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Game Thread #7 tOSU 18, Purdue 26 (Oct 17, Noon ET, BTN)

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Ouch, this one hurt. A lot of us were hoping that this would be the game where TP made that next step in his progression as a QB...not so much. I don't know where we go from here. On one hand, it is hard to justify not making a QB change when a QB played as poorly as TP did today. On the other hand, TP has SO MUCH potential, but he is obviously lacking confidence on the field. Benching him only contributes to that lack of confidence. I don't envy JT's position here, kinda sounds like a rock and hard place deal.....tough decision with major implications made tougher when considering the high expectations that the Buckeye Nation has.
 
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buckeyemania11;1570093; said:
hard to blame the defense when the offense is basically hanging them out to dry by turning it over or going 3 and out left and right
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It was always going to be a "big ask" for the defense after having spent so much time on the field last week against a very physical team. The seeds to the loss today were sown last week.
 
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Buckeye89Fan;1570092; said:
Hey... Here's to hoping Florida lays an egg against Arkansas... They are looking every bit as impressive as Ohio State did today. -3 on TO's and just not clicking on offense. Every team has it's off days.
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Yay, Florida is also losing. That makes everything OK :roll2:



Well, let me throw my two cents as well so this post won't be totally worthless. I expected a mediocre year from the Buckeyes. This is obviously a rebuilding year. On another board, I mentioned that I expected a 8-4, 9-3 year.

However, the lack of progress from week to week is very disconcerting. Also, the offense, there is no reason any BCS team should have an offense this terrible. Youth, etc. do not explain it. I do not blame the players, they must be our best options since they play. Obviously it boils down to coaching.

Coach Tressel is not a dumb man. I am confident there will be some serious changes this offseason.
 
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The seeds to the loss today were sown last week.
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They wouldnt have been sown had the offense made an effort to fix whatever was broken last week and allowed our defense some rest. Maybe its just me, but thats the coaches responsibility. Also, i think back to Todd Boeckman, after a full year of starting is it a coincidence he didnt show much progression?

Decide whether it's a Pryor issue or a play call issue, or an O-line issue...I don't care, FIX IT!
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I agree, two weeks in a row of really down offense (other than a great drive or two) we all need to pray it wont be 3. Minnosota is no joke of a team.
 
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osugrad21;1569992; said:
Disagree. 3-possession game...too early to risk getting stuffed. Take the points there.
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Grad, I've got a lot of respect for you and your opinions on here. I've also generally got a lot of respect for our staff; they've done a sensational job of sparing us from the type of loss we experienced routinely during the Cooper era and today. That said, I can't see the argument for not having gone for it at that point.

First of all, it was ridiculous to have had the ball, 1st and goal from the 3, and not have handed it off once on the first three possessions. That said, it's 4th and 2. 13:30 or so left. We're down 16. That's a two possession game, given you've got to execute twice on the 2-point conversion. If you nail it at that point, it's a whole new ball game. If you don't get it, Purdue is still stuck against their goal line. If the rationale for kicking the field goal is that you believe in your defense, why not believe in it to shut down the Purdue offense from the 2? The way the offense had been struggling, did you really expect a better opportunity, down 16 in the 4th quarter, to get an all-important touchdown?

As I said before, we have a young team and I can understand the mistakes from that perspective (though the Worthington face mask at the end was tough to swallow). But the staff abandoned the run too early, and the decision to kick a field goal on 4th down in the 4th quarter felt like victory was being conceded to me. Bad decisions that, IMO, would be labelled as such if made by Charlie Weiss, RichRod, or the Zooker. Our staff is better than that; they just weren't today.
 
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sepia5;1570157; said:
Grad, I've got a lot of respect for you and your opinions on here. I've also generally got a lot of respect for our staff; they've done a sensational job of sparing us from the type of loss we experienced routinely during the Cooper era and today. That said, I can't see the argument for not having gone for it at that point.

First of all, it was ridiculous to have had the ball, 1st and goal from the 3, and not have handed it off once on the first three possessions. That said, it's 4th and 2. 13:30 or so left. We're down 16. That's a two possession game, given you've got to execute twice on the 2-point conversion. If you nail it at that point, it's a whole new ball game. If you don't get it, Purdue is still stuck against their goal line. If the rationale for kicking the field goal is that you believe in your defense, why not believe in it to shut down the Purdue offense from the 2? The way the offense had been struggling, did you really expect a better opportunity, down 16 in the 4th quarter, to get an all-important touchdown?

