Ben Mauk (Official Thread)

[Muck]

What jurisdiction does Hardin County have?

More importantly how often does Judge Hart play golf with Mauk's dad?

 

[billmac91]

I don't really understand why they won't grant a medical redshirt....he basically had his arm rebuilt after a disgusting play. It was the season opener so he qualifies based on playing time.

The article states he didn't provide enough documentation on the injury....sounds stupid, but can't they just look at the tape. It's one of the most heinous injuries I've seen. He still plays in pain because of it. Does the NCAA think he sat out the remainder of the year in an effort to claim a medical redshirt?

Why won't the NCAA grant his request?

 

[sandgk]

What jurisdiction does Hardin County have?

Good queston

More importantly how often does Judge Hart play golf with Mauk's dad?

fore!! - Does Muck have the dirt on Judge Hart? News at 11:13 - or immediately after we give live coverage of the recent State Fair debacle.

I don't really understand why they won't grant a medical redshirt....he basically had his arm rebuilt after a disgusting play. It was the season opener so he qualifies based on playing time.

He'd already expended a redshirt before transfer.

Why won't the NCAA grant his request?

By the rules, he's out of luck.
Another way of saying that is this ...

The NCAA is a congenitally myopic organization, capable only of applying the letter of their rules, not their spirit.

They're still recovering from the crisis of conscience that resulted in Marshall being allowed to field a team, after they were wiped out in an airplane crash.

It haunts them to this day, they're not going to make the same mistake again!

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

I don't really understand why they won't grant a medical redshirt....he basically had his arm rebuilt after a disgusting play. It was the season opener so he qualifies based on playing time.

The article states he didn't provide enough documentation on the injury....sounds stupid, but can't they just look at the tape. It's one of the most heinous injuries I've seen. He still plays in pain because of it. Does the NCAA think he sat out the remainder of the year in an effort to claim a medical redshirt?

Why won't the NCAA grant his request?

It's not the injury that occurred while Mauk was at Wake Forest that is in dispute. As I understand the situation, Mauk redshirted his freshman season in 2003, due to what he is now claiming was a lingering foot injury from high school. Then an injury occured to his throwing arm/shoulder while he was at Wake Forest in 2006, and to which you refer.

Someone who understands the way redshirts work within the eligibility framework might be able to fill in the gaps here. For some reason, Mauk's argument on appeal has been that Wake Forest kept him from playing the 2003 season due to injury. He isn't even raising the 2006 injury (does this have to count as his normal redshirt year, and if so, why?).

Here's an excerpt from an old article:

He was denied in February, and he submitted new information to the NCAA in March, detailing for the first time his high school injury and providing documentation from his personal physician that it kept him from playing his freshman season at Wake.

According to UC compliance director Maggie McKinley, though, Wake Forest couldn?t provide the necessary documentation backing up Mauk?s claims.

?Wake Forest didn?t have the contemporaneous medical documentation when Ben was there,? McKinley said. ?We had all the documentation from his treating physician when the injury occurred and the follow-up surgeries. He got to Wake Forest, and the paper trail ended. That?s the problem. Follow-up visits, things like that. There?s nothing.

?The NCAA isn?t disputing that there was an injury. What they?re saying is that there?s nothing to support that it kept him out of playing.?

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

He'd already expended a redshirt before transfer.

Yes, but he didn't have to sit out a transfer year due to being grandfathered into the old rule for athletes who had completed their undergraduate degree.

He did already expend a redshirt - either in 2003 or 2006. But why couldn't one of those seasons count as a normal redshirt year and the other a medical redshirt year? More specifically, why does he have to prove that 2003 should be his medical redshirt year (which is what he has been trying to do)?

 

[billmac91]

I guess I'm wrong, but technically I thought a player COULD have 6 years to play 4.

Is the problem that he used 2 redshirts at Wake, and then had a transfer year?

It'd help to see some type of chart on when he enrolled, and redshirt years.

Does anyone know if he treid using his transfer year as a redshirt?

