Game Thread #7 tOSU 18, Purdue 26 (Oct 17, Noon ET, BTN)

[Woody1968]

Here are the tie-breaker rules: Method to Determine Big Ten Conference Automatic Representative to Bowl Championship Series - BIG TEN OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

In the hypothetical Iowa-OSU-MSU all tie for the conference championship, Ohio State would most likely receive the Rose Bowl bid because more than likely they'd be the highest placed in the BCS standings. The conference no longer uses the "who hasn't been there the longest" rule.

But that hypothetical can't happen because Iowa and MSU play this weekend... one team obviously has to lose. If we suppose Ohio State wins out then they will receive the bid because they will either own the head-to-head against Iowa or will be ranked ahead of MSU in the BCS.

I did not know they had changed the rule. Thanks.

 

[BuckeyeFlorida]

Congrats to Purdue for getting a big win for their new coach... From what I was able to catch on the radio, they plain whooped us in pretty much all facets of the game. They deserved the win, and we didn't... plain and simple.

However, I would hope that in the future our Big Ten brethren would restrict the outward displays of lower-tiered schools (i.e. storming the field) to the truly important games (i.e., rivalry games, games in which you knock off the #1 team, and that should be about it for a BCS conference school). I was not offended, given the Buckeyes loss, but rather a tad embarrassed for the conference. Please remember who 'we', as a collective group, are.

The regression in our offensive production is extremely troubling. T.P. clearly hasn't developed as we had all hoped, but I am getting a tad sick of hearing about being patient. It is clear that young QBs can succeed at the college level from the day they step onto campus (see Matt Barkley and TateR Forcier for recent examples), the question is, why can't we seem to do that in Columbus? Traditionally, consistent winning programs don't endure the 'peaks and valleys' we have experienced recently. Something has to give, but I'm not nearly smart enough to figure out what it is.

 

[sammyjenkis]

I'm curious if MSU and tOSU are 7-1 in the Big 10 without a head to head game, what decides who gets to go to Pasadena? I'm assuming a Rose Bowl commitee votes.

You really thought the Big Ten would let the Rose Bowl committee decide who to take?

 

[leroyjenkins]

However, I would hope that in the future our Big Ten brethren would restrict the outward displays of lower-tiered schools (i.e. storming the field) to the truly important games (i.e., rivalry games, games in which you knock off the #1 team, and that should be about it for a BCS conference school). I was not offended, given the Buckeyes loss, but rather a tad embarrassed for the conference. Please remember who 'we', as a collective group, are.

Why cant they storm the field. It was a huge win for them against the #7 team.

The regression in our offensive production is extremely troubling. T.P. clearly hasn't developed as we had all hoped, but I am getting a tad sick of hearing about being patient. It is clear that young QBs can succeed at the college level from the day they step onto campus (see Matt Barkley and [strike]TateR Forcier[/strike] for recent examples), the question is, why can't we seem to do that in Columbus? Traditionally, consistent winning programs don't endure the 'peaks and valleys' we have experienced recently. Something has to give, but I'm not nearly smart enough to figure out what it is.

What winning programs dont have peaks and valleys? I would think 117 out of 120 teams would LOVE to have our "peaks and valleys".

 

[cincibuck]

...I would hope that in the future our Big Ten brethren would restrict the outward displays of lower-tiered schools (i.e. storming the field) to the truly important games.

At 1 and 5 they beat a top 10 team -- decisively -- a team that won or shared 4 of the last 5 conference crowns, a team they hadn't beaten since Cooper was coaching. How much bigger do you want things to get?

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

a team they hadn't beaten since Cooper was coaching.

2004?

 

[BuckeyeFlorida]

As for the storming the field, Purdue (and everyone else) can do as it sees fit. I guess I just don't understand the rules for such things, but I'm sorry for criticizing Purdue... Colorado (now 2-4) upsets previously undefeated conference foe Kansas (now 5-1) and also storms the field. Clearly I am mistaken.

What winning programs dont have peaks and valleys? I would think 117 out of 120 teams would LOVE to have our "peaks and valleys".

117 teams might want our peaks and valleys in terms of whole seasons (wins, bowl games etc...), but I can't imagine that many would want our peaks and valleys in offensive production (given the talent available).

 

[BB73]

Here are the tie-breaker rules: Method to Determine Big Ten Conference Automatic Representative to Bowl Championship Series - BIG TEN OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

In the hypothetical Iowa-OSU-MSU all tie for the conference championship, Ohio State would most likely receive the Rose Bowl bid because more than likely they'd be the highest placed in the BCS standings. The conference no longer uses the "who hasn't been there the longest" rule.

But that hypothetical can't happen because Iowa and MSU play this weekend... one team obviously has to lose. If we suppose Ohio State wins out then they will receive the bid because they will either own the head-to-head against Iowa or will be ranked ahead of MSU in the BCS.

Right team, wrong reason. Assuming that tOSU beats New Mexico State, tOSU would win the tiebreaker on overall record, which comes into play in a 2-team tiebreaker before BCS standings if the teams didn't play each other.

 

[BB73]

There have several mentions of JT's game management error late in the first half, when he called a pass play from his own 16 with 44 seconds left, allowing Purdue to use their last timeout and force a punt after the following play. That allowed Purdue time to kick a FG that got the team and the crowd excited to have the halftime lead.

There was also discussion about going for a TD on 4th down instead of the FG when the score was 23-7. That's arguable both ways, but I haven't seen anybody state this: If you're going to kick a FG, get it done quickly - about 60 seconds elapsed from Pryor being tackled on third down until the ball was snapped for the FG after the delay of game penalty. That's 30 to 40 seconds of lost time, in a game where kicking the FG still left the team behind by 13 points.

