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By that logic, there is no talent at LSU.
Indiana did not win any games in their own division and only won one game in the B1G, beating the bottom team of the other division, Purdue.
Indiana beat Missouri at Missouri. Miisouri also lost at home 34-0 against Georgia.
It's not debatable. No talent at Missouri, and as they won their division, no talent in the SEC East.
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freelancewirter
Freshman
Before I jump over to the introduction thread let me share just a few things.
First of all, my comments aren't elicited due to the original posters fandom, or his allegiance. They're intended to interject some truth into this conversation.
The Alabama base defense has been a 3-4, over/under scheme since day one. How often the Tide comes out in its base is dependent entirely on the team it faces.
The original poster characterizes this defense as one playing four defensive linemen and two linebackers. Simply not the case. You will see four down linemen, but one of those is going to be a linebacker playing the line of scrimmage. The front three, specifically the NT, is still going to be playing a 0 technique most of the times; occasionally shading over and playing a 1 technique. The additional linebacker on the line is going to be either the SAM or JACK, depending on down, distance, and offensive front. It'll change constantly: consistently.
The suggestion that blitz packages are based on down is as much of a fallacy as ascribing the scheme as a 4-2-5. The suggestion you need to watch the inside backers or the slot defensive back in blitzing situations? Another analysis that's simply wrong. The position that has blitzed the most often in 2014 has come from the JACK linebacker. Assuming there is a need to blitz in this game (and we won't know until we see what kind of pressure is generated from the four down linemen) it's going to come from safeties, corners, WILL and SAM linebackers, and the aforementioned JACK.
As to success against the secondary here's an important note. Over half of the touchdowns thrown against the Tide secondary have come on third down, the majority of those on third and long, and the vast majority of those when the QB is able to scramble and make a completion on the move.
I can't begin to guess how much you guys follow B1G action in bowl games. If you do, at all, you've already realized that the statement B1G offensive lines have given SEC teams fits in bowl games is another misnomer.
OSU's game against Arkansas featured one of the most balanced attacks a B1G team has presented against an SEC team. Sparty against the 'Dawgs in the 2012 season was extremely pass heavy. While the other games were balanced, there was an edge in each going to the passing game.
There are many keys to this game in my eyes. One of the largest, in my opinion, is red zone defense.
If you look at the numbers you'll find Tide opponents have been in the red zone 40 times and scored 33 of those trips. On the other hand, OSU has allowed opponents in the red zone 37 times and there have been 31 scores.
That seems fairly even, until...
Of the 31 scores in the red zone against OSU 26 have been touchdowns: @ 70%. Ranked opponents have scored six of eight trips.
Of the 33 scores against the Tide, 15 of those accounted for six points; 45%.
Small details like that, ignored by a lot of fans, can easily sway a game by 7-10 points in the end.
First of all, my comments aren't elicited due to the original posters fandom, or his allegiance. They're intended to interject some truth into this conversation.
The Alabama base defense has been a 3-4, over/under scheme since day one. How often the Tide comes out in its base is dependent entirely on the team it faces.
The original poster characterizes this defense as one playing four defensive linemen and two linebackers. Simply not the case. You will see four down linemen, but one of those is going to be a linebacker playing the line of scrimmage. The front three, specifically the NT, is still going to be playing a 0 technique most of the times; occasionally shading over and playing a 1 technique. The additional linebacker on the line is going to be either the SAM or JACK, depending on down, distance, and offensive front. It'll change constantly: consistently.
The suggestion that blitz packages are based on down is as much of a fallacy as ascribing the scheme as a 4-2-5. The suggestion you need to watch the inside backers or the slot defensive back in blitzing situations? Another analysis that's simply wrong. The position that has blitzed the most often in 2014 has come from the JACK linebacker. Assuming there is a need to blitz in this game (and we won't know until we see what kind of pressure is generated from the four down linemen) it's going to come from safeties, corners, WILL and SAM linebackers, and the aforementioned JACK.
As to success against the secondary here's an important note. Over half of the touchdowns thrown against the Tide secondary have come on third down, the majority of those on third and long, and the vast majority of those when the QB is able to scramble and make a completion on the move.
I can't begin to guess how much you guys follow B1G action in bowl games. If you do, at all, you've already realized that the statement B1G offensive lines have given SEC teams fits in bowl games is another misnomer.
