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Muck
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Why in the world would you want to rebuild a conference that has already proven unable to survive in the modern era? Those demographic problems that destroyed the SWC haven't gone away. If anything they've grown.
The same thing that killed the SWC is now destroying the B12 and people want to double down on it? That is the very definition of insanity.
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The big problem the SWC had was Arkansas bailing for the SEC in 1992, leaving the SWC with a one state, eight team league, which also happened to coincide with the Oilers and Cowboys becoming really good, which siphoned the two major markets where half the conference just happened to be on probation and banned from television (TCU, SMU, Rice, and Houston). When SMU finally received the death penalty, that was the end of the party. RC Slocum at A&M personally met with SEC Commissioner Roy Kramer, while UT looked to bolt for the Pac-10. Gov Ann Richards and Lt Gov Bob Bullock (both Baylor grads) blocked the moves, having required Baylor and Texas Tech get homes if the SWC dissolved.
The biggest issue was that the SWC had too many private schools and schools located in redundant markets. With A&M now out and Rice non-competitive, bringing Houston back is likely not an issue. The question is if UH is the eleventh team, who would be the twelfth? Big 12 needs to go east or west with the other selection. Since Louisville and Utah now have homes, the most likely candidates consistent with who they were looking at 20 years ago are East Carolina, Cincinnati, or Colorado St. Maybe BYU and Boise are options today, I don't know.
Heck, they could take four of them and go to 14. Instead of 4 power conferences with 16 teams, it looks like we're on the way to 5 power conferences with 14 teams.
The biggest issue was that the SWC had too many private schools and schools located in redundant markets. With A&M now out and Rice non-competitive, bringing Houston back is likely not an issue. The question is if UH is the eleventh team, who would be the twelfth? Big 12 needs to go east or west with the other selection. Since Louisville and Utah now have homes, the most likely candidates consistent with who they were looking at 20 years ago are East Carolina, Cincinnati, or Colorado St. Maybe BYU and Boise are options today, I don't know.
Heck, they could take four of them and go to 14. Instead of 4 power conferences with 16 teams, it looks like we're on the way to 5 power conferences with 14 teams.
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Muck
Enjoy Every Sandwich
Uh-huh, and adding UC wouldn't drain money from the B1G. UT already has more eyeballs in Houston than UH ever will.
Splitting the Texas pie into too many pieces was a death sentence 25 years ago and it's a death sentence today. Adding TCU was a strategic error & adding Houston would just compound that mistake. If the B12 wants to survive another 50 years it's going to have to grow outside it's borders.
Unfortunately for them there are no candidates that actually bring more money than they take.
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No, the Big XII is a mid major conference with one power football team, Oklahoma, and one power basketball team, Kansas. Texas' goose was cooked once Aggy went to the SEC and became the premier Texas Power - their only chance at regaining power status is to go to another conference, but their arrogance keeps them from doing it.
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I don't know if I'd go as far as saying TCU was a strategic error (though insofar as everything is done for the benefit of UT... it's been a huge blunder). They've added value to the conference in recent years at least, and they were consistently competitive as a mid-major. I don't think they can afford to add another Texas school... but at 5 - 4 in conference - they're not far off from California with 4.
It seems the bigger error was allowing Louisville to walk and join the ACC. They had an opportunity to go with TCU, WVU, Louisville, and Cinci or BYU... instead, now they're stuck. And the most attractive option is to endorse a 6th P5 program in state.
And if we really want to get into it, the strategic error was driving away 4 core institutions -- all flagships, and all in AAU at the time. They replaced TAMU with TCU... downgrade in alumni, academics, market, and stability. Upgrade in performance.
They replaced Missouri with WVU... downgrade in alumni, academics, market, stability, and athletic performance.
They lost CU and Nebraska outright. The former is an outstanding school. The latter not so much. But both offered markets -- esp CU -- even when they were shit. CSU in Ft Collins will never deliver Denver Metro like CU - Boulder, and will always be second fiddle to CU in-state.
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OHSportsFan
Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
Instead of a BIGXII title game, what is stopping them from teaming up with the American Conference and playing a interconference Championship game? One more chance to pit top 25 teams against each other to showcase
Maybe one extra win against the American champion (Houston) would have been enough had Baylor hypothetically remained at one-loss (Or heck, even Houston sitting at 12-1). Shoot, play it on a Friday so that Army-Navy can still have this weekend. There wasn't sh*t on for sports last night.
edit - derp. my drunken idea is ruined if Navy wins the American.
Maybe one extra win against the American champion (Houston) would have been enough had Baylor hypothetically remained at one-loss (Or heck, even Houston sitting at 12-1). Shoot, play it on a Friday so that Army-Navy can still have this weekend. There wasn't sh*t on for sports last night.
edit - derp. my drunken idea is ruined if Navy wins the American.
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TampaBuckeyes
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Need to add a ".....then continued to cry about not being in the playoffs". Would have been one thing if Msu shut him up.
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Crump's brother
Moxahala Park Carnie/ Rehoboth Strangler
I've mentioned this before, albeit much more sober than you were at the time you wrote this. I like it because it admits that these schools aren't worthy, and it makes it funnier if they STILL don't get in.
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TampaBuckeyes
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Yay for brain damage. Seriously though I remember seeing that hit real time and I thought he was out for the game. Felt so bad for him. Then they showed it like 5 more times on replay. Real speed looked a lot worse than replay.Never gets old
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