As I said before, we have a young team and I can understand the mistakes from that perspective (though the Worthington face mask at the end was tough to swallow). But the staff abandoned the run too early, and the decision to kick a field goal on 4th down in the 4th quarter felt like victory was being conceded to me. Bad decisions that, IMO, would be labelled as such if made by Charlie Weiss, RichRod, or the Zooker. Our staff is better than that; they just weren't today.
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The prior playcalling is irrelevant in my thought to kick...its 4th down, down 16, bleeding heavily..

We need something. You take the points, cut it to 13 with plenty of time left and play ball.

Dunno...multiple ways to look at it. If its my call, I kick it.
 
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sepia5;1570157; said:
Grad, I've got a lot of respect for you and your opinions on here. I've also generally got a lot of respect for our staff; they've done a sensational job of sparing us from the type of loss we experienced routinely during the Cooper era and today. That said, I can't see the argument for not having gone for it at that point.

First of all, it was ridiculous to have had the ball, 1st and goal from the 3, and not have handed it off once on the first three possessions. That said, it's 4th and 2. 13:30 or so left. We're down 16. That's a two possession game, given you've got to execute twice on the 2-point conversion. If you nail it at that point, it's a whole new ball game. If you don't get it, Purdue is still stuck against their goal line. If the rationale for kicking the field goal is that you believe in your defense, why not believe in it to shut down the Purdue offense from the 2? The way the offense had been struggling, did you really expect a better opportunity, down 16 in the 4th quarter, to get an all-important touchdown?

As I said before, we have a young team and I can understand the mistakes from that perspective (though the Worthington face mask at the end was tough to swallow). But the staff abandoned the run too early, and the decision to kick a field goal on 4th down in the 4th quarter felt like victory was being conceded to me. Bad decisions that, IMO, would be labelled as such if made by Charlie Weiss, RichRod, or the Zooker. Our staff is better than that; they just weren't today.
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Question the play calling, I agree. But we were stuffed three times, and there was ample time left in the game taking the three points and pulling within 13 was the right call. Purdue gets a nice return, drives and gets 3 points to go back up 16.

As it turns out, we score a TD + 2 pt conversion and we were in the position to drive and score to potentially tie the game up, not to mention, we are a facemask penalty away from having to drive 80 yards (pending punt).

In hindsight, the field goal becomes an even easier call for Coach to make.
 
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osugrad21;1570167; said:
The prior playcalling is irrelevant in my thought to kick...its 4th down, down 16, bleeding heavily..

We need something. You take the points, cut it to 13 with plenty of time left and play ball.

Dunno...multiple ways to look at it. If its my call, I kick it.
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There were other times in the game that I would have gone for it on 4th down, given the tiredness of the defense. Not then. I don't understand why we didn't try to run it on the earlier three downs. We should have run it down their throats. But, we didn't. So, I am of the same mind you are.

If they shut us down, the momentum really swings back their way. If we get the field goal, at least we come away with something. We get closer and grab some much needed momentum. I would kick it.
 
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Steve19;1570175; said:
There were other times in the game that I would have gone for it on 4th down, given the tiredness of the defense. Not then. I don't understand why we didn't try to run it on the earlier three downs. We should have run it down their throats. But, we didn't. So, I am of the same mind you are.

If they shut us down, the momentum really swings back their way. If we get the field goal, at least we come away with something. We get closer and grab some much needed momentum. I would kick it.
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If we get the field goal, which we did, it is still a 2-possession game. You're still counting on your offense to score one TD AND get into field goal position with 13 minutes left, when they haven't demonstrated an ability to sustain drives all day. Inherent in the argument that you kick the field goal in that spot is that you believe your defense will create 3-and-outs from that point on. My point is, if you believe in your D to that extent, you might as well go for it, because, it's as good an opportunity as your offense is ever going to get, and if the offense doesn't succeed, your reliable D can shut down the Purdue offense and create great field position.

I don't see the argument for kicking the field goal.
 
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Buckeye89Fan;1570092; said:
Hey... Here's to hoping Florida lays an egg against Arkansas... They are looking every bit as impressive as Ohio State did today. -3 on TO's and just not clicking on offense. Every team has it's off days.
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The thing is, almost every game has been an off day for our O. Time for a change, and I don't care what it is. Whether its an OC, change of some of the playbook, personnel. I don't care, but something needs to be done. And it needs to be done soon otherwise we'll score maybe 2 offensive touchdowns a game from here out and that's not gonna cut it.
 
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