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A Comprehensive Review of Coach Tressel's Recruiting Classes

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I would hypothesize that all schools with an equally strict rater would have similar average ratings for their players that graduate simply because the numbers of players brought into a program will dwarf the number who can actually contribute. If you took a large sample of our busts and placed them at akron many of those would be considered 4 or even 5 star players at their program.

I love the amount of effort put into all of these rankings and groupings but unfortunately I doubt very much of anything can be gleaned from the numbers that we didnt already know just by being around for the last 10 years.

To simplify, its simply impossible to have a team of players that grade out to all 4 and 5 star players because there isnt enough playing time for that to be possible and even a shitty team will have players that "star" for their team. Its all so subjective.
 
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BuckeyeSoldier;2129053; said:
I would hypothesize that all schools with an equally strict rater would have similar average ratings for their players that graduate simply because the numbers of players brought into a program will dwarf the number who can actually contribute. If you took a large sample of our busts and placed them at akron many of those would be considered 4 or even 5 star players at their program.

I love the amount of effort put into all of these rankings and groupings but unfortunately I doubt very much of anything can be gleaned from the numbers that we didnt already know just by being around for the last 10 years.

To simplify, its simply impossible to have a team of players that grade out to all 4 and 5 star players because there isnt enough playing time for that to be possible and even a shitty team will have players that "star" for their team. Its all so subjective.
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I agree with pretty much everything that BS has said except for the bolded.

I think it is interesting to note that a very large percentage of the Ohio State 'busts' who ended up elsewhere also failed to distinguish themselves at their new locations even though those locations were often Div IAA, II or III level schools.
 
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Great work, lots of effort. But I think overall the ratings are too low.

First, downrating a player because of injury isn't appropriate IMO.

Second, I cannot see how rating Maurice Clarett, Santonio Holmes and Nick Mangold as other than five stars can be valid.
 
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MaxBuck;2129164; said:
First, downrating a player because of injury isn't appropriate IMO.
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Then how should they be rated?

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Second, I cannot see how rating Maurice Clarett, Santonio Holmes and Nick Mangold as other than five stars can be valid.
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Clarett played one year and his off-the-field antics nearly brought down the entire football program. I cannot see how that resume' deserves a five star rating.

BTW, feel free to do your own ratings ... that is, if you can take some time out from your trolling.
 
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MaxBuck;2129164; said:
Great work, lots of effort. But I think overall the ratings are too low.

First, downrating a player because of injury isn't appropriate IMO.

Second, I cannot see how rating Maurice Clarett, Santonio Holmes and Nick Mangold as other than five stars can be valid.
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I think they are fine as a standalone rating, which they are. JB Shugarts might be a scout five star, but he is not a HS five star in LJB's ratings. Those would probably be limited to the top ten type of recruits, Beanie, Pryor, Ginn, Clarett.

I find myself impressed and critical of the ratings until I try it myself, which I am working on for Michigan.
 
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Great effort. The subjectivess will always be there, and this effort was not, I'm sure, meant as anything other than what it is. I mean, a DB or safety playing for a team with a horrific pass rush might rate 3 because every opposing QB has twelve seconds to find an open receiver on their third move. That same DB, with a different D-line could lock down his receiver for four or five seconds and who makes multiple INTs and pick-6s (due to poorly thrown passes by harassed qbs) might be graded a 4.5.

Which is all to say, every player ranked had the fortune or misfortune to have their performance enhanced or mitigated by the strengths of their teammates and the way in which the coaching staff utilized them. All of that has to be ignored, and just the actual personal performance on the field - under the hand dealt them - be the scorecard.

Really, it is not so much a ranking of their abilities, as a ranking of their value to the Buckeyes at the time they were called upon to perform. Obviously, there will be a correlation of the two factors.
 
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I think they are fine as a standalone rating, which they are. JB Shugarts might be a scout five star, but he is not a HS five star in LJB's ratings. Those would probably be limited to the top ten type of recruits, Beanie, Pryor, Ginn, Clarett.

I find myself impressed and critical of the ratings until I try it myself, which I am working on for Michigan.
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I don't think whether JB Shugarts was a scout 5* matters at all in the LJB rankings. What seems to matter in the LJB rankings are the performance of the player while at OSU.

What is clear is that both quantity and quality of performance matter in the LJB rankings. Clarrett only performed for one year. Brewster for 4. When you are talking about a 5* star player you are hoping for superstar performance for more than one year.

I do think I'm with whoever about Mangold being a 5*, but 4 1/2 ain't bad. If I had to quibble that's probably the spot. I would tend to also bump Beanie up that extra 1/2 too, but that seems hardly like criticisms. Beanie was special for 2 years behind a what was a mediocre offensive line while Clarret's line was probably underrated with a decent amount of NFL talent. The 02 Buckeye team had 14 games compared to 13 for the 07 team and yet Beanie's numbers were better. Clarret had the National Championship, but a better QB who outrushed him in that game while Beanie had Boeckman and was one of the few Buckeyes to show up. I think the injuries to both players were a wash when comparing.
 
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I would be completely remiss if I didn't say how much I appreciate the work compiled herein. Thank you. I've often wondered what became of some of these names.

Thanks again for the hard work. Clearly BP is our home because of things like this. Worth my $79.95 yearly sub...

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Day two of analyizing this thread: The number of "can't miss" kids that miss leads me to say, "no wonder you over sign." If you have five or six kids over the limit every year you are bound to cover some of your mistakes.

And no wonder so many schools don't want to go back to the guaranteed 4 year ride. If a coach makes a recruiting mistake he can recover a good part of the loss by driving a player off or simply cutting him.

Now, I have to ask myself again, why are we doing this at what is supposed to be an educational institute?

I wish I didn't love buckeye football so much.
 
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I think it might be helpful to have this information highlighted and placed in an easier-to-notice format in the first post of this thread. Since some folks are posting comments without having a complete understanding of the way these rankings were compiled.

LJB's ranking system:

5.0* - One of the all-time Buckeye greats
4.5* - A player not too far behind
4.0* - Usually an All American, or some other player who has distinguished himself in a special way
3.5* - A borderline great player
3.0* - An above average player (usually a multi-year starter)
2.5* - Spot starters, key reserves, role players, and special team standouts
2.0* - Career back-ups who rarely saw the field
1.0* - Reserved for those players who suffered career-ending injuries, or who transferred out of Ohio State after four years in the program
0.0* - Outright busts, players who accomplished very little while at Ohio State and then left the program early due to transfers, academics, ineligibility, or criminal activity

Note - A very few early departees received higher ratings because they made significant contributions to the program before they left (Terrelle Pryor, Maurice Clarett, and E.J. Underwood).
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