Alabama 12, Tennessee 10 (final)

[Gatorubet]

I said it immediately here. That should have been a 15 yard penalty and an un-timed down for Tennessee.

But there is no way in HELL they are going to call that, At Alabama, when Alabama is undefeated. It wouldn't have been called had the situation been reversed and the game in Knoxville or Gainesville or Baton Rogue.

It's sad, but the home team (or the perceived BETTER team) ALWAYS gets the calls in the SEC this year.

Once the ball crosses the line of scrimmage it is dead. Bama is now in possession, and if a penalty is called, it will be Bama ball with the penalty making the field position a little longer. But who cares, as it is Bama's ball, with the previous play over. Once it crosses the line, it is a dead ball, and the possession changes to Bama. Had the kicker been roughed, then a personal foul would get a re-kick. But an unsportsmanlike penalty is a dead ball foul, not a personal foul that presents the issue that the game cannot end on a defensive penalty.

In any event, the game was in fact over, and no time remained on the clock, as the photo shows. You cannot get a penalty for taking your helmet off after the game is over.

Which is to say that you are wrong about everything you are saying, and that your conspiracy theory is full of guano. :p

 

[Mike80]

Once the ball crosses the line of scrimmage it is dead. Bama is now in possession, and if a penalty is called, it will be Bama ball with the penalty making the field position a little longer. But who cares, as it is Bama's ball, with the previous play over. Once it crosses the line, it is a dead ball, and the possession changes to Bama. Had the kicker been roughed, then a personal foul would get a re-kick. But an unsportsmanlike penalty is a dead ball foul, not a personal foul that presents the issue that the game cannot end on a defensive penalty.

In any event, the game was in fact over, and no time remained on the clock, as the photo shows. You cannot get a penalty for taking your helmet off after the game is over.

Which is to say that you are wrong about everything you are saying, and that your conspiracy theory is full of guano. :p

Just because there was no time left doesn't mean the game was actually over.

Leon Lett.

As for the unsportsmanlike penalty, the very nature of the argument is that he was taking his helmet off during play. Unsportsmanlike penalties aren't always dead-ball situations. Come on now Gator, you've been watching football long than that.

It did not happen here, however no whistle had blown. The ball was still moving and HAD AN ALABAMA player touched the ball, it was still a live play (and BTW, the untimed down WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ANYWAY)....

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's the truth. Now watch, the SEC commish will come out in support of "net neutrality" here soon too

 

[cincibuck]

I know the rule against removing your helmet while on the field of play is an NFL rule, but I'm not sure it's an NCAA rule too. And as Gator points out the game was officially over.

 

[BB73]

Once the ball crosses the line of scrimmage it is dead. Bama is now in possession, and if a penalty is called, it will be Bama ball with the penalty making the field position a little longer. But who cares, as it is Bama's ball, with the previous play over. Once it crosses the line, it is a dead ball, and the possession changes to Bama. Had the kicker been roughed, then a personal foul would get a re-kick. But an unsportsmanlike penalty is a dead ball foul, not a personal foul that presents the issue that the game cannot end on a defensive penalty.

In any event, the game was in fact over, and no time remained on the clock, as the photo shows. You cannot get a penalty for taking your helmet off after the game is over.

Which is to say that you are wrong about everything you are saying, and that your conspiracy theory is full of guano. :p

Gator, can you put up a screen shot of the play with a blue or yellow LOS across the field before the snap? I was thinking about the ball in relation to the LOS before I came to post in this thread live, and I don't believe the ball crossed it. It was the 28-yard line, and I don't think that picture shows the ball past it.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm feeling rather lazy. Much has been made of the low trajectory of the kick, but it looked like it wasn't even heading for the uprights from the wide angle view.

 

[Mike80]

I know the rule against removing your helmet while on the field of play is an NFL rule, but I'm not sure it's an NCAA rule too. And as Gator points out the game was officially over.

It is a penalty in college. IN fact it was a penalty in college before it was a penalty in the NFL is I recall correctly.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Kiffin also said he decided to let the clock run down instead of trying to run another play before the kick because he was concerned about the officiating.

what. the. fuck?

 

[msj2487]

You can never expect SEC officials to call a fair game, just like you can't expect any SEC teams to play fairly without trying to get some sort of advantage. No matter how little the advantage may be, SEC teams just like to stretch the rules as much as possible and when they are called out on it they stick their thumbs up their asses and act like nothing happened. Surely Everybody Cheats.

