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Automatic or manual transmission?

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OSU_Buckguy said:
no, stop-and-go traffic is a deterrent to a manual -- by definition of deterrent. if stop-and-go traffic were a deterrent to driving with a manual, automatics would be far less popular for city driving.

well, if there are going to be idiots who attempt to drive a manual and talk on the cellphone without an earpiece, states absolutely have the right to legislate how one uses a cellphone. states are not infringing the rights of the cellphone user. one can still talk on a cellphone.
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Deterrent: something that deters.
Deter: To prevent or discourage from acting, as by means of fear or doubt.
So, you're scared of a manual?:tongue2:

If there are idiots who try to drive a manual and talk on the phone and can't do it, by all means, arrest them.
It would be nearly impossible to turn the wheel, shift gears, and hold a phone to your ear. I know I couldn't do it, so I won't try. That doesn't mean it needs to be legislated. There is actually proof that talking on a phone is less distracting than using a nav system. Should those be outlawed, too?
 
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FindlayBucks said:
Deterrent: something that deters.
Deter: To prevent or discourage from acting, as by means of fear or doubt.
So, you're scared of a manual?:tongue2:

If there are idiots who try to drive a manual and talk on the phone and can't do it, by all means, arrest them.
It would be nearly impossible to turn the wheel, shift gears, and hold a phone to your ear. I know I couldn't do it, so I won't try. That doesn't mean it needs to be legislated. There is actually proof that talking on a phone is less distracting than using a nav system. Should those be outlawed, too?
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"should those be outlawed, too"? cell phones are not outlawed.

oh, findlay, "deterrent" was your word chosen -- not mine. moreover, there is more than one take on the definitions of words... obviously. consider merriam-webster:

Main Entry: de·ter
1 : to turn aside, discourage, or prevent from acting
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
"should those be outlawed, too"? cell phones are not outlawed.

oh, findlay, "deterrent" was your word chosen -- not mine. moreover, there is more than one take on the definitions of words. consider merriam-webster:

Main Entry: de·ter
1 : to turn aside, discourage, or prevent from acting
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I chose the word, and you said
no, stop-and-go traffic is a deterrent to a manual -- by definition of deterrent. if stop-and-go traffic were a deterrent to driving with a manual, automatics would be far less popular for city driving.
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As I read it now, it doesn't even make sense. You contradicted your first sentence with your second. Or did you contradict your second sentence with your second sentence?
Way to go.
My point was that driving a manual in stop and go traffic is no more difficult than driving an automatic, IMO. You said it was asinine.
You then said that states that don't ban driving without an earpiece are behind the curve, although you provide no research that shows it's inherently more dangerous than not using one.
 
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FindlayBucks said:
I chose the word, and you said
As I read it now, it doesn't even make sense. You contradicted your first sentence with your second. Or did you contradict your second sentence with your second sentence?
Way to go.
My point was that driving a manual in stop and go traffic is no more difficult than driving an automatic, IMO. You said it was asinine.
You then said that states that don't ban driving without an earpiece are behind the curve, although you provide no research that shows it's inherently more dangerous than not using one.
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ahh, there should be a 'no' after 'were.' should read: "if stop-and-go traffic were not... " again, there is a reason why automatics are relatively far more common in cities than in rural areas. sure, you are welcome to your opinion that manuals are no more difficult than automatics, but that is just your opinion. much of the population feels otherwise. if much of the population thought the same as you, automatic transmissions would be far less popular if popular at all.

My point was that driving a manual in stop and go traffic is no more difficult than driving an automatic, IMO.
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i suggest that you drive in a city like new york for awhile and then tell me whether it's easier to have a standard or an automatic. i've lived in columbus, and i can attest to the fact that stop-and-go traffic in and around columbus is completely different from stop-and-go traffic in and around new york.

oh,does findlay even have stop-and-go traffic?

You then said that states that don't ban driving without an earpiece are behind the curve, although you provide no research that shows it's inherently more dangerous than not using one.
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design science did a study not too long ago, finding that hands-free cell phones are safer than handheld cellphones. there have been studies finding that there is not difference. as with anything, you'll find studies that are contradictory. it just seems obvious that it is safer to have both hands free than to have one holding a cell phone.
 
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suggest that you drive in a city like new york for awhile and then tell me whether it's easier to have a standard or an automatic. i've lived in columbus, and i can attest to the fact that stop-and-go traffic in and around columbus is completely different from stop-and-go traffic in and around new york.

oh,does findlay even have stop-and-go traffic?
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Actually, stop and go traffic is stop and go traffic. It can't be any different anywhere, or it would be something else. No, we don't have it in Findlay, but that's funny on another level.:biggrin: (People here do complain about the "bottlenecks" which occur at such dubious intersections as Tiffin Ave. and Bright Rd. :shake: They do sometimes take 2 or even 3 traffic light cycles to get through :rofl:)
I have driven in stop and go traffic in DC, Boston, Atlanta, LA, Chicago and pretty much every midwestern city, but not New York. I understand that the duration would be different, but it wouldn't change my mind. I don't know how many times I typed "IMO" in this thread, but maybe you don't know what that means.

design science did a study not too long ago, finding that hands-free cell phones are safer than handheld cellphones. there have been studies finding that there is not difference. as with anything, you'll find studies that are contradictory. it just seems obvious that it is safer to have both hands free than to have one holding a cell phone.
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Seeming obvious and being correct are two different things. It would seem obvious that allowing people to carry handguns would increase crime, but that's not the case. Common sense may tell you something that is completely wrong. For example, my common sense about people tells me that you are a pompous ass, but I could be completely wrong.
 
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FindlayBucks said:
Seeming obvious and being correct are two different things. It would seem obvious that allowing people to carry handguns would increase crime, but that's not the case. Common sense may tell you something that is completely wrong. For example, my common sense about people tells me that you are a pompous ass, but I could be completely wrong.
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Cue the Duck!
 
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BB73 said:
Cue the Duck!
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Hmmm who would win in a steel cage match between a duck and a groundhog?

Actually... and this was a couple-- maybe 4 years ago... so fewer cell phones than now out there... but a study as to what caused accidents (meanign distractions, and not alcohol, etc) had cell phones barely cracking the top 10.

Don't remember the entire list, but I beleive:

1. Radio
2. Yelling at your kids. (I think it was distractions caused by children, but we know what that means)
3. Putting on Make-up
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6 or 7. Picking your nose.
8. Cell Phone Use (and 7-10 were all but equal in whatever the math was which was accidents per million vehicle miles or something)

No shit, though... two days later I saw some stupid chick at a traffic light in a Suburban full of screaming kids alterantely yelling at them and someone on the phone (probably her husband who was stuck at a strip club not wanting to come home) with one hand and putting powder on her face with the other.
 
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i think that the states should outlaw everything.

no...

cell phones
applying makeup
picking nose
talking
listening to the radio
smelling armpits
thinking about things unrelated to driving
flipping off other drivers
catcalls
consulting maps
roadhead
eating fast food
drinking

well... i think that there is one we can allow.
 
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ok people it seems we have ventured off topic. we are here to discuss why thump is afraid of his stick.... errrr.. why osusushichick likes sticks... errrrrr... that deety wants to learn to drive using my stick... no wait.. *ponders*
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
i think that the states should outlaw everything.

no...

cell phones
applying makeup
picking nose
talking
listening to the radio
smelling armpits
thinking about things unrelated to driving
flipping off other drivers
catcalls
consulting maps
gaylove
eating fast food
drinking

well... i think that there is one we can allow.
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You really shouldn't keep putting on your makeup in the car, or did you mean something else?
 
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