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BB73 said:
ESPN is pulling their name from Coaches Poll, since the votes aren't public, except for the last week's. They have so much integrity. :tongue2:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the votes kept from the public the entire time ESPN had its name attached to the coaches poll? Suddenly, that's an issue for them?

Looks like they're already getting their money's worth from that new ombudsman. The times, they are a-changin'. :ohwell:
 
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so, with the debacle that the BCS has become, we are back exactly where we were 50 years ago... you can have multiple Champions, or shared Titles, but the one that REALLY counts is the AP title... am i right? i mean, people say that Ohio State only has 5 Titles because 2 weren't AP, and therefore don't count... the coaches Poll used to be the UPI, which was definitely a viable means to claim a Title; but it looks like that poll cannot be construed to be an accurate picture of the top 25, since we already know that the coaches in the SEC etc. are using the extra weight of the 12 team conferences to skew the results ... what a bunch of arbitrary horseshit!

i don't give a shit if we play in the Motor City Bowl, or NO BOWL! if the AP names us #1, we're the National Champs...

this is a joke... i'm going to start saying that the Bucks were the 1998 National Champs, because hey! Jeff Sagarin said they were the best that year...
 
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lvbuckeye said:
... you can have multiple Champions, or shared Titles, but the one that REALLY counts is the AP title... am i right?...

Most media count both the AP and former-UPI-now-coaches polls. Our five generally-recognized national titles are:

1942: AP (UPI/coaches didn't exist yet)
1954: AP
1957: UPI/coaches
1968: AP and UPI/coaches
2002: AP and UPI/coaches

Of course, the university itself also recognizes national titles from 1961 (Football Writers Association of America) and 1970 (National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame), which were awarded before bowl games.
 
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I'm sure that ESPN wanted the votes public so that they could spend time on SportsCenter with great college football coverage like this:

Stu - Hey'all, we're back at SportsCenter, and ready to give ya' all the inside dope on how the coaches voted. So let's go over to a couple of dopes on the inside, Trev and Mark... guys?

Trev - Thanks, Stu. By the way, is that short for Stupid? OK, let's first look at how the 'ol ball coach ranked the teams. Stevie's got his 3-4 'Cocks as #1, followed by the entire Sun Belt conference, then all the WAC teams except for Boise St. and Fresno St. Then he's got some teams from the BCS conferences: Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Duke. Then he's got the 3 teams that already beat his South Carolina squad, Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn. He rounds out his top 25 with USC and Ohio State. Whaddya think, Mark?

Mark - I think I've got a couple of Super Bowl rings and I just got voted into the College Football Hall of Fame.

Trev - Thanks for reminding us, but I was talking about Coach Spurrier's voting.

Mark - Oh, I see. Well, you've gotta love those Sun Belt teams. I mean Troy went on the road to beat powerhouse Missouri for the second straight year, and we all know how strong the Big 12 North is.

Trev - You don't have to tell me, Mark. I played at Nebraska.

Mark - Was that back when they had winning records?

Trev - You bet. I won the Butkus, you know. And I graduated just before the team won back-to-back NC's.

Mark - I guess things worked out for them after they dropped some dead weight. How'd that Pro career work out, Trev?

Trev - Back to college football. How can Spurrier rank Troy in the top-10 when they've lost 3 times, including a 42-10 beatdown from South Carolina?

Mark - Well, on his ballot, that's a loss to #1 South Carolina.

Trev - OK. But how can he not rank Tennessee, who only has the 1 loss at Death Valley, and beat Florida in The Swamp?

Mark - Well, Spurrier knows that Florida will never be as good as back when he was the man there. And since South Carolina is playing in Knoxville this week, I think he just likes sticking it to Phat Phil. Remember "You can't spell Citrus without UT?"

Trev - I remember that. So you're telling me you think his rankings are Ok?

Mark - I can see why he voted for all those teams, yes.

Trev - Well, at least you're making me look smart by comparison. Let's move on to Mack Brown's voting. He's got Texas #1, followed by Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech and then a 2-5 Baylor team. Then he's got the entire Big-12 North from 7 thru 12, followed by the whole Sun Belt. Then he's got Indiana, Duke, Vanderbilt, USC and Ohio State rounding out the top-25.

Mark - That's 2 coaches who have USC and Ohio State back-to-back at 24/25, so it's hard to argue with.

Trev - They're both undefeated, Mark. Ohio State beat Texas 31-17. How can Texas be #1 and Ohio State #25?

Mark - That was a night game at the Big House.

Trev - The 'Shoe.

Mark - Bless you.

Trev - The Horseshoe is the stadium in Columbus, I didn't sneeze, you moron.

