Game Thread BCS National Championship Game: tOSU 24, LSU 38 (final)

[GeauxTigers99]

I'm goin to break it down position for position for fucks sake...

QB-LSU, Flynn's mobility is the key factor here

RB- OSU, Sure LSU has talent here and people claim they go like 4 deep at tailback but to me that means they don't have that go to guy like beanie wells.

FB- OSU, purely because LSU doesn't use one too often

TE- Push

Oline- OSU, I like the size and speed of our line. Unlike LSU, teams have known we are going to run the ball and don't seem like they can do much to stop it even though they know its coming. To me thats what a great line does.

DE- OSU, we have that big time rush end as well as a tough physical end that can play the run as well. We have 1st rounders at End they do not.

DT- LSU, they have 1st rounders we do not haha.

LB- OSU, how can someone give LSU the nod here? #7 for LSU isn't as good as our #33, and I believe our SLB/WLB are slightly better tacklers as well.

CB- OSU, Jenkins/Washington/Chikwa will all be playing on Sundays with both Jenkins and Washington being 1st rounders. Jenkins has the ability to shut down any teams #1 man, and I like Washington over LSU's #1 Zenon.

Saftey- Push, slight edge LSU, I like OSU's cover ability but I love LSU's physical style of play from the saftey position.


These are just my opinion but I'm basing them on the fact of the stats of both teams. OSU's defensive back 7 has played far much better this year and because of that I took things like that into account

So let me see if I understand this.....

OSU -- RB, FB, O-Line, DE, LB , CB, Coaching

Even -- TE, S

LSU -- QB, DT, Home Field


and yet somehow LSU is a 5.5 pt favorite?? I just don't see how we have a shot if the only advantage we have is w/ our quarterback (which is debatable) and Glen Dorsey.

 

[OSUBucksfan09]

To be honest though I agree with the list.

 

[bukIpower]

well I'm not sayin the edges are decisive. IMO the only reason LSU is favored is because of what happened last year. Look at the stats from this year though and you'll understand why I ranked things the way I did. I also had LSU with an advantage at Saftey so take that into account albeit a small lead.

How can you rank LSU's DB's higher if OSU's defense is #1 in the pass? Same thing goes for LB's, look at the combined run stopping/pass protection numbers that also favors OSU. If you look Its not as lopsided as you think, I only have OSU possessing 1 better unit. It's actually a Tie if you count the FB's into the RB category.

Oh yeah WR's are LSU as well... extremely deep, talented, and fast.

So I have it...

OSU-RB, DE,LB,CB, Coaching

Push- TE

LSU-QB, WR, DT, S, Homefield

Here's some points on why on some of the positions that are close

RB- Again Beanie at 240 and with his speed is a weapon. Hester is very tough but he lacks that big game presence like beanie can have.

FB- Hester is somewhat used like your fullback, but our fullback at 270 and 5'10" is tough to deal with because of those demensions.

oline- You could say PUSH but the fact that LSU has given up more sacks than OSU despite having a mobile QB is something that can't be ignored. Boeckman hasn't been harrassed much this year.

LB- I like your #7 I think highfill is his name but I could be wrong. I don't think he's as complete as James Lauranitus, and I believe Marcus Freeman is a tad better than your WLB as well. This might be were the bucks are deepest this year.

 

[osugrad21]

Im not sure about LBs...each team has one that shows up every saturday and better be accounted for...the others are hit and miss. Freeman and Grant have each shown glimpses of greatness...and been weak links at times.

Push to me.

 

[COTiger]

well I'm not sayin the edges are decisive. IMO the only reason LSU is favored is because of what happened last year. Look at the stats from this year though and you'll understand why I ranked things the way I did.

How can you rank LSU's DB's higher if OSU's defense is #1 in the pass? Same thing goes for LB's, look at the combined run stopping/pass protection numbers that also favors OSU.

Oh yeah WR's are LSU as well... extremely deep, talented, and fast.

The one area I would take exception with is RB. Taking off my purple and gold glasses for a moment, I'd rate 'em even. Don't overlook Hester. I'm sure Coach Tressell isn't.

 

[sandgk]

The one area I would take exception with is RB. Taking off my purple and gold glasses for a moment, I'd rate 'em even. Don't overlook Hester. I'm sure Coach Tressell isn't.

The two other factors that I'm sure Tressel is taking very seriously are the overall level of experience of the LSU squad, and the fact that they have been taken to the wire (even though with mixed results) in OT twice this season.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Im not sure about LBs...each team has one that shows up every saturday and better be accounted for...the others are hit and miss. Freeman and Grant have each shown glimpses of greatness...and been weak links at times.

