BCS predictions/discussion/Knock Em' Off

[lvbuckeye]

I still think every Big Ten team should play every Big Ten team. But, I doubt it will happen. I've heard the main reasons include the financial aspect.

ridiculous argument. the Pac Ten plays everyone in their conference, and there's no reason that the Big Ten can't. play two OOC games and ten Big Ten games... and mix in an off week half way through the season so teams don't have ridiculous 5-7 week lay-offs between the regular season and the bowls. it's killing us in more ways than one. 1) teams never get a chance to get healthy with a 12 week gauntlet. 2) there is an inevitable amount of rust that accumulates with these ridiculous lay-offs. 3) the Pac Ten plays 12 games in 14 weeks. they have TWO off weeks. the Big Ten plays 12 games in 12 weeks. you tell me who will be fresher at the end of the year?

 

[lvbuckeye]

your 100% right on the gift td and calling the officiating horrid is generous imo. but the fact of the matter is we were absolutely dominated in the 4th. even if we were up a touchdown or two going into the 4th, i have no faith that our d could stop them that day or that our o would have been able to move the ball efficiently enough to kill a comback. they ate up 8 min and 43 seconds of the 4th on a single drive that ended deep in our territory with the victory formation. if that isn't domination i don't know what is.

ah, but you are failing to account for the momentum that the Illini built as the game progressed. if it's 1st and 10 on the 20 for the Buckeyes up 7-0 and they go on to score quickly again to make it 14-0, how much of that Mo would the Illini have a chance to build? they'd have been in a hole early, which would have taken them out of their game... that play turned the entire game, and we caught the short end...

we all know that Tressel will never publicly make excuses. he even went on record after the Illinois game to say that he's not a big fan of replay, but did you notice how fast he was to pull the trigger on a challenge the next week? HE realized that he screwed up BIG TIME by not challenging the fumble.

 

[sandgk]

ridiculous argument. the Pac Ten plays everyone in their conference, and there's no reason that the Big Ten can't. play two OOC games and ten Big Ten games... and mix in an off week half way through the season so teams don't have ridiculous 5-7 week lay-offs between the regular season and the bowls. it's killing us in more ways than one. 1) teams never get a chance to get healthy with a 12 week gauntlet. 2) there is an inevitable amount of rust that accumulates with these ridiculous lay-offs. 3) the Pac Ten plays 12 games in 14 weeks. they have TWO off weeks. the Big Ten plays 12 games in 12 weeks. you tell me who will be fresher at the end of the year?

You're talking logistics, daveeb was talking dollars and cents. I think you are both right. It can be done, but only at a cost to the conference members coffers by giving up an automatic home game against an OOC, and typically weaker, opponent.

 

[playultimate]

play two OOC games and ten Big Ten games

congratulations, you just gave away 1-2 home games per year. Most of our OOC games are home games. By playing 10 Big Ten games instead of 8, we're giving up millions of dollars in revenue. We don't need a playoff, or a round robin. 90% of the time, it comes down to OSU-scUM anyways.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You are giving up 1 home game. 10 B10 games means 1 more home and 1 more away.

What you are really giving up is the chance to play any meaningful OOC games for the entire conference. With only having 2 a year, no one is going to schedule a home and home with another major university. Everyone will fill their 2 OOC home game slots with whatever creampuffs want the check. No one could afford to give away that second home game for a home and home that any decent team is going to demand.

 

[BuckeyesFever]

I mean who wouldn't say no to money? Remmy there are many millionaires at SC. Why else did alma mater like him suggested we play at Rose Bowl, not NC? Wouldn't we want to have better recruiting and part of better history like more champions? Alright, I'll move on.

I believe we can beat Mizzou should we meet them. OU were whipped twice at bowls recently and lost to Boise State in another bowl. We needn't worry about Big 12, though with cautious. We deserve to be #2. WVA can play better than some of us think. It beat GA at a bowl last year.
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[osucollegebuck]

Oh man, did anyone happen to catch Mike and the Mad Dog on the YES Network on ch. 622 on Direct TV. They were absolutely killing tOSU on the possibilities of the Bucks getting into the Nat'l Championship. The were going on and on about how tOSU is undeserving and that USC, Florida, and LSU are all in a whole different league of skill. If you saw this I hope you didn't throw a rock through your television set. The Maddog was going on how tOSU is boring to watch and then they were complaining about how college football is unwatchable with the multiple overtimes. I would suggest to these NYC morons to not watch college football.