Mark - Those road games at night are tough. I think you're just kissing up to all those Buckeye fans who send in those nasty e-mails. Texas dominated La-Lafayette, and they ate Rice for lunch.

Trev - I guess if that had been a night game, it would have been tougher to eat them for dinner.

Mark - No, because that was a home game for Texas. Pay attention, Trev! And since Texas finally won the Red River shootout, they've gotta be #1!

Trev - Can't you see that Mack Brown is just manipulating the rankings to try to get 2 Big-12 teams in the BCS bowls?

Mark - That couldn't happen. This system has too much integrity.

Trev - Let's move on to Jim Tressel's rankings. He's got USC, Ohio State, LSU, Michigan, Miami, all undefeated teams in the top-5; followed by Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Iowa. Let's just talk about his top-10 for now.

Mark - Well all he's done is gone with the preseason poll, and moved up teams that win while moving down teams that lose.

Trev - Doesn't that seem reasonable?

Mark - Not really. Where's Pitt?

Trev - It's in Western PA, in case you forgot. But they lost at home to Notre Dame in Wanny's opener, and then got beat by Callahan's wonderful West Coast offense in Lincoln, or have you forgotten that game?

Mark - I'm trying, but you mention it every half hour. Speaking of mentioning something every half hour, it's time to remind our viewers about the problems at Ohio State. Remember their starting QB missed the opener because of that booster thing. And Maurice Clarett said that there was a bunch of other bad stuff going on over there. And where there's smoke there's fire.

Mike Tirico - Sorry to barge in guys, but our ombudsman is telling me that I must let the viewers know that 2 NCAA investigations didn't find any truth to Clarett's allegations, and Myles Brand himself said that Ohio State's compliance program was a model of how things should be run.

Mark - Myles who?

Trev - NCAA President Myles Brand. Any other comments on Coach Tressel's voting?

Mark - I don't like his sweater vest. And Iowa's the best team in the Big 10.

Trev - I'd like to agree with that, but Iowa lost to the Buckeyes 28-17.

Mark - Look at those Ohio State scores. They're only scoring 31 points, 28 points. My Pitt team put up 51 on Youngstown State!

Trev - They're not a Division IA football school.

Mark - Yeah, but we can count that win toward qualifying for the Emerald Nut Bowl.

Trev - Speaking of nuts, I think we've listened to you long enough. Let's go back to Stuart Scott.

Stu - Thanks, guys. Tomorrow we'll talk about who Philip Fulmer, Bobby Bowden, Larry Coker, and Bob Stoops voted for, and who they didn't vote for. College football coverage at it's best. Boo-yeah!
 
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Classic!

I am at a complete loss over this whole BCS/poll thing. It's getting to the point where some programmer-geek in Providence, RI will singelhandedly have the power to decide who wins the National championship by how he sets up his computer poll.

Here's to hoping OSU has a strong programming school.......
 
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BB73 said:
I'm sure that ESPN wanted the votes public so that they could spend time on SportsCenter with great college football coverage like this:

Stu - Hey'all, we're back at SportsCenter, and ready to give ya' all the inside dope on how the coaches voted. So let's go over to a couple of dopes on the inside, Trev and Mark... guys?

Trev - Thanks, Stu. By the way, is that short for Stupid? OK, let's first look at how the 'ol ball coach ranked the teams. Stevie's got his 3-4 'Cocks as #1, followed by the entire Sun Belt conference, then all the WAC teams except for Boise St. and Fresno St. Then he's got some teams from the BCS conferences: Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Duke. Then he's got the 3 teams that already beat his South Carolina squad, Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn. He rounds out his top 25 with USC and Ohio State. Whaddya think, Mark?

Mark - I think I've got a couple of Super Bowl rings and I just got voted into the College Football Hall of Fame.

Trev - Thanks for reminding us, but I was talking about Coach Spurrier's voting.

Mark - Oh, I see. Well, you've gotta love those Sun Belt teams. I mean Troy went on the road to beat powerhouse Missouri for the second straight year, and we all know how strong the Big 12 North is.

Trev - You don't have to tell me, Mark. I played at Nebraska.

Mark - Was that back when they had winning records?

Trev - You bet. I won the Butkus, you know. And I graduated just before the team won back-to-back NC's.

Mark - I guess things worked out for them after they dropped some dead weight. How'd that Pro career work out, Trev?

Trev - Back to college football. How can Spurrier rank Troy in the top-10 when they've lost 3 times, including a 42-10 beatdown from South Carolina?

Mark - Well, on his ballot, that's a loss to #1 South Carolina.