That's on JT, and without the late facemask penalty, there would have been a big difference in trying to go 80 yards with no timeouts in 1:10 as opposed to trying to do it in about 1:45.

Another thing on clock management. When they were in the hurry-up on the last 2 possessions, they constantly waited to snap the ball as receivers switched sides of the field. There were at least 2 receivers on each side for almost every snap, but they were delaying many plays by 5-10 seconds while they switched sides with each other after getting the formation from the sideline.

It would seem that calling consecutive formations with the same guys on each side of the field could save several seconds between snaps after short passing plays.

 

[Ttown]

My Scarlet and Grey is still bleeding out and it's been 3 days already. Why won't the pain go away?
Argh!

 

[morbitzerker]

My Scarlet and Grey is still bleeding out and it's been 3 days already. Why won't the pain go away?
Argh!

Because it isn't Saturday yet...

 

[bkochmc]

Right team, wrong reason. Assuming that tOSU beats New Mexico State, tOSU would win the tiebreaker on overall record, which comes into play in a 2-team tiebreaker before BCS standings if the teams didn't play each other.

Yes, that is correct... I overlooked that MSU lost 2 out of conference games (assuming a win over W. Michigan), OSU lost 1 out of conference game (assuming a win over NMSU).

 

[BB73]

Jeff Amey's breakdown of the breakdown at Purdue.

Ozone

Run/Pass Breakdown​

59 Total Plays--287 yards--4.9 ypp

31 pass (53%)--17/31 for 221 yards 1 TD 2 INT
28 runs (47%) for 66 yards--1 TD--2.4 ypc
​

14 Offensive Possessions

Ave. of 4.2 plays--20.5 yards
Ave. start--OSU 32
​

First Down--25 plays (42%) for 153 yards

13 pass (52%)--8/13 for 135 yards 1 INT
12 runs (48%) for 18 yards 1 TD--1.5 ypc
Ave. gain of 6.1 yards
​

Second Down--19 plays (32%) for 68 yards

9 pass (47%)--4/9 for 24 yards
10 runs (53%) for 44 yards--4.4 ypc
Ave. of 9.9 yards to go
Ave. gain of 3.6 yards
​

Third Down--14 plays (24%) for 66 yards

8 pass (57%)--5/8 for 62 yards 1 TD 1 INT
6 runs (43%) for 4 yards--0.7 ypc
Ave. of 7.5 yards to go
Ave. gain of 4.7 yards
Conversions--5/14 (36%)
​

Fourth Down--1 play (2%) for 0 yards

1 pass (100%)--0/1 for 0 yards
Ave. of 14 yards to go
Ave. gain of 0 yards
Conversions--0/1 (0%)
​

Playaction Passing

2/6 for 63 yards 1 TD 1 INT
​

First Downs Earned--11

6 by pass
5 by run
​

Formation Breakdown​

Two back formations--1 play (2%)

1 pass (100%)--0/1 for 0 yards
​

Shotgun formations--55 plays (93%)

30 pass (55%)--17/30 for 221 yards 1 TD 2 INT
25 runs (45%) for 63 yards 1 TD--2.5 ypc
​

One back formations--3 plays (5%)

3 runs (100%) for 3 yards--1.0 ypc
​

RUN TYPE BREAKDOWN--28 attempts​

Counter/Trap-- 1 (4%) for 20 yards--20.0 ypc
Option-- 8 (29%) for 51 yards 1 TD--6.4 ypc
Power-- 1 (4%) for 0 yards--0.0 ypc
QB run/scramble-- 14 (50%) for -7 ypc--(-0.5) ypc
Stretch-- 4 (14%) for 2 yards--0.5 ypc

 

[buckeyesin07]

There have several mentions of JT's game management error late in the first half, when he called a pass play from his own 16 with 44 seconds left, allowing Purdue to use their last timeout and force a punt after the following play. That allowed Purdue time to kick a FG that got the team and the crowd excited to have the halftime lead.

There was also discussion about going for a TD on 4th down instead of the FG when the score was 23-7. That's arguable both ways, but I haven't seen anybody state this: If you're going to kick a FG, get it done quickly - about 60 seconds elapsed from Pryor being tackled on third down until the ball was snapped for the FG after the delay of game penalty. That's 30 to 40 seconds of lost time, in a game where kicking the FG still left the team behind by 13 points.

That's on JT, and without the late facemask penalty, there would have been a big difference in trying to go 80 yards with no timeouts in 1:10 as opposed to trying to do it in about 1:45.

Another thing on clock management. When they were in the hurry-up on the last 2 possessions, they constantly waited to snap the ball as receivers switched sides of the field. There were at least 2 receivers on each side for almost every snap, but they were delaying many plays by 5-10 seconds while they switched sides with each other after getting the formation from the sideline.

It would seem that calling consecutive formations with the same guys on each side of the field could save several seconds between snaps after short passing plays.

BB--good observations. On the first point above (throwing from the 16 yd line with 44 seconds left), I wondered during halftime how much of that decision was due to OSU's offensive success just prior to the half in the previous game against UW. Any thoughts?

 

[Tlangs]

BB--good observations. On the first point above (throwing from the 16 yd line with 44 seconds left), I wondered during halftime how much of that decision was due to OSU's offensive success just prior to the half in the previous game against UW. Any thoughts?

the main difference is JT was trying to run the clock out vs. wisky except pryor ripped off at 25 yard run which gave us the field position to be more aggressive. Plus there was 1:40 left if I recall correctly in the Wisky game.

In my opinion, this was one of the worst calls this year. You just don't throw the ball there. Even if the pass is completed, you are now on the 25-30 yard line with 40 seconds. Risk is not worth the reward. I can't remember the time out situation though....maybe Purdue would have called a time out after a run play...who knows.