 

[Lockup]

Oh man, did anyone happen to catch Mike and the Mad Dog on the YES Network on ch. 622 on Direct TV. They were absolutely killing tOSU on the possibilities of the Bucks getting into the Nat'l Championship. The were going on and on about how tOSU is undeserving and that USC, Florida, and LSU are all in a whole different league of skill. If you saw this I hope you didn't throw a rock through your television set. The Maddog was going on how tOSU is boring to watch and then they were complaining about how college football is unwatchable with the multiple overtimes. I would suggest to these NYC morons to not watch college football.

this is part of the real problem for OSU if they make the NC game. They are screwed whether they win or lose.

If the lose well you know it will be another year of listening to everybody talk about how they should not have been there and god forbid they get blown out.

If they win well it is just as easy to dismiss them and say they played nobody for the NC game (much like the rest of their season).

Either way they are screwed.

 

[osucollegebuck]

this is part of the real problem for OSU if they make the NC game. They are screwed whether they win or lose.

If the lose well you know it will be another year of listening to everybody talk about how they should not have been there and god forbid they get blown out.

If they win well it is just as easy to dismiss them and say they played nobody for the NC game (much like the rest of their season).

Either way they are screwed.

I think you nailed it.

 

[kn1f3party]

First, who cares whether a few talking heads consider The Ohio State University legitimate title contenders? I have no doubt that our program is as good as any other out there this year. So, lets hope that Oklahoma comes out on top like expected.

Depending on that outcome, how many of you can honestly say you aren't proud of our team for their achievements either way? Either we're off to a Rose Bowl against a very tough USC team (in all likelihood) or playing for the National Championship against an explosive West Virginia team. Whether we win or lose either of those games it is certainly more than I had expected at the beginning of the season.

Besides, how could you complain about a season where our seniors were sent off with four pairs of gold pants?

 

[Lockup]

First, who cares whether a few talking heads consider The Ohio State University legitimate title contenders? I have no doubt that our program is as good as any other out there this year. So, lets hope that Oklahoma comes out on top like expected.

Depending on that outcome, how many of you can honestly say you aren't proud of our team for their achievements either way? Either we're off to a Rose Bowl against a very tough USC team (in all likelihood) or playing for the National Championship against an explosive West Virginia team. Whether we win or lose either of those games it is certainly more than I had expected at the beginning of the season.

Besides, how could you complain about a season where our seniors were sent off with four pairs of gold pants?

Oh I have no problem with this season no matter how it plays out. for those of us that would like to see the Bucks get a little more respect instead of the constanst dribble we hear we just likely aren't going to get it.

Actually the best scenerio for the Bucks from a respect standpoint would be to go to the Rose bowl and wack USC. But I would rather have the NC game and fuck the haters.

 

[Palpie]

I love how the media "experts" are still all over LSU, USC, and UF despite 7 losses between the three of them. It's like the season's results don't matter. They picked those 3 teams at the begining of the year and damn it those will be the three best team at the end of it.

 

[kartaron]

HtM has made it clear, every time he's posted it, that his "projections" are not actually "projections" but are the match-ups that would be provided by a purely hypothetical alternative system. He says they are "just for fun". His other posts indicate that he is completely familiar with the rules that are actually in place.

ahh, if we are discussing fantasy worlds:

Fiesta : Hawaii vs Oklahoma
Rose : USC vs Illinois
Orange : WV vs VT
Sugar : Georgia vs LSU (the SEC fan's real championship bowl)
NC : OSU vs miraculously healed Dixon and Oregon

 

[martinss01]

ah, but you are failing to account for the momentum that the Illini built as the game progressed. if it's 1st and 10 on the 20 for the Buckeyes up 7-0 and they go on to score quickly again to make it 14-0, how much of that Mo would the Illini have a chance to build? they'd have been in a hole early, which would have taken them out of their game... that play turned the entire game, and we caught the short end...

while i agree that momentum is a significant part of college football. i also must point out that this is the same fighting zooker team that was down 17-0 at halftime and scored 10 in the 4th quarter last year. i don't think a 14-0 lead in the first 3 min would have been significant enough to make them loose confidence. especially when you factor in that the should have been turnover occurred in our endzone after they drove down the field from their 20. they knew they could play with us. points or no points, they weren't afraid.

oh and btw, i could be wrong but i believe there was no replay on that td because the replay equipment was not functioning. even if jt had challenged the ruling, it would have stood because there was nothing that could be done.

i do agree that this is complete conjecture on both our parts. but i just don't see that play as being overly significant. if this were msu or indiana maybe, but not illi.

 

[BB73]

Chris Stassen had updated the probablilities for tOSU reaching the title game, and it now stands at 60%.

This is based on West Viginia having a 97% chance of beating Pitt, and Oklahoma having a 59% chance of winning (as a 3-point favorite).

ozone

...
Here are the probabilities for each possible matchup:
57% Ohio State vs West Virginia
40% West Virginia vs Missouri
2% Ohio State vs someone else (Georgia, LSU, etc.)
1% Ohio State vs Missouri
And here is each individual team's

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