Game Thread BCS National Championship Game: tOSU 24, LSU 38 (final)

[bukIpower]

So then here in lies the problem.... How do we nuetralize the speed advantage that they may carry to benefit our power type of talent?

Person I look at it like the Sin City movie... You have the fast little fucker (The cannibal dude) and then you have the powerful but a bit slower bad ass (who got the electric chair). You have to bring them (LSU, On defense) in close and keep them there and then hit them in the mouth time after time after time (in the movie he hand cuffed the little guy and beat him to death but that probably won't be allowed). We need to own them in the trenches, and the last thing I would want to see is us come out and try and be pass happy and play them at their game. Run Behind that line that averages 6'4" 310 and run with our RB who weighs 240. You have to somehow find a way to handicap their speed. Sure Ohio State has speed I think we're one of the faster teams in college ball but when your forte is power and running the ball you do that and make them play YOUR GAME.

 

[bucknut4life]

exactly..

running the ball will be the reason why we win this football game..

 

[Tigertracker]

Hey as Les Miles said, they are Undefeated







. . . In regulation
But again he counts O.t losses as 1/2 a piece, making them with the same record as OSU right now.

Neway, Brandon Saine, look him up, he can run a 4.34, Holliday is the only guy faster then him on LSU.
but I credit you guys for developing em, but not for going out and getting them.

Interestingly, the player you point out is a soph., and Les has been at LSU for 3 years now, well you can do the math. :-)

 

[OCBucksFan]

Coaching - Tressel is a great coach. Miles is underrated and has a great record. Tressel was outcoached last year. Miles has dominated in bowl games with a long time to prepare. Miles has better coordinators with Pelini and Crowton. Push

Ok, I have done my best to stay out of this thread til gametime, but seeing this part made me sit back and wonder what the hell you are thinking? Do you honestly believe, that a coach who went 28-21 at Oklahoma State is better than a coach who has won 5 national titles?

Miles got given a great team, Tressel got given a good team that beat a Cryami team that some still say "may have been one of the best college football teams of all time."

I am sorry, your blind homerism basically said "everything favors us, you suck" and that's just bullshit, but, I hope your players and coaches think the same way you do. Honestly, how can anyone say "we are better than you in every area, yet this will be a good game?" If you are going to come in here and pretend to want conversation then don't feed me a bowl of shit.

Here's my opinion on the subject.

QB - LSU, Boeckman has been inconsistent and unless he gets his confidence back, Beanie will have to carry the game.

RB - OSU, Hester is awesome, but Beanie has shown that when push comes to shove he can carry the team. Can you really say that about an LSU running back? The talent is there, but I have yet to see one really just run the clock and control the game, Beanie does that.

WR - Hartline and Robo are under-rated, but I think what's important here is the person throwing to them. If Todd is throwing well I will say it's a push, but if not it's in LSU's favor.

O-Line - Honestly, I Call this a push, we have a great offensive line but I think the mobile quarterback will make a big difference for LSU, our d-line will have a spy which will take a lot of pressure off of the offensive line for LSU.

D-Line - Push as well, Dorsey is a beast, but we have some weapons of our own. Ghoston can pressure and do it well.

Linebackers - Little Animal is a monster, but I will agree, this is a slight advantage to LSU.

Defensive Backs - We'll rely on our defensive line to get pressure, but I will agree, we have been passed on effectively this year, so LSU gets that advantage.

Coaching - I said above, it's an advantage to JT. Any LSU fans that can honestly say that Les Miles is a better coach than Jim Tressel has never looked at the body of work both have put together. Not just Ohio State, 5 National Titles between 1-A and 1-AA, and before anyone says "yeah, that's 1-AA" remember, they have a tournament.

Huge stadium advantage to LSU is agreed.

I am not giving a scoring prediction, I am rooting for my team and hoping they win. I am not "expecting" then to win, I am "expecting" them to come out, play their hearts out, leave everything on the field, and hopefully at the end of the night, have a few more points than the tigers.

 

[NateG]

Tressel

Theres one point saying not to bash Miles, but in no way can you compare him to Tressel. Either the argument is apples and oranges or Tressell IS way ahead of Miles.

1. He beat him in their head to head battle, and it wasnt even close-the only year since the Beli-sorry year(program in shambles thanks to Cooper) where Tress has had 4 losses in a year, (Despite the loss of 28 seniors and a record 14 players who were drafted by the NFL at the end of the 2003 campaign, Tressel guided the 2004 Buckeyes to an 8-4 record that included a win over Michigan in the regular-season finale and a victory over Oklahoma State in the MasterCard Alamo Bowl.) per his biography on Ohio State's site.

2. 3 NC appearances, and one win away, as was argued by a LSU poster, in 2 other years(2003,2005) which by that rational would put him at 5 NC appearances in 7 years. and see above notes for those 2 years.

3. In the last three years 3 of 4 losses have come by the hands of top 3 teams and two of those NC winners(#1TEX,#3PENN ST,#1FLOR) and we will see how Illinois fares in the final polls.(no unranked losses)

4. 6 of 7 against main rival(scUM), 4 of 6 against 2nd said rival (PSU) which i believe I read on here about les beating certain teams consecutively for the first time conference history.

