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All it means is that depending on the year the 2 division conference champ set up is as problomatic as the B10 set up.

Our problems come up in years when 2 really good teams don't play each other.

Theirs come up in the years when all the good teams are in 1 division.

The only thing I'll say in favor of the B10 format is this. You will never see a year when a 7-4 type team can be a conference champ over a 1 or 2 loss team...it just can't happen. You may have 1 loss teams that can't settle it on the field but you'll never have some mediocre team get lucky in 1 game and be the conference champ.

The CCG format can't say the same.
 
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BB73: "If they both won, one of them would have gone to the NC game, so at least one of them was 'derailed'. In Tennessee's case, since Texas had lost the week before, and Tennessee was #2 in the polls and had the #3 SOS in the country, they were definitely in the Rose Bowl win a win against LSU."

Getting "derailed" in the Title game is going into it unbeaten, losing, and then getting ousted from that year's National Championship Bowl game. I'm talking about having your own destiny all within your own hands and blowing it away.

You can't tell me Texas or Tennessee was a lock to go, because neither won, and a computer ranking that put them in the Rose Bowl doesn't exist.

Texas and Tennessee needed wins AND chips to fall in order for them to play Miami. Suppose Texas beats Colorado and vaults into the # 2 BCS slot. Then the next week, the Vols win and jump Texas. Or, both win, and Nebraska goes anyway.

Remember, that season's final ranking was so close that it came down to a Syracuse game (forget the opponent, but it was the last game of the season) win or loss to push Nebraska's SOS ranking high enough to go.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
BB73: "If they both won, one of them would have gone to the NC game, so at least one of them was 'derailed'. In Tennessee's case, since Texas had lost the week before, and Tennessee was #2 in the polls and had the #3 SOS in the country, they were definitely in the Rose Bowl win a win against LSU."

Getting "derailed" in the Title game is going into it unbeaten, losing, and then getting ousted from that year's National Championship Bowl game. I'm talking about having your own destiny all within your own hands and blowing it away.

You can't tell me Texas or Tennessee was a lock to go, because neither won, and a computer ranking that put them in the Rose Bowl doesn't exist.

Texas and Tennessee needed wins AND chips to fall in order for them to play Miami. Suppose Texas beats Colorado and vaults into the # 2 BCS slot. Then the next week, the Vols win and jump Texas. Or, both win, and Nebraska goes anyway.

Remember, that season's final ranking was so close that it came down to a Syracuse game (forget the opponent, but it was the last game of the season) win or loss to push Nebraska's SOS ranking high enough to go.
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Texas had lost the week before, so Tennessee losing that game in 2001 was more costly to their NC hopes than an undefeated Auburn's loss in last year's CCG would have been. As far as having NC hopes, being #2 in the BCS standings is more important than being undefeated.

But I'll agree to disagree with you on this.
 
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I definitely see the money aspects of the CCG...
The ticket sales all add up, and the additional TV money as well...

Then of course, you get the chance for an undeserving team to back their way into a BCS by way of an automatic bid. Take for example if Texas was beaten by Colorado, they would certainly still get an at large bid (and push us out most likely), but Colorado would get the automatic Big12 Champion bid, so you get 2 15 million dollar checks instead of one, kind of what happened with Kansas State when we destroyed them (I think they were ~15 in the polls before the CCG)
 
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the big 12 championship game has been a trap since the begining. Texas over nebraska in 96, atm over K-state in 98, colorado over texas in 01, kstate over oklahoma in 03. In 40% of the games played for the big 12 championship the HUGE underdog has won. Like it or not it has been a very tough game for heavy favorites to win. These games are far from a cop out and a disadvantage to the confrences that have to play them.
 
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With the tailspin that Florida State has been in the last few years, I wonder what Bobby Bowden will do after the season.....

A couple of years ago, when everyone was trying to say it was time for JoePa to go, Bowden went on ESPiN and said that he wouldn't leave the program in shambles; that when the FSU ship started to sink, he would get bail, instead of completely running the program into the ground for his successor to deal with.