Trev - OK. But how can he not rank Tennessee, who only has the 1 loss at Death Valley, and beat Florida in The Swamp?

Mark - Well, Spurrier knows that Florida will never be as good as back when he was the man there. And since South Carolina is playing in Knoxville this week, I think he just likes sticking it to Phat Phil. Remember "You can't spell Citrus without UT?"

Trev - I remember that. So you're telling me you think his rankings are Ok?

Mark - I can see why he voted for all those teams, yes.

Trev - Well, at least you're making me look smart by comparison. Let's move on to Mack Brown's voting. He's got Texas #1, followed by Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech and then a 2-5 Baylor team. Then he's got the entire Big-12 North from 7 thru 12, followed by the whole Sun Belt. Then he's got Indiana, Duke, Vanderbilt, USC and Ohio State rounding out the top-25.

Mark - That's 2 coaches who have USC and Ohio State back-to-back at 24/25, so it's hard to argue with.

Trev - They're both undefeated, Mark. Ohio State beat Texas 31-17. How can Texas be #1 and Ohio State #25?

Mark - That was a night game at the Big House.

Trev - The 'Shoe.

Mark - Bless you.

Trev - The Horseshoe is the stadium in Columbus, I didn't sneeze, you moron.

Mark - Those road games at night are tough. I think you're just kissing up to all those Buckeye fans who send in those nasty e-mails. Texas dominated La-Lafayette, and they ate Rice for lunch.

Trev - I guess if that had been a night game, it would have been tougher to eat them for dinner.

Mark - No, because that was a home game for Texas. Pay attention, Trev! And since Texas finally won the Red River shootout, they've gotta be #1!

Trev - Can't you see that Mack Brown is just manipulating the rankings to try to get 2 Big-12 teams in the BCS bowls?

Mark - That couldn't happen. This system has too much integrity.

Trev - Let's move on to Jim Tressel's rankings. He's got USC, Ohio State, LSU, Michigan, Miami, all undefeated teams in the top-5; followed by Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Iowa. Let's just talk about his top-10 for now.

Mark - Well all he's done is gone with the preseason poll, and moved up teams that win while moving down teams that lose.

Trev - Doesn't that seem reasonable?

Mark - Not really. Where's Pitt?

Trev - It's in Western PA, in case you forgot. But they lost at home to Notre Dame in Wanny's opener, and then got beat by Callahan's wonderful West Coast offense in Lincoln, or have you forgotten that game?

Mark - I'm trying, but you mention it every half hour. Speaking of mentioning something every half hour, it's time to remind our viewers about the problems at Ohio State. Remember their starting QB missed the opener because of that booster thing. And Maurice Clarett said that there was a bunch of other bad stuff going on over there. And where there's smoke there's fire.

Mike Tirico - Sorry to barge in guys, but our ombudsman is telling me that I must let the viewers know that 2 NCAA investigations didn't find any truth to Clarett's allegations, and Myles Brand himself said that Ohio State's compliance program was a model of how things should be run.

Mark - Myles who?

Trev - NCAA President Myles Brand. Any other comments on Coach Tressel's voting?

Mark - I don't like his sweater vest. And Iowa's the best team in the Big 10.

Trev - I'd like to agree with that, but Iowa lost to the Buckeyes 28-17.

Mark - Look at those Ohio State scores. They're only scoring 31 opints, 28 points. My Pitt team put up 51 on Youngstown State!

Trev - They're not a Division IA football school.

Mark - Yeah, but we can count that win toward qualifying for the Emerald Nut Bowl.

Trev - Speaking of nuts, I think we've listened to you long enough. Let's go back to Stuart Scott.

Stu - Thanks, guys. Tomorrow we'll talk about who Philip Fulmer, Bobby Bowden, Larry Coker, and Bob Stoops voted for, and who they didn't vote for. College football coverage at it's best. Boo-yeah!
:lol:

That's the funniest, and most creative, post I've seen on this site.

:bow:
 
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Zurp said:
The problem that I have with making coach's polls public is when a specific team finds out how their coach voted. If JT picks OSU #5 and Texas #2 the week before Texas, what is he telling his players? It's one thing to tell your players to work hard and play hard and not let up because the other team isn't going to take it easy, and isn't going to let up. That's motivating your team. But when everyone knows that you are publicly stating that you believe the other team is better than your team, I think that's offensive to your team. How can a team respect their coach, when they don't believe he respects them?
i seem to recall a guy by the name of mr. rose getting booted out of his sport for life over something not to dissimilar...

add me to the list of people who thinks this is a horrible idea. in the end it will cause more favoratism and questionable voting than we had before because coaches will be forced to pick the teams that the public 'likes" and not necissarily the ones that should get the votes.
 
