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Sportsbuck28;1607698; said:
By that definition chop blocks are also good football plays. They're against the rules though and they're also unsafe.
Yes, Coleman's hit was late. Please explain to me how Jones' hit was any less illegal or any less dangerous than what Coleman did.
I don't buy the "it's football" argument at all. Yes, it's a dangerous sport with lots of violence, and injuries happen all the time within the normal course of legal play. That doesn't mean they shouldn't take reasonable measures to make it safer while trying to preserve the integrity of the game. To me it's like driving a car. It's dangerous - any one of us could die doing it tomorrow. That doesn't mean that driving drunk or driving on the wrong side of the road shouldn't be illegal. If a loved one of mine died or was seriously injured driving a car because another driver was being blatantly reckless, I would not be satisfied to simply think, "that's driving." Would you?
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Evan;1607848; said:
Head Hunting? What? Helmet to helmet, maybe. But helmets hit on every play of every game. Certainly nothing malicious there.
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MaliBuckeye
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Merih;1607851; said:
Agreed- I wish they would change the name of the penalty. Hell, offensive and defensive linemen start each play with helmet to helmet contact...
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dragurd;1607853; said:
I don't understand all this "leading with the head" stuff. If you are hitting someone clean and square, then you're head is always first. The words used in describing these penalties does them a disservice.
Sure, his head made contact. But you don't get knocked out like that off of someones head unless they spear you. That hit was all about the shoulder.
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Sportsbuck28
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Thats a terrible example. Comparing drunk driving to a helmet to helmet hit? With drunk driving you have a choice as to whether or not you get behind the wheel, and even if you don't you would still have someone to stop you. In this sitation you have two guys playing football running full speed at each other with less than a split second to make a decision...jlb1705;1607726; said:
Chad Jones came over to make a hit and knock the ball out... he did just that. When the receiver leaves his feet over the middle its fair game...
Jones never left his feet. It's not like he had a choice as to how he was going to hit him, whats he supposed to do, not hit the guy as he's catching the ball and let Arkansas take the lead? He has a split second to decide what he's going to do when the receiver left his feet to go get the ball, is he supposed to be worried about how he's going to hit him? No, he's going to make sure he times it right and tries to make the receiver drop the ball.
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As jlb said, LSU caught a huge break when the ref incorrectly ruled that Ridley had gotten out of bounds with 26 seconds left. With no timeouts, the clock probably would have run down to 10 or 12 seconds before they got the next play off. They would have needed a 3rd down conversion, a spike if that play was in-bounds, and a longer and rushed FG attempt. Later last night, Lou Holtz actually said the game would have been over with the clock being stopped, but that wasn't the case.
I really would have liked to see Les have to answer why he had no timeouts left to start that 1-minute drive if they had failed to score.
I really would have liked to see Les have to answer why he had no timeouts left to start that 1-minute drive if they had failed to score.
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Sportsbuck28;1607868; said:
So his only choices were to take himself out of the play or lower his helmet and drive it straight into the other guy's? Gimme a break!
We're talking about some of the best athletes in the world here - they make decisions about how to initiate contact all the time with only split seconds to do it. And sometimes, they use that split second to decide to make a cheap shot.
Look at the video again. This wasn't a split second decision. He was lining this hit up from the moment he saw the guy - took three or four long paces and came from outside of the hashmarks to get in position to make that hit. It wasn't a snap judgment, he went over there with intent. I have no problem with big hits, but his intent should not include leading with his helmet into another player's at full speed like that. Lead with your shoulder and/or target the other player's shoulder, chest, waist, the ball whatever. He still would've blown the guy up no matter how he hit him on that one. You can't convince me that Chad Jones didn't have full control over what happened on that hit.
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Sportsbuck28
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I didn't say that, but nice try.jlb1705;1608001; said:
Of course he was lining the guy up from the moment he saw him, thats what I said. They were playing cover 2... dude was running free and was going to split the safeties for a go-ahead touchdown, of course Jones was lining him up, thats what I said.
This was not a cheap shot. He came over and knocked the dude the hell out and broke up the pass, don't really see how thats cheap or dirty. He actually led with his shoulder but because the WR was airborne it ended up helmet to helmet.
But no, I'm sure Jones intent on that play was to come over, and to committ a penalty for a helmet to helmet hit that would give Arky a first down.
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Sportsbuck28;1608016; said:
Jib, you know football. Do you really believe that a guys intent is to use his helmet in order to hurt the other player?
If you were saying that he was using poor technique, or was poorly coached in how to make a proper hit, then fine. But if he really wanted to hurt that WR, he could have done it very egregiously. This was just a hit. Two players at different angles meeting up at the same point. The shoulder is what dished out the punishment. You don't see the Arkansas player really take the full impact untill the shoulder is driven in.
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Nutriaitch
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what difference a week makes.
we're still alive for another 10 win season, and top 10 finish.
early prediction is we'll get Penn State in the CapOne bowl.
we're still alive for another 10 win season, and top 10 finish.
early prediction is we'll get Penn State in the CapOne bowl.
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Sportsbuck28;1608016; said:
jlb1705 said:
Sportsbuck28;1608016; said:
Really?
Merih said:
Intent to hurt him? No. Intent is a loaded word and probably a poor choice on my part, and I don't think it's appropriate to try to discern Jones' intent beyond making a hit and separating the ball from the receiver. When I said that what I meant by it is that Jones deliberately lowered his head and led with it into the Arkansas' player's head. Their heads did not meet by circumstance. Whether it had "intent" or was done as a result of bad coaching or bad habits doesn't really matter. It's an unsafe play - in my opinion much more so than most other football plays. It is also against the current rules of the game.
Nobody has answered my question about chop blocks yet. I never see anybody get this up in arms over the sanctity of the chop block. It's also a dangerous and illegal play, yet most of the chop block calls I see don't look like they come with an intent to hurt somebody - is usually a mixed up assignment or somebody stumbling that leads to those.
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