OSU's game against Arkansas featured one of the most balanced attacks a B1G team has presented against an SEC team. Sparty against the 'Dawgs in the 2012 season was extremely pass heavy. While the other games were balanced, there was an edge in each going to the passing game.
There are many keys to this game in my eyes. One of the largest, in my opinion, is red zone defense.
If you look at the numbers you'll find Tide opponents have been in the red zone 40 times and scored 33 of those trips. On the other hand, OSU has allowed opponents in the red zone 37 times and there have been 31 scores.
That seems fairly even, until...
Of the 31 scores in the red zone against OSU 26 have been touchdowns: @ 70%. Ranked opponents have scored six of eight trips.
Of the 33 scores against the Tide, 15 of those accounted for six points; 45%.
Small details like that, ignored by a lot of fans, can easily sway a game by 7-10 points in the end.
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Aubie414
Rookie
You are right.... you broke it down technically very well.... but 3 really big guys and one linebacker that is too big to do pretty much anything else but rush is a 4 man defensive line to me no matter how Saban writes it on the official depth chart.
In the Terrance Cody days, that rushing linebacker or the JACK LINEBACKER was a fast Clay Matthews type when it was what I looked at as a true 3-4 with a huge run stopping nose tackle... but still, technically, you are correct because on paper, this is how they present it :)
I am a Auburn fan that has an affection for the Buckeyes and telling a bunch a guys who could mostly give a rats putootie about a sideline fan's analysis of a defense (I don't blame them). I just wanted to give the fellas something interesting to watch during the game.... not a true coaching break down.
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freelancewirter
Freshman
OK Aubie, OK.
If you have an affection for the Buckeyes, why are you choosing to point their fans in specific direction, suggest they watch a specific position, that isn't an accurate portrayal of the defensive scheme?
You chose these break downs in your original post.
If you have an affection for the Buckeyes, why are you choosing to point their fans in specific direction, suggest they watch a specific position, that isn't an accurate portrayal of the defensive scheme?
You chose these break downs in your original post.
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Aubie414
Rookie
Listen sir, the way things will playout on the field will look just like the way that I say that they will, I only give you credit for calling it a 3-4 defense because ON PAPER ONLY, it is that because that is what Saban calls it... but to the eyes, it looks like a traditional 4 man line with the presence of a big linebacker that does nothing but rush.
You must truly be some writer that covers teams to be trying to prove a couch analyst wrong on a internet forum this bad...lol
I will never breakdown EVERY down, distance and situation sir, just giving the Buckeye fans something interesting to watch for like I said earlier.
Being in the state of Alabama,, I just catch most games that these teams play,, that is all :)
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scarletngray
Gold Pants
Actually the NCAA just passed a rule that tOSU can play with 12 players on each side of the ball because of the obvious disadvantage playing against an SEC team.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
I see its bullshit season on this thread. There's a reason why these two teams are paired up. The game could be a blowout by 20 points or more in either direction or it could come down to double OT. the fact remains that these are two good teams who deserve to play in bowl season.
My only bitch is that one of them is playing a home game.
My only bitch is that one of them is playing a home game.
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So LSU has no talent since they were taken to the limit by Wisconsin?
And let's go to comparative analysis - LSU took Bama to OT. Does that mean Bama has no talent either?
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freelancewirter
Freshman
You bring up a point here that's been mentioned frequently in some of the Tide fan circles—LSU vs Wisconsin. There's some skepticism on what Wisky really does have on defense when they allowed LSU to overcome a three touchdown deficit to win that game. That's an LSU team opening the season with an inexperienced quarterback, a very inept passing game, and an offense that ranked near the bottom of the NCAA in total offense.
Seeing 59-0 against Wisky is comparable to seeing 59-0 against A&M. What is it really saying?
One could look at Michigan, a team near the bottom of the NCAA in total offense as well, and wonder "is the OSU defense really that good?" But, it's Michigan.
On the flip side, the same can be said with the Bama vs LSU game.
I'm not one that says, "throw the record books out the window." The vast majority of the time that doesn't hold to be true. Now, if it's said, "throw the stats out the window;" I'm all behind that.
There's a different level of competition when it comes to games like Michigan vs OSU; just like there's a different level when it comes to LSU vs Bama.
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But - to tie it back into the statement I was quoting - to throw out the "no talent. It's not even debatable" line is utter horseshit on an ESECSECSECPN level.
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