Academic Ranking - OSU vs. Michigan

[cincibuck]

"Unlike the famed Four Horsemen, Irish supporters sit on mythical high horses, oblivious to the facts and unwilling to accept reality: Notre Dame has very relaxed academic standards for its football players, yet fields a team that had drifted into mediocrity."

How's this: Our last Heisman Trophy winner can speak in complete sentences and not make racist remarks. That takes care of two of my pet peeves; Michigan and Notre Dame and their elitist attitudes.

 

[Buckeye737]

HINYG8 - Nice work. I'll be curious to see Meatchicken Tool's response to that.

 

[BuckPride]

Their premium board stated that DL/OL Slocum self reported a 1.8 GPA.

Manningham was an academic risk. Burgess's high school tutor told me she did not know how he got into Michigan. Jamison kid last year just got in.

Its bull they shoot around. thing is, that superior attitude would cause these same people to snub their own athletes, except they wear maize and blue. just ask non athletes who major in Kinesiology (letter to Editor).

 

[Oh8ch]

HINYG8 - stop with the facts already. If you force this guy into a corner you will leave him with only two options:

1. Remind you that Michigan has lost two straight Rose Bowls.

2. Masturbate on your front porch.

 

[PlanoBuckeye]

Any chance you want to acknowledge that there's a conversation, and not a MichiganRules soapbox, present in this thread?

I acknowledged that UM is more highly regarded across the board in their degrees (that is not to say that all UM degrees trump tOSU degrees, just the average clout of all of them combined is higher at TSUN).

Deal with the relevant topic at hand... student-athletes.

I agree with you. The reason scUM is highly regarded nationally as a fine institution of higher learning is simple. Except for those on the scUM football team, the state of Michigan sends all of it's DUMBASSES to Michigan State.

 

[aurorabuckeye13]

The people who have already posted on this thread have pretty much said it all for me... what else is there to say except that the guy who said tOSU is bad academically is mentally handicapped ot be politically correct

:scum4: yes that means both on the field... and off

 

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

The big diference would be that ND actually graduates most of it's players!!

Actually from what I hear is that ND's core class requirements is the biggest issue when it comes to academic requirements at ND.

 

[stxbuck]

All freshmen at ND are required to take calculus. I sure as hell didn't take any calculus at OSU-I majored in history, and had had enough of it in HS-I imagine it it would be tough for someone who got a 900 SAT.

 

[The KSB]

I agree with you. The reason scUM is highly regarded nationally as a fine institution of higher learning is simple. Except for those on the scUM football team, the state of Michigan sends all of it's DUMBASSES to Michigan State.

So, In Ohio we send all of our dumbasses to Akron.

 

[buckiprof]

All freshmen at ND are required to take calculus. I sure as hell didn't take any calculus at OSU-I majored in history, and had had enough of it in HS-I imagine it it would be tough for someone who got a 900 SAT.

Calculus should be required for all students (but you know I am a little biased on this :)).

Keep in mind that all calculus courses are not the same. The calculus that engineers, physics/science, and mathematics majors take is much more difficult than business calculus. There is less theory and it is trig free. When left with friendly polynomials, the occasional exponential/logarithmic function and the rare rational function, business calculus is not that bad at all.

 

[strohs]

All freshmen at ND are required to take calculus. I sure as hell didn't take any calculus at OSU-I majored in history, and had had enough of it in HS-I imagine it it would be tough for someone who got a 900 SAT.

I guess that depends on what you majoring in.
Calculus is not for everyone, and not everyone should have to take it.
I was required to start in calculus for Electrical Engineering.
and for me, it was a breeze, but I know others who struggled in it,
and It had nothing to do with their overall intellect.

 

[cincibuck]

Calculus, or no calculus, we can all do the math: Big time football (BTF) = $

and BTF + Ws = $$$

Which means that when schools want a certain athlete

SAT + GPA = 0 or +/- (700 + 2.0)

IMO the hypocrisy begins there and spreads. Schools such as Notre Dame, Michigan, Stanford, Duke, UNC, U. of Miami and Texas have long had some of the toughest entrance requirements in the nation, and the impression their fans want to give you is that the jocks on the field represent those same levels of academic excellence and achievement. BULLSHIT! They have one set of standards (and course requirements and majors) for their students and another for their athletes.

I always took pride in the fact that OSU WAS an open admissions school, that all you had to do was graduate from an accreditted Ohio high school and they would give you one year to make it or break it. If Katzenmoyer did not score a 1200 on his SAT, so what? As long as he graduated from high school he was as academically legit as any other student on campus. Now that OSU is becoming a "selective admission school" we will soon be as guilty as the previously mentioned schools.

So you end up with a Heisman Trophy winner from Michigan, representing "The Harvard of the Midwest" and when they put a mic in front of him you discover that the man can't speak in complete sentences and magles the syntax of what he does say.

Did he get a real "Michigan education" in his four years? Was it honorable, fair, or even honest on the part of the admissions department and the coaches to even put him in such a situation?

And if he was able to go there and achieve passing grades in a "normal" course load, how is it fair then to exclude other tax paying citizens from sending their sons and daughters to such a heralded school on the basis that their kids don't appear to be smart enough? If the Heisman Trophy winner could make it academically, why couldn't others, and thus what is the value of SATs and GPAs in the first place?

I have mixed thoughts as to the merits of diversity programs, but athletic scholarships are seldom about academics or diversity or "giving a poor kid a break." They are about making money by winning and at that point in the equation Michigan, Notre Dame, UNC et al will gladly set aside lofty academic standards without so much as a whimper.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Calculus should be required for all students (but you know I am a little biased on this :)).

Keep in mind that all calculus courses are not the same. The calculus that engineers, physics/science, and mathematics majors take is much more difficult than business calculus. There is less theory and it is trig free. When left with friendly polynomials, the occasional exponential/logarithmic function and the rare rational function, business calculus is not that bad at all.

The biggest problem with calculus courses is that very often mathematics professors have no formal instruction in teaching methods, and very little natural talent at teaching the ungifted student.

The "average" student comes in thinking, "I can't do math" then listens to their instructor mumble in a thick accent and subsequently fails to learn. I made my beer money at OU by tutoring other students through their business calculus classes, and the most often comment I heard was, "Oh! I get it! Why didn't my professor explain it that way? That's not hard at all."

"Because your professor sucks at teaching, that's why."

I'm sure that buckiprof is an outstanding teacher, however. Anyone who can describe polynomials as "friendly" has to be pretty good.

Truthfully, there is no reason at all why students should not complete introductory calculus in high school. It's simply not that difficult when taught correctly.