Push to me.

I think the light went on with Freeman. He's been a beast for the second half of the season. With Grant I agree.

 

[bukIpower]

Well the thing about the RB discussion is this... Hester and Beanie both do 1 thing very well Run hard and break tackles, but there's one thing that Hester lacks to me and thats the vision and moves that Beanie can bring. Sure beanie isn't going to be breaking ankles but he does have better moves than Hester and isn't just a north/south runner like Hester IMO is.

Now that I think bout it I'd move the Safties and RB's to PUSH. I mean our safties cover a lot better but yours play the run better, and the depth of the running backs is slightly yours but I like our top end talent better.

Also thats another reason I have the LB's to OSU because Freeman did play exceptional basically all year. When James had a bad game Freeman was there to pick up the slack. I guess thats why its my opinion hu!? lol.....

If you look how I have things it sure could make for a good game if things work out how I have it ranked

it ends up being strengths on strengths really....

RB /Oline for Ohio State going against the DT's/Safties of LSU

QB/WR for LSU going against LB/DB's/DE for Ohio State

 

[sluTiger]

Well the thing about the RB discussion is this... Hester and Beanie both do 1 thing very well Run hard and break tackles, but there's one thing that Hester lacks to me and thats the vision and moves that Beanie can bring. Sure beanie isn't going to be breaking ankles but he does have better moves than Hester and isn't just a north/south runner like Hester IMO is.

I can agree with this because Hester has NO moves. His best move is to lower his shoulder and ram into the person. This guy does not try to avoid contact at all, sometimes I think he looks for it...

 

[Sportsbuck28]

I can agree with this because Hester has NO moves. His best move is to lower his shoulder and ram into the person. This guy does not try to avoid contact at all, sometimes I think he looks for it...

More like lower his head. Dude's going to end up with a fucked up neck if he keeps doing that.

 

[COTiger]

Well the thing about the RB discussion is this... Hester and Beanie both do 1 thing very well Run hard and break tackles, but there's one thing that Hester lacks to me and thats the vision and moves that Beanie can bring. Sure beanie isn't going to be breaking ankles but he does have better moves than Hester and isn't just a north/south runner like Hester IMO is.

Now that I think bout it I'd move the Safties and RB's to PUSH. I mean our safties cover a lot better but yours play the run better, and the depth of the running backs is slightly yours but I like our top end talent better.

Also thats another reason I have the LB's to OSU because Freeman did play exceptional basically all year. When James had a bad game Freeman was there to pick up the slack. I guess thats why its my opinion hu!? lol.....

If you look how I have things it sure could make for a good game if things work out how I have it ranked

it ends up being strengths on strengths really....

RB /Oline for Ohio State going against the DT's/Safties of LSU

QB/WR for LSU going against LB/DB's/DE for Ohio State

Looking at it objectively, I don't have a problem with your analysis.

I think the key to the game is how the offensive lines match up against the opposing D. I think whoever wins that battle wins the ball game.

 

[pokey]

Well the thing about the RB discussion is this... Hester and Beanie both do 1 thing very well Run hard and break tackles, but there's one thing that Hester lacks to me and thats the vision and moves that Beanie can bring. Sure beanie isn't going to be breaking ankles but he does have better moves than Hester and isn't just a north/south runner like Hester IMO is.

Now that I think bout it I'd move the Safties and RB's to PUSH. I mean our safties cover a lot better but yours play the run better, and the depth of the running backs is slightly yours but I like our top end talent better.

Also thats another reason I have the LB's to OSU because Freeman did play exceptional basically all year. When James had a bad game Freeman was there to pick up the slack. I guess thats why its my opinion hu!? lol.....

If you look how I have things it sure could make for a good game if things work out how I have it ranked

it ends up being strengths on strengths really....

RB /Oline for Ohio State going against the DT's/Safties of LSU

QB/WR for LSU going against LB/DB's/DE for Ohio State

I think we have to give Hester credit for his blocking ability against pass rushers. Beanie leaves a lot to be desired in this department. I also suspect that Hester's blocking ability is why he is utilized more than other LSU RBs. Also, if Hester goes down, LSU has an insurance policy with their stable of backs. IMHO, RBs are a push.

 

[jwinslow]

I think the light went on with Freeman. He's been a beast for the second half of the season. With Grant I agree.

The ILL game left a bit to be desired... but in general I agree that he turned it up a notch.