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martinss01 said:
i seem to recall a guy by the name of mr. rose getting booted out of his sport for life over something not to dissimilar...
I don't know any Mr. Rose.

I guess I already posted my opinion on this thread. Shows how good of a remembery I have, eh? My opinion stands... a coach/player/AD/etc. should never publicly state that he thinks that week's opponent is the better team.
 
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The new BCS Poll (Harris Interactive) won't get its first rankings until Sept. 25th. Voters are being determined, and their names will be released. it looks like it will optional for the voters in this poll to publish their votes.

sportsline.com

NEW YORK -- The Bowl Championship Series has a new poll, one that begins a month into the college football season and will include former coaches and players, plus media members.

Called the Harris Interactive College Football Poll, it will rank the top 25 teams on a weekly basis, starting Sept. 25, the BCS said Monday. Plans call for 114 voters.
The BCS has said it wanted to eliminate preseason polls, which some believe give highly touted teams an unfair headstart in the rankings.

"This allows for some games to be played in the current season rather than allow teams to be ranked purely on preseason expectations," BCS coordinator and Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg said Monday during a conference call.

The season's first BCS standings will be released Oct. 17.
The new poll replaces The Associated Press poll, which the BCS had used in its formula for ranking teams since 1998. Last season, however, the AP told the BCS it could no longer use its media poll.

In addition to the new poll, the BCS will continue to use the USA Today coaches' poll and a compilation of six computer rankings - each counting for one-third of a team's grade. The coaches will continue with a preseason ballot.

Recently, ESPN pulled out of participating in the coaches poll.

The coaches agreed to have their final ballots made public for the first time this season. The new Harris poll will take the same approach, releasing only the final ballots.

"We thought it was important for there to be consistency with the two human polls," Weiberg said. "To make the ballots public on a weekly basis during the season, we feel the focus would be on who voted for whom and detract from the games being playing."

Weiberg said voters in the new poll will be allowed to make their votes public at any point in the season if they choose.

The AP preseason poll will be released Aug. 20, with the first regular-season poll Sept. 6. The AP national champion will be crowned after the Rose Bowl on Jan. 4. Ballots of AP poll voters are made public all season.

Last season, Southern California and Oklahoma held the top two spots in both the AP and coaches' polls in the preseason and kept those positions throughout undefeated regular seasons.

Auburn, which began the season ranked in the teens in the polls, went unbeaten but never could pass the Trojans and Sooners. The Tigers did manage to tie Oklahoma in the AP poll for one week late in the season.

All three teams finished the regular season unbeaten and USC and Oklahoma played for the national title in the Orange Bowl. Auburn went to the Sugar Bowl, finished the season 13-0 and had to settle for a final ranking of No. 2 behind national champion USC.

Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville said the preseason rankings put his team at a disadvantage because they had too much ground to make up in the BCS standings before games were even played.

Harris Interactive Inc., a marketing company hired by the BCS last month to coordinate the new poll, is in the process of compiling a panel from 300 possible participants. Voters' names will be made public and all 11 Division I-A conferences and independent teams will be represented in the panel.

Each conference nominated 10 people to be placed into a pool of possible poll voters.

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Anything that starts to take the focus off pre season polls is a good thing. This coupled with giving equal weight to the computer polls certainly makes the new BCS poll look the most objective to me.

Can't wait to hear all the sportswriters get their panties in a bunch when the BCS poll tells them something they don't want to hear.
 
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With this new poll starting Sept. 25th, it'll be interesting to see how it compares to the AP poll which starts a month earlier. Especially if USC would somehow squeak out a close win while another top 5-caliber team has a quality win (like OSU over Texas).
 
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This won't change a damn thing. As much as I wish it would, all these voters are still going to monitoring the AP poll, and all the magazines, etc., and their top 25 is gonna line up exactly the same.

I hope this isn't the case, but after the years and years of bullshit, I just don't have any faith.
 
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Zurp said:
I don't know any Mr. Rose.

I guess I already posted my opinion on this thread. Shows how good of a remembery I have, eh? My opinion stands... a coach/player/AD/etc. should never publicly state that he thinks that week's opponent is the better team.
i was agreeing with you :wink:. mr. rose = pete rose. only difference is he tried to make a little profit off of it. not that im trying to trivialize what he did. much to the contrary actually. i find it amazing that we are forcing coaches to do something that is blatantly wrong.

fka, as much as the media complained about split nc's. this will only make them more likely. as there will be the bcs champ and the unrecognized media champ. which in the end is what the media really wanted to begin with. just another way for them to drum up more drama and cause problems.
 
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