 

[Gatorubet]

Gator, can you put up a screen shot of the play with a blue or yellow LOS across the field before the snap? I was thinking about the ball in relation to the LOS before I came to post in this thread live, and I don't believe the ball crossed it. It was the 28-yard line, and I don't think that picture shows the ball past it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5El03CbLam0]YouTube - Alabama vs Tennessee '09 blocked field goal[/ame]

I think it finally crosses the line, but it hit the Bama player first - if it makes a difference. One of you NCAA rule gurus are going to have to help me find the exact reg.

I still think that the helmet after the game clock is at 00:00 means that the helmet thing is a non-issue and the game is over.

 

[Mike80]

You can never expect SEC officials to call a fair game, just like you can't expect any SEC teams to play fairly without trying to get some sort of advantage. No matter how little the advantage may be, SEC teams just like to stretch the rules as much as possible and when they are called out on it they stick their thumbs up their asses and act like nothing happened. Surely Everybody Cheats.

Yep, in as much as I'm certain Kiffin is only bitching for an advantage later, ummm yeah, what you said

 

[Gatorubet]

You can never expect SEC officials to call a fair game, just like you can't expect any SEC teams to play fairly without trying to get some sort of advantage. No matter how little the advantage may be, SEC teams just like to stretch the rules as much as possible and when they are called out on it they stick their thumbs up their asses and act like nothing happened. Surely Everybody Cheats.

Duly noted.

 

[BB73]

YouTube - Alabama vs Tennessee '09 blocked field goal

I think it finally crosses the line, but it hit the Bama player first - if it makes a difference. One of you NCAA rule gurus are going to have to help me find the exact reg.

I still think that the helmet after the game clock is at 00:00 means that the helmet thing is a non-issue and the game is over.

No, the play has to be over. It's like the clock going to 0:00 while a guy is running for a TD - the game isn't over at 0:00, it's over when the play is over.

BTW, do you have the rule that says the ball is dead when a blocked kick crosses the line - even if it went over the line, the ball is still live until it's downed or blown dead by the refs - since the blocking team has a chance to run it back, I don't believe that ball's dead immediately.

I've seen discussion on SEC boards that say that since Bama recovered it, and the helmet removal is a 'dead ball' foul by rule (according to them), that even if the penalty was called it would have been Bama ball. I'm not convinced that's true, either, since the helmet came off before the ball was recovered, and before the play was blown dead, it seems like it should be a 15-yrd penalty with an untimed down for Tennessee to me.

But I don't think the no-call is a power-team conspiracy. The refs were going to allow the guy to celebrate a game-winning play and not nail him on a technicality - and they could have been hesitant to call something like that after the other crew had the BS Georgia celebration call, and ended up getting suspended after making another bad call later.

 

[msj2487]

Duly noted.

You can call me a whiner all you want, but the fact of the matter is is that the SEC definitely cheats more than the other conferences, what is the streak at now? 20 years in a row with at least one team on some sort of NCAA probation? But hey, maybe that 20 years of cheating has finally paid off, you guys are finally relevant in college football as an entire conference ever since the 2000's, before that what did you have... Bama?

 

[BB73]

what. the. fuck?

That's pure conspiracy theory, Kiffin's acting like he wasn't going to run a play in the last 30 seconds to make the FG shorter because he was afraid the SEC refs would call a phantom holding penalty or something, in order to help ensure the Bama-Florida undefeated matchup later in the year.

He deserved to be fined/warned for those comments.

 

[matt_thatsme]

Kiffin shouln't have made the comments, there are enough analyst, fans, etc. making the statements or "whining" if you will. He deserved to get scolded or whatever it is that they want to call it. However, I am trying to put myself in the shoes of a UT fan. If that were the Buckeyes instead of UT that lost that game I would be pissed off too. The officiating was pathetic. Sure, when you are playing the #1 team in the country on their field you should expect the marginal plays to go their way, but this was ridiculous. I hate to see such a good game decided by officiating or lack thereof.
On a final note, I understand that when you are home the game clock is going to work in your favor. But when a team gets a first down and the play is over the clock should stop within a couple of seconds not 3-5 seconds as it did on Tennessee's final drive. Of course Kiffin's decision not to run a couple of plays to get closer at the end makes that point moot.

SEC officiating is pathetic....fast, but pathetic.