5. 3-1 in BCS Bowl games. 1-1 outside of bcs(again read notes from point 1)

6. 4 of 7 years won big ten(2003 only bcs year-and only loss to scUM)

7. 1-0 against 1-AA teams. Though funny, a sec team(alabama, under saban) failed to do so this year.

And the way it's apples and oranges is due to length of tenure sniffing around title and bcs games.


and for window dressing.

Tressel is a four-time pick as the Division I-AA National Coach of the Year
Chevy National coach of year in 1993,1994,1997
American Football Coaches Association National Coach of the Year in 1991, 1994 and 2002
4 time DIV 1-AA champ
2 time runner up
Only 3 losing seasons EVER as head coach- including first year coaching at YSU and not once at OSU.
10 1-aa playoffs appearances in 15 seasons
a 23-6 playoff record
19 winning seasons in 22 years of head-coaching
Lee(Jim's dad) and Jim are the only father-and-son combination ever to win national championships.
And a class-act professional to boot.

Please by all means if someone would like to post Miles records I'd love to try and compare them. I just thought the stats where pretty clear that Tressel has a SLIGHT edge.

 

[OCBucksFan]

Nate, you can find his record here Les Miles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NateG]

Nate, you can find his record here Les Miles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've been reading and the main knock is to see him do what he has done on a consistant basis. Tressel has as many years at OSU as Miles has as a head coach and so we may have to wait and see what the final verdict is but I don't see how they are that comparable.

 

[Tigertracker]

Ok, I have done my best to stay out of this thread til gametime, but seeing this part made me sit back and wonder what the hell you are thinking? Do you honestly believe, that a coach who went 28-21 at Oklahoma State is better than a coach who has won 5 national titles?

Miles got given a great team, Tressel got given a good team that beat a Cryami team that some still say "may have been one of the best college football teams of all time."

I am sorry, your blind homerism basically said "everything favors us, you suck" and that's just bullshit, but, I hope your players and coaches think the same way you do. Honestly, how can anyone say "we are better than you in every area, yet this will be a good game?" If you are going to come in here and pretend to want conversation then don't feed me a bowl of shit.

Here's my opinion on the subject.

QB - LSU, Boeckman has been inconsistent and unless he gets his confidence back, Beanie will have to carry the game.

RB - OSU, Hester is awesome, but Beanie has shown that when push comes to shove he can carry the team. Can you really say that about an LSU running back? The talent is there, but I have yet to see one really just run the clock and control the game, Beanie does that.

WR - Hartline and Robo are under-rated, but I think what's important here is the person throwing to them. If Todd is throwing well I will say it's a push, but if not it's in LSU's favor.

O-Line - Honestly, I Call this a push, we have a great offensive line but I think the mobile quarterback will make a big difference for LSU, our d-line will have a spy which will take a lot of pressure off of the offensive line for LSU.

D-Line - Push as well, Dorsey is a beast, but we have some weapons of our own. Ghoston can pressure and do it well.

Linebackers - Little Animal is a monster, but I will agree, this is a slight advantage to LSU.

Defensive Backs - We'll rely on our defensive line to get pressure, but I will agree, we have been passed on effectively this year, so LSU gets that advantage.

Coaching - I said above, it's an advantage to JT. Any LSU fans that can honestly say that Les Miles is a better coach than Jim Tressel has never looked at the body of work both have put together. Not just Ohio State, 5 National Titles between 1-A and 1-AA, and before anyone says "yeah, that's 1-AA" remember, they have a tournament.

Huge stadium advantage to LSU is agreed.

I am not giving a scoring prediction, I am rooting for my team and hoping they win. I am not "expecting" then to win, I am "expecting" them to come out, play their hearts out, leave everything on the field, and hopefully at the end of the night, have a few more points than the tigers.

I have read a lot of the posts here, and I cannot recall any LSU fan saying that Miles was a better coach than Tressell. I have seen a lot of them, including myself that have said that Tressell was a fine coach but we feel that Miles is under rated. If you want to take offense at that, so be it. Some of you need to shake this inferiority complex you have about the SEC or anything that isn't OSU. If some of you would have had to deal with the stuff we LSU fans had to endure about the so called Split NC with USC, you would all be in straight jackets. Lighten up, everyone else seems to give you more respect than you give yourselves.

 

[NateG]

Lighten up, everyone else seems to give you more respect than you give yourselves.

I'm sorry but I don't see this as true because of what friends and family outside of columbus have told me the perception of Ohio State is and from what 90-95% of the media states.(including fan polls, etc.)

 

[OCBucksFan]

I have read a lot of the posts here, and I cannot recall any LSU fan saying that Miles was a better coach than Tressell. I have seen a lot of them, including myself that have said that Tressell was a fine coach but we feel that Miles is under rated. If you want to take offense at that, so be it. Some of you need to shake this inferiority complex you have about the SEC or anything that isn't OSU. If some of you would have had to deal with the stuff we LSU fans had to endure about the so called Split NC with USC, you would all be in straight jackets. Lighten up, everyone else seems to give you more respect than you give yourselves.