 

[billmac91]

Yes, but he didn't have to sit out a transfer year due to being grandfathered into the old rule for athletes who had completed their undergraduate degree.

He did already expend a redshirt - either in 2003 or 2006. But why couldn't one of those seasons count as a normal redshirt year and the other a medical redshirt year? More specifically, why does he have to prove that 2003 should be his medical redshirt year (which is what he has been trying to do)?

Ya, I'm baffled at this...it seems pretty straight-forward on the surface...there must be something going on the public isn't privvy too. There have been tons of guys granted a 6th year due to a medical redshirt, so it'd be interesting to see why they're denying him.

 

[Muck]

fore!! - Does Muck have the dirt on Judge Hart? News at 11:13 - or immediately after we give live coverage of the recent State Fair debacle.

LOL Nope no inside info.

I just know how things work in Hardin Co. (and the other counties in the area).

 

[methomps]

You need to lose substantial portions of two years to get a 6th year. The 2006 injury is an easy one. But he needed a 2nd. He thus tried to claim that his 2003 redshirt (as a true freshman) was due to a HS injury. The NCAA didn't buy it, mostly because it is complete bullshit.

 

[billmac91]

You need to lose substantial portions of two years to get a 6th year. The 2006 injury is an easy one. But he needed a 2nd. He thus tried to claim that his 2003 redshirt (as a true freshman) was due to a HS injury. The NCAA didn't buy it, mostly because it is complete bull[censored].

OK, makes sense then....if you are applying for a fifth year, it's just one season then?

 

[methomps]

OK, makes sense then....if you are applying for a fifth year, it's just one season then?

Right, and the criteria is this:

(1) incapacitating injury or illness that prevents you from completing the season
(2) occurs before end of first half of season
(3) you participated in no more than 3 games or 30% of games (whichever is greater)

 

[Taosman]

Geezus! That arm is the worse mess I've ever seen and it still works! I wish he could get another year. God bless him! :(

 

[DaytonBuck]

You need to lose substantial portions of two years to get a 6th year. The 2006 injury is an easy one. But he needed a 2nd. He thus tried to claim that his 2003 redshirt (as a true freshman) was due to a HS injury. The NCAA didn't buy it, mostly because it is complete bullshit.

bullshit or a situation with murky facts and a bitter ex-school?

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

bullshit or a situation with murky facts and a bitter ex-school?

Seems to be bullshit, because hospitals aren't in the nature of destroying patient records. The reports were that the patient trail went cold after he moved down to Wake Forest. Mauk should have been able to prove his case if his story was true.

Also, I don't think Wake Forest would have been bitter about the transfer -- they had found a younger guy to start over Mauk, right?

 

[methomps]

bull[censored] or a situation with murky facts and a bitter ex-school?

Bull[censored]. Here is an excerpt from an August 2003 article in the Greensboro News & Record:

Everyone expects Ben Mauk to be the quarterback of the future at Wake Forest.

But coach Jim Grobe hopes the future is not now, especially not Saturday against Georgia Tech.

Backup quarterback Zac Taylor injured his back in the weight room "and we're not sure how bad that is," Grobe said Tuesday.

Taylor sat out Tuesday's practice, while Mauk, a true freshman from Lima, Ohio, ran the second team. If Taylor doesn't respond, Mauk would be Cory Randolph's backup Saturday.

It's a scenario Grobe wants to avoid. His plan is to complete this season without using Mauk and Bruce Hall, the quarterbacks in the 2003 recruiting class. That would leave them with four years of eligibility.

On the plus side, Randolph has taken every snap this season.

"We really don't want to pull a (red shirt) off of either one of those freshman quarterbacks," Grobe said, "but that might be a necessity if something happened to Cory Randolph. They'll be there and ready. Ben Mauk ... would be the first guy up right now, but we sure wouldn't want to be forced into that situation."

Wide receivers Anthony Young and Nate Morton started their Wake Forest careers as quarterbacks and could be used in an emergency, but Grobe doesn't want to reduce their practice repetitions as receivers.

His redshirt was tactical, not injury-related. It doesn't qualify.