 

[scarletngray]

I think we have to give Hester credit for his blocking ability against pass rushers. Beanie leaves a lot to be desired in this department. I also suspect that Hester's blocking ability is why he is utilized more than other LSU RBs. Also, if Hester goes down, LSU has an insurance policy with their stable of backs. IMHO, RBs are a push.

Actually, Beanie does a pretty decent job at pass blocking, as does MO Wells.

 

[GeauxTigers99]

Well the thing about the RB discussion is this... Hester and Beanie both do 1 thing very well Run hard and break tackles, but there's one thing that Hester lacks to me and thats the vision and moves that Beanie can bring. Sure beanie isn't going to be breaking ankles but he does have better moves than Hester and isn't just a north/south runner like Hester IMO is.

Now that I think bout it I'd move the Safties and RB's to PUSH. I mean our safties cover a lot better but yours play the run better, and the depth of the running backs is slightly yours but I like our top end talent better.

Also thats another reason I have the LB's to OSU because Freeman did play exceptional basically all year. When James had a bad game Freeman was there to pick up the slack. I guess thats why its my opinion hu!? lol.....

If you look how I have things it sure could make for a good game if things work out how I have it ranked

it ends up being strengths on strengths really....

RB /Oline for Ohio State going against the DT's/Safties of LSU

QB/WR for LSU going against LB/DB's/DE for Ohio State

LOL....I didn't mean to make you re-work your whole ranking. I just thought it might have been skewed a little by some scarlet & grey glasses.

I actually agree w/ your revised matchups, except for the fact that the QB position could be more of a "push" than you realize. I like Flynn, and think he deserves to be the starter, but he HAS had some really bad games this season. :cheers:

In the end, it doesn't really matter how each position matches up I guess. The only thing that matters is how each teams opposing units match up against each other (and yeah, I laughed when I said "units").

So here's my attempt at becoming Sportcenter's next Swami:

LSU "O" vs OSU "D" -- PUSH-- in my opinion, I think this is where the game will be won or lost. OSU's defense will be a challenge that I don't believe LSU has faced all season. Extremely well disciplined, athletic, good corners, a great DE, a LB that everyone in the country knows is a game changer, and well coached. A tough task to say the least. But LSU matches that w/ playmakers all over the field at WR & RB. Doucet gets a lot of the press, but Lafell, Byrd, and Tolliver are all extremely talented as well. The key here will be if Lafell can continue his late season success and hold onto the ball. At RB we feature Hester, who you guys are all familiar with, and with who I believe you guys will have some success at stopping. He seems to be what you guys are tailored to stop, a true North/South, bruising type of running back. But what I think you'll have more trouble stopping is the rotation/fresh legs of our "speed" backs. Keiland Williams is who I believe will be our next "star" at RB, brings the total package to the table....speed, moves, and a flash of power. Charles Scott's another good one "in the making". Throw in our midget sized blur in Holliday, and another speedster in Richard Murphy, and the Buckeyes will definitely have their hands full.

OSU "O" vs LSU "D" -- Slight Edge LSU -- admittedly, I may be guilty of my own purple & gold glasses here, but I just don't see OSU being able to have a whole lot of success against a healthy LSU defense. LSU, by most accounts, has done extremely well this year when faced against a traditional "pro style" offense. Their troubles this season have come against a wide open, spread offense with a mobile QB, and that's just not something that OSU brings to the table. The key here will be whether OSU is able to establish the run w/ Beanie, or if Dorsey resorts back to early season form and completely shuts down the interior rush. Should be another good matchup for us fans to watch.

Special Teams -- Push -- While I'm not too sure about OSU's special teams, I've had the pleasure/misery of watching LSU's all season. Yes, Holliday is dangerous, but so is our coverage when we're on the defensive side of things. Colt David, our PK, is someone I'd consider "streaky", and just don't know anything about OSU's kicker.

Coaching -- Edge OSU -- C'mon, not debatable right??? Lol, as much as I've defended Miles, I really don't think this IS debatable. Tressel has proven time and time again that he's a world class coach. And until Miles can do the same, there just isn't any argument that would make sense.

Crowd -- Edge LSU -- I know you guys travel well. But don't kid yourselves, this is still NEW ORLEANS we're talking about. The crowd will be pro LSU and it will be electric!!!! Damn, I hope I can find some tickets!!!!!

Overall -- 3 point game -- Could go either way in my opinion. Both teams bring a lot to the table, and it should be one hell of a slugfest. For the first time since the announcement, I'm starting to get really excited about this one. Oh hell, who am I kidding, Gimme the........TIGERS 24-21

:cheers: