Affliction: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Tim Sylvia

[OCBucksFan]

"Pound for pound" is something that the lower weight divisions made up so they can feel better about themselves. The top heavyweight 9 times out of 10 would destroy anyone from a lower weight class.

Gotcha Size = Skill

Congrats on one of the dumbest things I have ever read, now if you'll excuse me I am going to go labotomize myself so maybe in the future when you post I can relate to it.

 

[Pig vomit]

"Pound for pound" is something that the lower weight divisions made up so they can feel better about themselves. The top heavyweight 9 times out of 10 would destroy anyone from a lower weight class. If not, why do they have divisions at all? BTW Fedor has chunks of guys like GSP in his morning stool.

No, P4P is the true test of who the best fighter in the world is. For instance a mid level heavyweight like Ben Rothwell would kill a highly talented featherweight like Uriah Faber, but to me that does not mean Rothwell is a better fighter. If Rothwell did not have the size advantage than he would get smoked and bad by Faber.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

No, P4P is the true test of who the best fighter in the world is. For instance a mid level heavyweight like Ben Rothwell would kill a highly talented featherweight like Uriah Faber, but to me that does not mean Rothwell is a better fighter. If Rothwell did not have the size advantage than he would get smoked and bad by Faber.

No, the true test of who's the best fighter is decided in the ring.

 

[BUCKYLE]

No, P4P is the true test of who the best fighter in the world is. For instance a mid level heavyweight like Ben Rothwell would kill a highly talented featherweight like Uriah Faber, but to me that does not mean Rothwell is a better fighter. If Rothwell did not have the size advantage than he would get smoked and bad by Faber.

And if Faber were bigger, he wouldn't be lightning quick. When a guy can cave someones fuckin' skull in with one punch, how technically sound does he need to be? Which is why, imo, this p4p stuff is bullshit.

 

[OCBucksFan]

And if Faber were bigger, he wouldn't be lightning quick. When a guy can cave someones fuckin' skull in with one punch, how technically sound does he need to be? Which is why, imo, this p4p stuff is bullshit.

While I get the P4P statement, I think very few actually live up to it, if any, Anderson Silva is a great fighter, and never ceases to amaze me. Fedor is a freak of nature, who's big, fast and slippery. Both are exciting to watch, and both are by far the best at what they do. Silva fights middleweight, and there's nothing else like him in the middle weight division, but if he put on 60 pounds and moved to the heavyweight division he would be a completely different fighter.

The reason for weight classes is simple, a 145 pound guy can't even get a full grip around a 260 to be able to choke him out, not to mention that kind of size difference causes problems with people falling and as illustrated by Buckyle, how skilled does a 300 pound dude need to be to knock someone half his size out? Does that mean that 300 pound guy is a "better fighter?" No, it means he's got more mass behind his punches, not that he's more skilled. Weight classes are there so you can see skilled fighters fight, not a bully beat a fourth grader up behind an elementry school jungle gym.

 

[BUCKYLE]

While I get the P4P statement, I think very few actually live up to it, if any, Anderson Silva is a great fighter, and never ceases to amaze me. Fedor is a freak of nature, who's big, fast and slippery. Both are exciting to watch, and both are by far the best at what they do. Silva fights middleweight, and there's nothing else like him in the middle weight division, but if he put on 60 pounds and moved to the heavyweight division he would be a completely different fighter.

The reason for weight classes is simple, a 145 pound guy can't even get a full grip around a 260 to be able to choke him out, not to mention that kind of size difference causes problems with people falling and as illustrated by Buckyle, how skilled does a 300 pound dude need to be to knock someone half his size out? Does that mean that 300 pound guy is a "better fighter?" No, it means he's got more mass behind his punches, not that he's more skilled. Weight classes are there so you can see skilled fighters fight, not a bully beat a fourth grader up behind an elementry school jungle gym.

So, what if Fedor fought someone...like...this...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ln9xHMG20"]YouTube - Fedor Emelianenko Vs Godzilla[/ame]



This is what irritates me a bit.

A heavyweight on the lightest end of the division could weigh in at...let's say, 210lbs. Now, the other guy comes in at max weight which is 265, a difference of 55lbs. That's a fair fight. But a heavyweight at 210 fighting a welterweight at 160 is a bully? Why can't they have a fair fight just like the two guys at the opposite ends of the heavyweight spectrum?

Wiki MMA weight classes

 

[Pig vomit]

No, the true test of who's the best fighter is decided in the ring.

How would it prove anything when the weight advantage is so great. Haven't you ever heard the adage a good big man would beat a great little man any day of the week.

 

[Pig vomit]

And if Faber were bigger, he wouldn't be lightning quick. When a guy can cave someones [censored]in' skull in with one punch, how technically sound does he need to be? Which is why, imo, this p4p stuff is bull[censored].

How so, there are incredibly quick big men. For Instance Vitor Belfort when he was fighting at heavyweight was quicker than 99% of all the lighter fighters. The reason heavyweight divisions in all fighting sports have less great athletes than the lighter divisions is cause other sports take from the pool of talented and athletic big men. Most of these big athletic guys can play football, baseball, or basketball, where as smaller athletes really only have fighting as an option.

 

[powerlifter]

No, what makes him a total piece of shit is when he got whooped by a forty-three year old, he whined like a bitch about being hurt. Pussy.

And just because I'm not a better running back than Bike Hart doesn't mean he isn't a whiny bitch either.

How many fighters in the ufc at that time wouldn't have had their ass whooped by that 43 year old?

Just because you aren't Mike Hart doesn't mean anything I understand,but that's just opinion exercise..Everyone has a right to do so...

I didn't see people saying "hell, even i could kick Tim Sylvia's ass" or anything like that, just that he's passed his prime. And can you really argue that? The guys been done for a while, he took that fight last night for a quick pay out to be a punching bag and knew what he was getting into. Odds are he made more for that than he did for his UFC fights so more power to him.

How many good heavyweights are in the ufc? Who's to say without couture beating him he still wouldn't be fighting there in the same situation,but people highly touting him,because the lack of talent there..



I go two ways on this, I think that there's a real slippery slope if you start tossing out huge purses, Dana White watched what happened to Boxing, where people are taking fights just to get a big payout, win or lose, and fighting well beyond their prime. It's not like these guys are making squat cash, a decent fighter in the UFC makes a lot of money, granted they aren't getting 20 million dollar purses to go get beat up like a championship boxer, but they also aren't begging for cash.

You think nfl owners could pass that excuse off? Sorry guys,but we can't pay you anymore,because you are already getting paid enough. So we will just pocket the rest and say fuck it..Although in mma as you said it's not like they are making a shit ton of money in comparison..People aren't watching boxing they are watching this.

They have a watered down pay per view every month with half the guys on the card being announced at ringside,and people saying "who the fuck is this?"Better yet a shitty fighter being billed as the second coming of christ just because he's fighting a main event fighter. Would you honestly give a shit who james irvin fought last night if it wasn't andersen silva?

I found the UFC card great for a free card, Silva was awsome, I was disapointed with the Vera fight, I thought that Markham kid showed a lot of power, the eyepoke bummed me out(the decision of that fight was definitely bullshit), but overall, I thought it was a decent card. Hell, most of the time you pay you get a card of about the same quality, 2-3 great fights and a lot of hugging on the ground. That's exactly my point of the ufc. Why not wait and have a card full of big fights? Not enough money and no reason when people are happy with andersen silva versus john doe,because john doe lost convincingly. There is a flood of talent in the 205's. He could have had a fight with a MUCH better fighter,but didn't..If silva would have lost that fight it would have took a chunk of steam and a shitload of talk down the tube for the ufc.

Can you honestly say that if Fedor wasn't on that card last night anyone would have paid for it?

Definitely. Here's a comparison
Affliction Banned
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bouts Scheduled to Air on Pay-Per-View:
-Fedor Emelianenko vs. Tim Sylvia
-Josh Barnett vs. Pedro Rizzo
-Andre Arlovski vs. Ben Rothwell
-Matt Lindland vs. Fabio Negao
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Mike Whitehead

Bouts Scheduled to Air on Fox Sports Net:
-Aleksander Emelianenko vs. Paul Buentello
-Vitor Belfort vs. Terry Martin

Preliminary Bouts:
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Edwin Dewees
-Trenell "Savant" Young vs. Mark Hominick
-Justin Levens vs. Patrick Speight
-Mike Pyle vs. J.J. Ambrose [/FONT]

