Game Thread BCS National Championship Game: tOSU 24, LSU 38 (final)

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Defensive Backs - We'll rely on our defensive line to get pressure, but I will agree, we have been passed on effectively this year, so LSU gets that advantage.

Not so sure how "effective" 148.2 ypg is, but it sure seems better than LSU's 180.8 ypg

 

[sluTiger]

As for Miles being under or over rated, I will make that opinion in 2 years if he's still at LSU, has all his class and dominates the SEC.

Anyone that know anything about LSU football would see Miles recruits all over the field on Dec 1. Williams, Perriloiux, Francois, Favorite, Woods, Beckwidth, Jones, Byrd, Tolliver, Holliday, Lefell, etc... We won the SECCG on the back of Miles recruits. I would say we are in pretty good shape over the next couple of years...

 

[Lockup]

Lsu has been a media darling for the last couple of years, partly because of the Katrina story, some of the trick plays and gambles that Miles has made, and the fact that we have been playing pretty good football. I'm not going to apoligize for that, we went many years without getting any respect in the media, playing backseat to Alabama. And rightfully so, since they kicked our butts on a pretty regular basis. But too many OSU fans take it as an insult to OSU if something good is said about LSU. Much the same as many posters here taking it as an insult to Tressell if we say we feel that Miles is under rated. Personaly I don't care what Miles did at OK St. anymore than I care about what Tressell did in Div.2. I feel that what they do at their respective schools now is the important thing because they have talent levels and schedules at least equal to their competitors. They both seem to be doing quite well.

This is complete crap!

First off I have nobody and I mean nobody on this board take any offense to anybody saying anything good about LSU. We all know LSU is a good team and can certainly win it all this year. What we don't like is when people act like OSU is some 1AA team in comparision to LSU. Now most LSU fans I have seen here have been nothing but respectful to OSU and rightfully so. Some however have either come over to start trouble or don't have a clue as to that they are talking about. As far as the national media, well I said before show me an article that says plainly LSU has no chance against OSU. You can't because they don't exist but plenty exists saying the same thing about OSU.

I am not sure who you see saying anything when somebody says Les is under-rated. What I have seen said is when some fool tried to start stuff and said Les was way better than JT. I am not even sure how you guys try and say he is under-rated. He has been at LSU for 3 years and has no more than 2 losses in each year. Some of us think he is kind of lucky givin things that have happened this year but I think he has proven to be a good coach.

As far as being a straight jacket if we had to deal with the split NC stuff...please. I guess you are unaware that we have had to deal with the late flag BS from our NCG more years ago than you. I don't see any of us in straight jackets.

 

[Tigertracker]

This is complete crap!

First off I have nobody and I mean nobody on this board take any offense to anybody saying anything good about LSU. We all know LSU is a good team and can certainly win it all this year. What we don't like is when people act like OSU is some 1AA team in comparision to LSU. Now most LSU fans I have seen here have been nothing but respectful to OSU and rightfully so. Some however have either come over to start trouble or don't have a clue as to that they are talking about. As far as the national media, well I said before show me an article that says plainly LSU has no chance against OSU. You can't because they don't exist but plenty exists saying the same thing about OSU.

I am not sure who you see saying anything when somebody says Les is under-rated. What I have seen said is when some fool tried to start stuff and said Les was way better than JT. I am not even sure how you guys try and say he is under-rated. He has been at LSU for 3 years and has no more than 2 losses in each year. Some of us think he is kind of lucky givin things that have happened this year but I think he has proven to be a good coach.

As far as being a straight jacket if we had to deal with the split NC stuff...please. I guess you are unaware that we have had to deal with the late flag BS from our NCG more years ago than you. I don't see any of us in straight jackets.

Your post is an exact example of what I am talking about. An LSU fan comes over here and expresses his opinion about the matchups and has LSU favored in most of them. He may or may not be correct, only time will tell that, but I was kind of under the impression that this was what these boards were for, expressing your opinion. you automaticaly jump to the conclusion that he thinks OSU is a div. 2 quality program. It doesn't occur to you that someone can have great respect for your football team, but think theirs is better. I would bet that you have respect for LSU, but I would also bet that you think OSU is better, that's the way it should be. Why don't you think others can feel the same about their school?
As far as Miles being under rated, I notice that you couldn't even make it through 1 paragraph without calling him lucky. It kind of reminds me of the old saying that "The harder you work, the luckier you get". He made well timed calls that were executed well in almost every instance. A couple of those calls probably put us in the NC game. Some of those calls were made neccessary by all of the injuries to our defense, we had to take some chances to keep our offense on the field. You can call it lucky if you want, I call it doing what is needed to try to win.
I do not recall reading any post that said Miles was way better than JT, or that Miles was better at all. If you would point out that post I will take them to task myself.

 

[sandgk]

To the both of you - this post by daddyphatsacs says what we all need to hear ...

One thing is sure. though coaching styles and methods are on point, you cannot debate the coaching style and risk-reward relationship of Miles' or Tressel's absent some form of context. Like the post linked suggests though, drilling over the same old ground again and again becomes redundant.

As for the pumping of each team's relative merits - it needn't become a parade of negative responses, or smack style posts, unless both parties let that happen and foster such an exchange.

 

[sluTiger]

Compairing Tressel and Miles is like comparing apples and oranges. It would make more sense to compare Tressel to Saban and Miles to Spurrier. Then you would get some comparison of comparable styles. Is Tressel superior to Miles when it comes to taking chances and being creative? No. Is Miles superior to Tressel when it comes to coaching on field discipline and NFL brand of football? No.

The real question one should ask is the following: Is the riskier brand of football played by LSU superior to a more traditional NFL style of football played by Ohio State? Basically you are seeing the clash of differing football philosophies. I would say both are elite coaches in their ability to get the most out of the player and put up wins...

 

[Lockup]

Your post is an exact example of what I am talking about. An LSU fan comes over here and expresses his opinion about the matchups and has LSU favored in most of them. He may or may not be correct, only time will tell that, but I was kind of under the impression that this was what these boards were for, expressing your opinion. you automaticaly jump to the conclusion that he thinks OSU is a div. 2 quality program. It doesn't occur to you that someone can have great respect for your football team, but think theirs is better. I would bet that you have respect for LSU, but I would also bet that you think OSU is better, that's the way it should be. Why don't you think others can feel the same about their school?
As far as Miles being under rated, I notice that you couldn't even make it through 1 paragraph without calling him lucky. It kind of reminds me of the old saying that "The harder you work, the luckier you get". He made well timed calls that were executed well in almost every instance. A couple of those calls probably put us in the NC game. Some of those calls were made neccessary by all of the injuries to our defense, we had to take some chances to keep our offense on the field. You can call it lucky if you want, I call it doing what is needed to try to win.
I do not recall reading any post that said Miles was way better than JT, or that Miles was better at all. If you would point out that post I will take them to task myself.

The LSU fan you are referring to (assuming we are talking about the same post) has proven that he has been a bit of a trouble maker including getting banned.

His opinion was nothing more than being a complete homer for his team. When he compared OSU to LSU he gave 1 slight advantage in the LB spot and either a push or advantage LSU in all others. You can call it what you want but I say that is not a fair an open minded comparision. Let's not forget either than he came onto an OSU board and made that comparsion. So imagine that most of us would have issues with it. I can assume had I gone to an LSU board and made the same comparion with the advantge to OSU like that you guys would coming out of the wood work to defend your team.

I have no issue with LSU fans making the comparsion between OSU and LSU and that they think they are better than us. That is assuming of course that it is a fair comparision. His was not fair and even some of the LSU fans here disagreed with it if I rememeber right. At the same time I have a right to call somebody out when I think they are dead wrong.

Truth be told I don't know if OSU is better than LSU. LSU is a good team who has played a tougher schedule than we have. To be honest I thought OSU was better than Florida last year but on Jan 8th at least they were not. I think OSU is better or equal in some places than LSU and some places not but overall it will have to be decided on the field as to who is the best.

As far as Miles how nice of you to point out how I said poeple feel he has been a bit lucky this year but left out the rest of the sentence where I said I felt he has proven he is a good coach. By the way some of the things he has done this year are calculated risk when they work. When they don't work they call you an idiot.They worked in his case but there is always a certain amount of luck involved when you take as many chances as he has this year. That goes for him and any other coach who does it.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Compairing Tressel and Miles is like comparing apples and oranges. It would make more sense to compare Tressel to Saban and Miles to Spurrier. Then you would get some comparison of comparable styles. Is Tressel superior to Miles when it comes to taking chances and being creative? No. Is Miles superior to Tressel when it comes to coaching on field discipline and NFL brand of football? No.

The real question one should ask is the following: Is the riskier brand of football played by LSU superior to a more traditional NFL style of football played by Ohio State? Basically you are seeing the clash of differing football philosophies. I would say both are elite coaches in their ability to get the most out of the player and put up wins...

Actually, Tressel is superior to Miles when it comes to taking chances and being creative. Tressel doesn't take the stupid risks, so that means he's superior.

 

[Nutriaitch]

The real question one should ask is the following: Is the riskier brand of football played by LSU superior to a more traditional NFL style of football played by Ohio State? Basically you are seeing the clash of differing football philosophies. I would say both are elite coaches in their ability to get the most out of the player and put up wins...

That comes down to a preferrence in styles. I don't think one is necessarily better than the other.

Actually, Tressel is superior to Miles when it comes to taking chances and being creative. Tressel doesn't take the stupid risks, so that means he's superior.

Please tell me which risks you think were "stupid" in the context of the games he took them in, and why you wouldn't have taken those risks.

 

[Lockup]

Actually, Tressel is superior to Miles when it comes to taking chances and being creative. Tressel doesn't take the stupid risks, so that means he's superior.

I am not sure I could go there. JT is not very risky but he has done a couple of things I thought was a bit to risky.

Trying the fake field goal in the 2002 NCG when we had probably the best FG kicker in the country turned out to be not such good idea. Although it worked out in the end.

Last year in the NCG going for it on 4th down when we were on like our 30 yard line was not good either. Although I did not expect Florida to be able to to stop Beanie in that situation.

Of course as I said they were only stupid because they did not work.

 

[Tigertracker]

Actually, Tressel is superior to Miles when it comes to taking chances and being creative. Tressel doesn't take the stupid risks, so that means he's superior.

I am going to make a statement that probably will get me kicked or at least accused of be a Tressell basher or some such. Do you not think that if one coach plays a much tougher schedule than the other, that he may have to take more chances during the course of a season. I believe that if you check, every team in the SEC had a higher strength of schedule rating than OSU, with the exception of Ark. Osu has to play the schedule they are dealt the same as we do, but I submit that it makes for much different coaching decisions at times. It is much easier to call a conservative game when you have much better players in most of the games. We do not have that luxury at LSU, so at times we have to take more chances.

 

[sluTiger]

I am going to make a statement that probably will get me kicked or at least accused of be a Tressell basher or some such. Do you not think that if one coach plays a much tougher schedule than the other, that he may have to take more chances during the course of a season. I believe that if you check, every team in the SEC had a higher strength of schedule rating than OSU, with the exception of Ark. Osu has to play the schedule they are dealt the same as we do, but I submit that it makes for much different coaching decisions at times. It is much easier to call a conservative game when you have much better players in most of the games. We do not have that luxury at LSU, so at times we have to take more chances.

Tiger, I think you may be on to something, but I think people are really evaluating overall pattern. What I do not think people see how conservative Miles was 2 years prior to this season. He was strongly criticized for being to conservative and not taking risk with his talent. Honestly, I just think that guy will not win the public perception fight because he is not a great public speaker. I think the difference in this year vs last is Miles has really been a gambler and that is what got him a championship. Actually I believe Miles was trying to out talent people his first two years and this year he is just letting it rip. If he looses against OSU, it will be a 10-3 season with a championship, that is not bad...

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

That comes down to a preferrence in styles. I don't think one is necessarily better than the other.



Please tell me which risks you think were "stupid" in the context of the games he took them in, and why you wouldn't have taken those risks.

Oh, how about the numerous 4th down conversions in the Florida game. The completely idiotic TD pass against Auburn. Combine those with his bad coaching moves that he's made since being at LSU (calling a time out after an INT to stop the clock for example) makes me think he's more of a bumbling doofus than somebody like Bo Schembechler going for a TD instead of a tying FG against OSU.

 

[sluTiger]

Combine those with his bad coaching moves that he's made since being at LSU (calling a time out after an INT to stop the clock for example) makes me think he's more of a bumbling doofus than somebody like Bo Schembechler going for a TD instead of a tying FG against OSU.

Oh, how about the numerous 4th down conversions in the Florida game.

Most risky was on the 50 yard line and their defense was playing very good. The majority of those risk came when the game was on the line and they were necessary to win the game.

The completely idiotic TD pass against Auburn.

Colt David was having problems kicking FGs that night. The attempt was out of David's saftey zone. David has been very shaky and did not make the same type of kick against Kentucky for the win. Miles completely outfoxed Tuberville becuase Auburn never expected the pass and it worked.

When did he call time out after an INT?

somebody like Bo Schembechler going for a TD instead of a tying FG against OSU

THANK GOD!! FEAR DAHAT!!!

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

-I'm going off of memory here, but going for it on the goal line seems like the most risky to me. I think the lead was 10 at the time, but you would know more than I would.
-It takes more than a shakey FG kicker to convince me that was a good play call. Maybe if they had gotten it called and gotten the players out there well before the 7 or 8 seconds that were left...but it was complete luck that it worked. Not luck like every team has in a game multiple times....but luck like that shouldn't have worked.

And I don't buy the outfoxed argument either. the coverage on that play was perfect. nobody got outfoxed.....it was a stupid decision that worked.

- Yeah! Time out! Time out time out....whuh?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PkJAhckABM]YouTube - Les Miles Calls Time Out[/ame]