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Academic Ranking - OSU vs. Michigan


Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.
This kid is a PERFECT representation of what a Tressel-type player is. He is smart int he calssroom, he has great size and versatility and should be one of, if not THE top player in the country next year. Bringing him in, along with Ross and Chris already... could this be the best class of any school ever? We are in on so many gusy right now that are top notch at their positions. Myron sounds like a very special player.
As of right now I say that he should be our #1 target out of state.
Great measurables with room to grow/addweight.
Great athleticism, and even greater potential.
Also he seems like the student fist type of athlete, which probably means that we could expect him to play here for all 4 years.
Hopefully he's Tress's number on db target and he is on him hard.
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MichiganRules said:
LMFAO. No, its not. MICHIGAN is one of the best acadmeic schools in the nation though.
Not in terms of how their football players do chief.

NW + scUM combined for like 12-15 Academic All-Big10 awards.
tOSU had 22 all by itself.

Every team has players that were never intende to be at college, or are just lazy (Breaston, still an undecided major on the verge of graduating? that's a high quality academic standard... at least get him a joke major or something)

Michigan is a little more elite across the board in terms of quantity of top academic programs. But in terms of football, Tressel is owning your "highly touted" academic school.

BuckinMichigan said:
You are correct, michigan is one of the best "acadmeic" schools in the nation. By the way, what the hell does "acadmeic" mean?
Haha, sounds a lot like bulemic to me. Glad to see that we've got a new scUM guy to get upset with.
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Any chance you want to acknowledge that there's a conversation, and not a MichiganRules soapbox, present in this thread?

I acknowledged that UM is more highly regarded across the board in their degrees (that is not to say that all UM degrees trump tOSU degrees, just the average clout of all of them combined is higher at TSUN).

Deal with the relevant topic at hand... student-athletes.
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I am splitting this thread off from the Myron Rolle thread...

My bad Bgriff and MarvyMarv...first time splitting a thread and I accidentally sniped your psots about Myron.
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In all fairness BuckeyeFROMscUM

Northwestern and Michigan are by definition tougher schools to become academic all americans, like it or not. To get an accurate comparison, one must compare entry scores of their football players, which are roughly the same for most schools in the big ten, except for Northwestern which require slightly higher qualifications.

Academic all americans are nice, but the real judge of a program's treatment of their student athletes is graduation rates.
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unionfutura said:
Northwestern and Michigan are by definition tougher schools to become academic all americans, like it or not.

I disagree.
While thier ranking is higher, that does not mean its any tougher to get a degree.
Rankings are based quality of professors and such, not the toughness of the classroom work.
Im sorry, but I refuse to believe it would be any tougher for me at scUM right now trying to earn my Electrical Engineering degree than it is at tOSU.
While I might have access to better labs and materials, and maybe even professors, that does not mean its any "tougher."
It can, and does however, affect the quality of the degree, thats the difference.
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And I agree with you, Strohs. Grade inflation is a national scourge in the USA. At Harvard and other top-tier schools, the average student now gets an A in any class. 91% of Harvard students recently graduated with honors!

Take a visit to www.gradeinflation.com and you'll see that Ohio State has defended its grading standards very well, with only an inflation of .13 over the last twenty years, as opposed to a national average in the range of .6-.7. The average Ohio State student still gets a C and it's not because the standard of work at the other universities is higher.

Strangely, TSUN doesn't report its grade inflation, even though one of their own professors wrote a credible book on the topic.

TSUN and tOSU both have respected engineering faculties. At undergraduate level, there really isn't much difference between any of the top 50 ranked programs and you may get a better education at a program ranked intermediately because of a greater emphasis on teaching.

On the other hand, their football and basketball programs seem to be decidely worse than tOSU!
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I suspect Harvard would argue the reason 91% of people get A's is because they take the "smarter" folks. It's chicken and egg, really.

I tend to think the hard part of Harvard is getting in. I mean, in law, for example, the rule against perpatuities is the rule against perpatuities no matter where you learn it. There is no special way to teach this, and Harvard people don't have some magical grasp over it that, say, an OSU grad doesn't. Thus, I tend to think the "grade inflation" theory is correct at places like Harvard, Yale and such. These schools stay "top notch" because they make it so, not because of any special breed of education you may be getting there.
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Michigan Rules,

If we can stay on the topic of FOOTBALL players here is an interesting article from the Chicago Tribune:
CHICAGO--It was amusing to hear Paul Hornung speak of Notre Dame's "excessively demanding admissions standards" for football players (Tribune, April 1). Here's some truth for Mr. Hornung and those Irish alums who believe the school's winning percentage has dropped in inverse proportion to supposed "rising standards:"
Recent data released by the NCAA lists Stanford and Northwestern No. 1 and No. 2 in average SAT scores for football players, which is why each plays in a Rose Bowl every 30-odd years. Rice, Duke and Vanderbilt come in at Nos. 3, 4 and 5. The Fighting Irish ranked No. 51 out of 115 Division I football programs with an average SAT score of 925, below Big Ten schools Purdue (No. 6), Indiana (No. 10), Ohio State (No. 12), Penn State (No. 21), Iowa (No. 27) and Michigan (No. 46). They are also ranked well below a Colorado team (No. 35) that has been making headlines for things other than academic achievement.

Unlike the famed Four Horsemen, Irish supporters sit on mythical high horses, oblivious to the facts and unwilling to accept reality: Notre Dame has very relaxed academic standards for its football players, yet fields a team that had drifted into mediocrity.


Academic standards for the general student body and their entrance test scores are not the issue here. The question is about scholar athletes. I find it interesting that the OSU football team is comprised of athletes with the 12th highest SAT scores, while UM is drifting toward 50th. Yet, somehow, UM is the superior choice for 'smart' athletes. Please explain.

If we want to debate entrance scores: Ohio State and Miami of Florida both have entrance requirements for athletes that exceed the NCAA requirements. The majority of major universities use the NCAA rules to determine who gets in. I don't know what UoM does, but it would appear they are like virtually everyone else: If the NCAA clearinghouse says you are good to go, welcome to M*ch*gan.

UM didn't have less AAA becuase the course work is so much harder or the school is 'so much better', they had less because the players at UM didn't do as well in the classroom. Period.

Turns out that should not be a surprise since OSU football players scored higher on their entrance exams and cleared higher admission requirements.

Academic achievement at any major university should not be discounted due to the name on the diploma. The course work at the majority of the major institutions is very similar, often employing the same texts and curriculums. Yes, that even in includes the likes of Stanford and Northwestern.

The real differentiation occurs at the undergrad entrance requirements (where OSU is superior to UM for athletes) and then again at the graduate and doctrate levels.

OSU had a greater number of athlets who actually fit the scholar athlete mold, for at least the third year in a row. I would be interested to hear your spin as to why you believe UM would be a better academic choice for Mr. Rolle. To date it would appear the 'smarter athletes' on average are selecting OSU before UM.

What do you know that they don't?
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