cannot get around them without risking your life and the lives of others (oncoming traffic). When they are in a designated bicycle lane (on roads big enough to have them) then everyone can share easily. The rub lies when the road just isn't big enough for both activities at the same time.

People in cars are solving a transportation problem. They have to drive cars on roads to get from point A to point B. They can't choose to solve their transportation problem in other ways .

Cyclists are solving an exercise problem. They are doing it for physical exercise or pursuit of their favorite leisure activity. There is nothing wrong with that but they have choices on where they can engage in a leisure activity. Bike paths, gyms, wider roads etc etc etc.

People trying to get home from work, kids to school etc, do not have the same options and, to my way of thinking, have a more legitimate need for the road so when it can't be shared, I think the cyclists are being the selfish/inconsiderate party.
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This is a very specific regional perspective. Over half my staff commutes on a bicycle here in Chicago. In Bangkok, probably closer to 80%.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
When cyclists choose to get their exercise on a narrow road, they are not sharing it because you cannot get around them without risking your life and the lives of others (oncoming traffic). When they are in a designated bicycle lane (on roads big enough to have them) then everyone can share easily. The rub lies when the road just isn't big enough for both activities at the same time.

People in cars are solving a transportation problem. They have to drive cars on roads to get from point A to point B. They can't choose to solve their transportation problem in other ways .

Cyclists are solving an exercise problem. They are doing it for physical exercise or pursuit of their favorite leisure activity. There is nothing wrong with that but they have choices on where they can engage in a leisure activity. Bike paths, gyms, wider roads etc etc etc.

People trying to get home from work, kids to school etc, do not have the same options and, to my way of thinking, have a more legitimate need for the road so when it can't be shared, I think the cyclists are being the selfish/inconsiderate party.
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Very well thought out, except it sufferers from 3 major flaws.

1. There is no such thing as a bike path. There are paths that bikes can go on, along with walkers, joggers, runners, walkers with kids that think its a sidewalk, joggers with dogs and retractable leashes, runners with strollers, grandmas with wagons with babies in them, mom's with bike trailers, dads with baby trailers and dogs with retractable leashes, teams of runners pretending to be in boot camp for some fucking reason, skateboarder gen x'ers, trannies on rollerblades, golf carts with dudes looking for errant drives on the golf course you're riding through, golf carts with dudes doing maintenance in the park you're riding through, lesbians pissing on the path at 9am on their way to the pride parade, homeless dudes sitting under the overpass with a 12 pack of keystone light yelling incoherently at everyone who goes by, old ladies bringing home their groceries, homeless dudes with grocery carts, kids walking up and down the river on the path with their fishing rods.... but, there's no motorized vehicles you say? Well, there aren't, except the ones there are, including skateboards with backpack batteries, whatever the thing with one wheel in the middle of the board is called, motorized scooters, both owned by the person, and rented by the drunk bros to get to the hockey/baseball/soccer/concert in the daylight, gets extra drunker, and uber home, and what's that beeping sound, someone is passing me? I"m going 20mph... ah.... its a septuagenarian on a class 3 ebike doing 35 mph. Are they pedaling? Nah, fuck making it look like their biking (and half of them look like dirt bikes anyway, and they're not bikes, at best they're electric mopeds, at worst they're simply electric motorcycles), its illegal for them to be there, except your local municipalities WANT this entire last group to be there. So, I mean, there are paths out there, but there aren't bike paths in any meaningful way. But its the cyclists that are being inconsiderate.

2. I'm not sure if you're aware of how civil engineering works, but generally, they make the bigger wider roads for places where more traffic happens... for example we have interstate highways (which I might add are restricted to certain kinds of vehicles) to connect, say major metro areas and on the other hand we have chip and seal one lane windy narrow roads that lead back to Hefflefingers Dairy Farm and not much else. You see Jax, the narrow windy roads are narrow and windy because they have the LEAST amount of traffic, which should in turn cause the LEAST amount of impact. This is cyclists actually being considerate, you see.

3. Which brings me to your final flaw which is the same as your bike path flaw, which is that roads are just for cars, and there are some that are, like limited access highways, unfortunately, there are not roads for cars that go the Hefflefingers Dairy farm, there are roads for cars, motorcycles, tractors, combines, amish buggys, milk trucks, school buses, licensed golf carts, amazon deliveries, NOT EBIKES GOD FUCKING FORBID, mopeds, runners, and cyclists.

But to your point, I will "ride" about 3,000 miles this year. 1800 of them will be indoors on a trainer watching virtual landscape go by, probably 1000 of the remainder will be on so called bike paths and residential streets. The very little rest that remains will be on windy gravely roads mostly on the weekend and will have minimal impacts on other people, not that I really care all that much from that perspective, but the more people that go by me, the less I like that, so I go out less and less, and when I do, its more and more remote. (it doesn't help that I have to ride 10 miles to get into the country to start with)

One final note, if anyone was reading in the previous posts anyone complaining that the cyclists were being inconsiderate because they would not ride single file so someone could get by and thinking "hey they should have gone single file".... FUCK OFF... you're doing it wrong. If you have to go left of center, you're making a pass, and to give 3 full feet, you're going left of center, the reason they don't give you the 'sneak by' space is BECAUSE OF YOU. I can tell you right now, I keep my eye out for 2 kinds of vehicles above all else first is any kind of delivery driver**, they don't give a fuck if you're on a bike or in an F-350 and 2. Honda Civics and its because the Honda Civic driver thinks, "Oh, my car is tiny I can sneak right through _____ space" instead of making a proper passing (after that its males driving Subaru Outbacks, but I think that's a different problem) I have literally NEVER been close to being hit by a pick up truck or large SUV.

**Although, i will say in general the UPS and Fed Ex guys are decent, amazon, fuck no and if its morning and its says shit like, "Restaurant Linen Laundry Service" keep in mind that dude is still drunk from drinking until 4am and probably literally can't see.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Got a quick 14 miles on my ebike in over lunch. Both sides can throw their irrational hate at me.
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I actually think e-bikes are pretty cool. I just don't get why we decided they were "e-bicycles" instead of "electro-cycles"

If some kids were out on the bike paths here, with little gas powered dirtbikes or say a Coleman minibike, they would lock them up and throw away the key, yet I see electric versions of these almost daily, and I don't think the capabilities are much different.

But the the possibilities they open up for people as far as distance and terrain and things like bike-packing I think they are really good. I dunno if they all* need to be on bike paths with families and children.

*I know there are different classifications that I probably don't understand well enough.
 
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AKAK said:
I actually think e-bikes are pretty cool. I just don't get why we decided they were "e-bicycles" instead of "electro-cycles"

If some kids were out on the bike paths here, with little gas powered dirtbikes or say a Coleman minibike, they would lock them up and throw away the key, yet I see electric versions of these almost daily, and I don't think the capabilities are much different.

But the the possibilities they open up for people as far as distance and terrain and things like bike-packing I think they are really good. I dunno if they all* need to be on bike paths with families and children.

*I know there are different classifications that I probably don't understand well enough.
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It depends on the type. Peddle assist e-bikes are definitely bicycles. They are certainly not faster or more dangerous than a regular bike. If it has a throttle, however, then I just don’t get the point. No hate though.
 
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