UFC

Main Card

• Anderson Silva vs. James ?Sandman? Irvin (non-title match at 205lbs)
• Brandon Vera vs. Reese Andy
• Frankie Edgar vs. Hermes Franca
• Cain Velasquez vs. Jake O?Brien
• Anthony Johnson vs. Kevin Burns
• Jesse Taylor vs. CB Dollaway

may not be broadcast

• Tim Credeur vs. Cale Yarbrough
• Rory Markham vs. Brodie Farber
• Brad Blackburn vs. James Giboo
• Nate Loughran vs. Johnny Rees
• Shannon Gugerty vs. Dale Hartt

I would love to see a huge fight with fedor/couture. If dana had the nuts to throw up a card that looks like that against a pay per view with those two guys,then they would be humbled. There is no matchup in the ufc that could happen that would have that draw even if it never happens. JMO

 

[Pig vomit]

So, what if Fedor fought someone...like...this...
YouTube - Fedor Emelianenko Vs Godzilla



This is what irritates me a bit.

A heavyweight on the lightest end of the division could weigh in at...let's say, 210lbs. Now, the other guy comes in at max weight which is 265, a difference of 55lbs. That's a fair fight. But a heavyweight at 210 fighting a welterweight at 160 is a bully? Why can't they have a fair fight just like the two guys at the opposite ends of the heavyweight spectrum?

Wiki MMA weight classes

Hong Man Choi? Is that a joke, this guy who fought Fedor when he had only 1 MMA fight, and the guy he fought was a comedian from Japan at that. The guys a tomato can and a joke. I mean 5'11 200 pound Keith Hackney demolished 6-8 600 pound Emanuel Yarborough in about a minute, it doesn't mean hes great. Show me a a big man with some actual skill and athleticism.

 

[BUCKYLE]

How so, there are incredibly quick big men. For Instance Vitor Belfort when he was fighting at heavyweight was quicker than 99% of all the lighter fighters. The reason heavyweight divisions in all fighting sports have less great athletes than the lighter divisions is cause other sports take from the pool of talented and athletic big men. Most of these big athletic guys can play football, baseball, or basketball, where as smaller athletes really only have fighting as an option.

I tend to think that there are less big motherfuckers in fighting sports because there are less big motherfuckers in the general population, not because they are busy playing baseball.

My only point is that imo, you put a heavier Faber in the ring with Fedor, you get a broken Faber.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Hong Man Choi? Is that a joke, this guy who fought Fedor when he had only 1 MMA fight, and the guy he fought was a comedian from Japan at that. The guys a tomato can and a joke. I mean 5'11 200 pound Keith Hackney demolished 6-8 600 pound Emanuel Yarborough in about a minute, it doesn't mean hes great. Show me a a big man with some actual skill and athleticism.

My point being that you won't see Anderson Silva fighting a guy Tim Silvia's size. Because "that wouldn't be fair", no matter the skill level. It's not because Anderson couldn't win, it's because the big guy could "pull a Gonzaga" and shell his head like a dry roasted peanut.

 

[Pig vomit]

I tend to think that there are less big [censored]s in fighting sports because there are less big [censored]s in the general population, not because they are busy playing baseball.

My only point is that imo, you put a heavier Faber in the ring with Fedor, you get a broken Faber.

I doubt that, a 6-2 230 pound Faber would be virtually unbeatable. To quick, to well rounded, and to tough.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Its not perceived athleticism, its the facts. When Fedor fights the level of competition the other guys have than maybe he can make the claim as number 1 P4P fighter.

You act like Fedor has no skills and he wins on size or somthing.... sorry my friend Fedor is good at everything that is used in mma and he is tougher than those guys. His pain thresh hold is that of a woman who has birthed 14 kids and he recovers from in fight injury like no other. These things are what makes a great fighter pound for pound or whatever other lable you want to use. Just because he doesnt do spinning back kicks dont think any of those guys could handle him. He can be beat but it has to be a heavy weight...

 

[powerlifter]

So, what if Fedor fought someone...like...this...
YouTube - Fedor Emelianenko Vs Godzilla



This is what irritates me a bit.

A heavyweight on the lightest end of the division could weigh in at...let's say, 210lbs. Now, the other guy comes in at max weight which is 265, a difference of 55lbs. That's a fair fight. But a heavyweight at 210 fighting a welterweight at 160 is a bully? Why can't they have a fair fight just like the two guys at the opposite ends of the heavyweight spectrum?

Wiki MMA weight classes

Most people in this thread probably never seen too many fedor fights.I can still remember when people honestly thought pride fighters weren't worth a shit just because the name "ufc" wasn't tagged beside them.