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All Things in Moderation (split from Meyer thread)

Muck;2055639; said:
Well only one of us appears to that's for sure.
So no solutions then? Just more nitpicking? You made it sound so simple.
Would you care to explain what in my first post was an opinion rather than a fact?
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Seriously if you want posters to know what positive effects moderation has then you need to make that information available. Otherwise TPTB must accept responsibility for misperceptions that are caused by their own policies.
You're stating that BP would "know" the positives of moderation by having it aired publicly. I can see the logic in that, but...

I would strongly disagree with that. Emotions can hamper moderation, and doing so publicly can be even more explosive.

There are many times where someone apologizes (often the next time they log in) after receiving a Warning or Infraction PM.

Other than swearing in the recruiting forum, there haven't been too many times where someone apologized to a moderator when they are called out on the forums. Given my stubbornness, I doubt I would either. You're already fired up & emotional over the topic, then along comes a challenger to rachet up your testosterone even further.
 
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BB73, jwinslow, and other mods, you are taking offense at the bolded...
MightbeaBuck;2055112; said:
I've read many things on this site over the years saying that Tressel needs to improve this or that. Things like "wish he would open the playbook more. We would have won." And fellow Buckeye Planeteers said nothing, after all, it's not really bashing.
Then there's Bollman. Blatant bashing. Many things have been said about him that should have, under BP's rules, caused a two-week vacation - yet didn't. Again, fellow Buckeye Planeteers said nothing.
...and rightfully so. I was trying to make a point and stepped on the moderators toes while doing so. :!

BB73;2055316; said:
?did you just feel like making a blanket statement critical of the way that BP is moderated?
jwinslow;2055590; said:
no, he is berating him for choosing to berate the board and mods without any of the facts.
I was out of line with that statement, and didn't mean to insult the moderators of this board. While I should not have said it, that was not the emphasis of my post - or even of the paragraph.
I've read many things on this site over the years saying that Tressel needs to improve this or that. Things like "wish he would open the playbook more. We would have won." And fellow Buckeye Planeteers said nothing, after all, it's not really bashing.
Then there's Bollman. Blatant bashing. Many things have been said about him that should have, under BP's rules, caused a two-week vacation - yet didn't. Again, fellow Buckeye Planeteers said nothing.
I didn't realize anyone defending the players or coaches being bashed were having their posts deleted. I plead ignorance. Stuff like this makes me more comfortable in the political forum. :biggrin:


I think the administrators, moderators, and the other elitist pricks do a great job here on Buckeye Planet. You are correct, I do not know how many posts were deleted where other members jumped on someone for dissing a player or coach - and should not have used that in defending my position.

We have too much invested in BP to see it fail. I would rather be permanently banned than hurt Buckeye Planet.
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I quoted the original post and highlighted the comments about Bollman bashing for a variety of reasons.

1 - It seemed to say that those bashing Bollman were being given free reign. That wasn't true - many people were banned for comments about Bollman, and many other actions taken by moderators are done without the majority of posters being aware of them.

2 - To provoke a discussion of the way that the infraction/warning system works, since I think that's healthy on an occasional basis. By the way, that link is always available in the bottom toolbar. I think people should know that some posts get infractions without everybody being made aware of the fact that the poster was hit. There are times when it becomes public knowledge - an actual bashing infraction results in a 14-day ban, and the 'banned' shows next to somebody's avatar while it's in effect. Other infractions might not result in a ban (and no warnings do). But I agree with jwinslow in that making every moderator action public would be a nightmare for the mods and admins, since posters could question and debate all sorts of actions, And there are some folks that just like to argue, and some folks that just like to stir the pot (shocking, I know, but true). And we moderators don't want to have to spend a large amount of time evaluating each decision made by ourselves or other mods.

3 - To provide the occasional reminder that mods and admins are just fans that voluntarily make the effort to provide structure and order to these boards. It's not easy to be consistent in each decision, considering that for each questionable post, these options (at a minimum) are available:
- do nothing
- PM the poster and ask him to delete/edit the post, or to explain himself further
- delete the post
- edit the post
- send a message via a rep comment
- move the post to a different thread, which may or may not be publicly viewable
- Issue a warning, and decide which one applies
- Issue an infraction, and decide which one applies
- Issue a custom ban of x days
- consult with other mods/admins about how to handle the situation

Some topics are more difficult to deal with than others. Over the years, MoC, Troy Smith, TatGate, JT's forced departure, and the limited offense this season have created a lot of posts that required decisions to be made. Ideally, mods/admins understand how their personal opinions might affect their actions, and consider things like common sense and the consensus of board opinion while making their decisions. For example, a former Buckeye player was recently called a 'dumbass' in his alumni thread. At face value that may seem like bashing, but since it followed a report that he had punched a woman in the head, no action was taken.

But mods are human and we sometimes make a less than ideal choice. So there are times when our actions are reviewed by other mods/admins, and sometimes actions are revised after such a review. Those reviews are done without them being public, since that would just be opening cans of worms and creating the need to spend a lot more time on them.

There's a running joke about mods/admins being elitist pr_icks, and while that's mostly a joke, I'm sure that some folks feel there's truth to it. While we don't want to act as if we're operating from an ivory tower, we do prefer to avoid getting nitpicked and having to spend a lot of time justifying our actions. Hopefully we're able to find a proper balance the vast majority of the time, and admit to mistakes when they are made.

This whole discussion isn't being done in an attempt to gain sympathy from anybody, but rather to allow a better understanding to exist in how mods and admins function and why things generally work as they do.
 
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I hope this isn't out of line... but, gonna throw a couple things out there.

Now, somewhere in the deep dark bowels of this site, there is the elitist prick lounge, and across the hall from the free beer and stripper bar is a forum. In that forum, is contained a record of every reported post, every infraction or warning ever given.

As Josh pointed out, when a post is reported, an email is generated that is sent directly to the moderators of that forum... so... if you report a post in the football forum, it records it, and an email with a link to that post is sent and comes (in my case) directly to the my phone and makes it easy to deal with. There are over 3000 threads that directly deal with reported posts, warnings and infractions. That's as many threads as are in the entire poli forum. That doesn't count the posts deleted by moderators, or any of those nifty things.

Personally, I don't do much "moderating" and, you know, I think part of how the board is moderated, much like Bill mentions above, is an effort to not have the "moderation" be a distraction to everything else going on. My point is a lot of energy is spent on all the concerns that are listed, and it's not meant to be secretive, but, it's also done with an eye toward keeping the experience here seemless.


Obviously, many of the "decisions" around moderation are subjective, but generally, we get feedback from each other and efforts are made to be consistent and dispassionate as possible.


HAYN

OH, wait, that's someone else.
*Note, I wrote most of this stuff prior to Bill's post above. Thankfully he shotened up what I was going to say.
 
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