I agree, but I quoted the guy who said it. Most of you guys have been great, I just thought #1LSUFANEVER came in and basically gave points to everyone and wanted a response. I never said anything about inferiority complex or whatever, I just felt that saying every advantage in the game was LSU or PUSH was a load of crap. It's not that he's not being pro-OSU, it's that he's basically coming in, and in a round about way, talking trash. Sorry, I am not dealing with that.

And I realize about the LSU/USC bullshit, you can find a lot of threads about it here, and everyone with half a brain who isn't an SC fan knows you guys won that NC, it's a shame that people like Colin Coward seem to feel that USC won when LSU took home the crystal football.

As for Miles being under or over rated, I will make that opinion in 2 years if he's still at LSU, has all his class and dominates the SEC. If that's the case, i will sit back and say "hey, I am glad that guy didn't come to Michigan, he's a damned good coach, I was wrong" but right now...

 

[Gatorubet]

I agree, but I quoted the guy who said it. Most of you guys have been great, I just thought #1LSUFANEVER came in and basically gave points to everyone and wanted a response. I never said anything about inferiority complex or whatever, I just felt that saying every advantage in the game was LSU or PUSH was a load of crap. It's not that he's not being pro-OSU, it's that he's basically coming in, and in a round about way, talking trash. Sorry, I am not dealing with that.

And I realize about the LSU/USC bullshit, you can find a lot of threads about it here, and everyone with half a brain who isn't an SC fan knows you guys won that NC, it's a shame that people like Colin Coward seem to feel that USC won when LSU took home the crystal football.

As for Miles being under or over rated, I will make that opinion in 2 years if he's still at LSU, has all his class and dominates the SEC. If that's the case, i will sit back and say "hey, I am glad that guy didn't come to Michigan, he's a damned good coach, I was wrong" but right now...

Yep. Petrino with LSU's talent might be scary.

 

[Tigertracker]

I'm sorry but I don't see this as true because of what friends and family outside of columbus have told me the perception of Ohio State is and from what 90-95% of the media states.(including fan polls, etc.)

Lsu has been a media darling for the last couple of years, partly because of the Katrina story, some of the trick plays and gambles that Miles has made, and the fact that we have been playing pretty good football. I'm not going to apoligize for that, we went many years without getting any respect in the media, playing backseat to Alabama. And rightfully so, since they kicked our butts on a pretty regular basis. But too many OSU fans take it as an insult to OSU if something good is said about LSU. Much the same as many posters here taking it as an insult to Tressell if we say we feel that Miles is under rated. Personaly I don't care what Miles did at OK St. anymore than I care about what Tressell did in Div.2. I feel that what they do at their respective schools now is the important thing because they have talent levels and schedules at least equal to their competitors. They both seem to be doing quite well.

 

[Tigertracker]

As for Miles being under or over rated, I will make that opinion in 2 years if he's still at LSU, has all his class and dominates the SEC. If that's the case, i will sit back and say "hey, I am glad that guy didn't come to Michigan, he's a damned good coach, I was wrong" but right now...

So far Miles recruiting classes have been as good or better than Saban's were, so I am not looking for a talent drop. But you bring up an interesting point. To demonstrate the lack of respect that Miles seems to get, consider this. Many people are of the same opinion you have about waiting to see if he can win with his own recruits. But when Saban won the NC and then bolted for the NFL, everyone talked about what a great recruiter and coach he was (And he was excellent at both) but no one pointed out that he won the NC mostly with Gerry Dinardo's recruits. Gerry turned out not to be a very good coach for us, but he was a damn good recruiter, our cupboard was far from bare when Saban took over. So the impression seems to be that Saban was a genius, and Miles is a "Wack job" to quote a poster here, even though Miles has a better won/loss record.

 

[pokey]

But too many OSU fans take it as an insult to OSU if something good is said about LSU. Much the same as many posters here taking it as an insult to Tressell if we say we feel that Miles is under rated. Personaly I don't care what Miles did at OK St. anymore than I care about what Tressell did in Div.2. I feel that what they do at their respective schools now is the important thing because they have talent levels and schedules at least equal to their competitors. They both seem to be doing quite well.

What is amusing about human behavior is that the more people argue about a point, the more they believe they are right. Certainty increases because of the fire created from an argument, instead of any new light shed on the subject. I am talking about both sides here. I am not sure that Tressel is a better coach than Miles. But I suspect it to be the case, based on their historical accomplishments. Maybe Miles will write a new chapter in history and we will need to re-evaluate him. And maybe he won't. We just have to wait and see.

 

[lvbuckeye]

LSU beat Saban's Mich.St. team pretty badly in a bowl game just before we hired him.

actually, LSU beat Mich St in the Independence Bowl in Saban's FIRST year at Sparty (1995), NOT just before you hired him (2000)... thanks for playing though...