Uh Bobby.....it might be time to find your dadgum life jacket......
 
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Would anyone here be a proponent of a conference championship game in the Big 10? I know I sure wouldn't...not so much because it is another potential roadblock to the BCS, but because it takes away so much (IMO) from the conference, and the importance of the regular season games. Obviously, you still need to play well enough to be number 1 or 2 in the conference, but you would still have have the controversy of who deserves to play and who doesn't. Plus, the OSU/scUM rivalry would lessen, simply because that game would no longer determine who is the conference champ, but rather, which team gets an opportunity to become conference champ. scUM and tOSU would have to be in the same division, meaning you'd almost have to put PSU and either Iowa or Wisky in the other conference, so we would no longer play a lot of the tougher teams in the conference, which, of course, would serve only to decrease our SOS. So, what's the point?
 
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FKAGobucks877 said:
Would anyone here be a proponent of a conference championship game in the Big 10? I know I sure wouldn't...not so much because it is another potential roadblock to the BCS, but because it takes away so much (IMO) from the conference, and the importance of the regular season games. Obviously, you still need to play well enough to be number 1 or 2 in the conference, but you would still have have the controversy of who deserves to play and who doesn't. Plus, the OSU/scUM rivalry would lessen, simply because that game would no longer determine who is the conference champ, but rather, which team gets an opportunity to become conference champ. scUM and tOSU would have to be in the same division, meaning you'd almost have to put PSU and either Iowa or Wisky in the other conference, so we would no longer play a lot of the tougher teams in the conference, which, of course, would serve only to decrease our SOS. So, what's the point?
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I don't like the idea (at all) either. In fact, I think these other conferences should only play these games if it is NOT a rematch from a game that already took place in the regular season. If the two teams hadn't played each other already, then I guess there is some reasoning behind it. But if it's just a rematch from earlier, I don't see the point (except monetarily of course).
 
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Understand your point, but I'd personally rather have the occasional split title than play some patsy like Colorado (again). FWIW, here in the Big 10, while tOSU will hang the "Co-Championship" banner from the rafters, everyone here knows that PSU won the conference, because they beat us.

I can see Saw's point, and agree that I wouldn't mind having a type of championship game IF, and only if, the two teams have not played each other. That would have gone a long way to shut the Iowa fans up in 2002.
 
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High Lonesome said:
I hate the damn thing, i dont want to play it. if we had the same format as the big 10 i would be looking forward to the rose bowl already. the only redeaming(sp?) quality of these games is that they prevent split titles.
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I understand that "officially" it prevents split titles, but if Texas were to lose to Colorado, did it really prevent a "split title"? You guys already killed Colorado. This would just draw the series to a 1-1 tie but Colorado gets the "title"...Bad setup IMO...Texas has already proven they're better IMO...
 
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High Lonesome said:
the big 12 championship game has been a trap since the begining. Texas over nebraska in 96, atm over K-state in 98, colorado over texas in 01, kstate over oklahoma in 03. In 40% of the games played for the big 12 championship the HUGE underdog has won. Like it or not it has been a very tough game for heavy favorites to win. These games are far from a cop out and a disadvantage to the confrences that have to play them.
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Shouldn't this be: ...to the conferences that choose to play them?
 
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FKAGobucks877 said:
Understand your point, but I'd personally rather have the occasional split title than play some patsy like Colorado (again). FWIW, here in the Big 10, while tOSU will hang the "Co-Championship" banner from the rafters, everyone here knows that PSU won the conference, because they beat us.
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Yup. I am proud of tOSU, but I know what that Co-Championship really means...Congrats to PSU.
FKAGobucks877 said:
I can see Saw's point, and agree that I wouldn't mind having a type of championship game IF, and only if, the two teams have not played each other. That would have gone a long way to shut the Iowa fans up in 2002.
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And I would've loved to had a chance to play Northwestern for the conference back in the '90's--forget which year(s) it was...
 
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