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Bill Lucas
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DZ83CK;2127844; said:
Hand, foot , head. It's a body part that is out of bounds. It's just silly to think that you can put a hand down out of bounds and still be considered in bounds.
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buckeyesin07
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Bill Lucas;2127919; said:
Agree with this, but from what I saw, Craft never had both a hand on the floor out of bounds and a hand on the ball. The question for me was whether he established himself back in bounds at the time he touched the ball. The ref, however, made the call as if Craft had both a hand on the floor out of bounds and a hand on the ball at the same time, which he didn't.
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Archg2h;2127859; said:
It's a great observation because that part of his performance yesterday was just as impressive as his scoring and assertiveness earlier in the game. I could never have imagined myself saying this before that game, but Craft made them change their defense. When Gonzaga went with the zone, it was primarily to cut off the ability of Craft to penetrate - he was absolutely abusing Pangos. Craft showed tremendous maturity by not forcing the issue in that situation. Lesser players would have ignored the changing context of the game and continued to try to push their hot hand, perhaps to the detriment of the team. (See also: Trey Burke jacking up threes at the end of their only tournament game)
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DZ83CK
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Yeah 07, the announcers said he had his hand on the ball when he was touching the floor out of bounds, but it looked pretty clear to me that he didn't. The announcers clearly did not make any sense and did not explain the rule at all.
Bill, the rule that was quoted said step out of bounds. He didn't do that. I don't know how you define "step," but to me having a hand out of bounds does not fit in that category. If the rule actually is that he can't put his hand out of bounds in the manner he did and then touch the ball, while never being in contact with the ball when he was out of bounds, then it's a dumb rule & they should change it.
Bill, the rule that was quoted said step out of bounds. He didn't do that. I don't know how you define "step," but to me having a hand out of bounds does not fit in that category. If the rule actually is that he can't put his hand out of bounds in the manner he did and then touch the ball, while never being in contact with the ball when he was out of bounds, then it's a dumb rule & they should change it.
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IronBuckI
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buckeyesin07;2127946; said:
Based on the time that the officials put on the clock, I think that they ruled it as though he had not re-established himself before touching the ball. I don't remember the exact times, but his hand touched out of bounds with more than 4.0 seconds to go (4.3 or 4.4, I think). He picked up both hands and grabbed the ball with less than 4.0 seconds to go. The game clock was set to 3.8 seconds (IIRC). So I translated that to mean that he hadn't re-established himself inbounds.
CBS was really pissing me off with their replays, because they had one camera angle (from the baseline) that had clearly shown Craft was not touching the ball while his hands were on the floor, removing his hands from the floor, and then grabbing the ball. The replay that they contined to show over and over was the angle where his right arm could barely be made out, and you couldn't tell whether he was touching the ball or not.
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Absolutely. Yesterday, Aaron Craft came of age as a complete point guard. Up until that point, he was mainly seen as a great defender, solid distributor, and a guy who could chip in some points here-and-there. Against Gonzaga, he grew up as a legitimate scoring threat. Some of those drive were things of beauty...and like you said, not forcing the issue when Gonzaga switched things up to neutralize him offensively showed tremendous maturity and basketball IQ. We have ourselves an oustanding point guard.jlb1705;2127954; said:
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Bill Lucas
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DZ83CK;2127956; said:
I understand what you're saying. Let me ask you this. If two players are skirmishing for the ball and one player has a hand out of bounds while they were battling over the ball is the call out of bounds with possession going to the other team? I believe that answers the question about the call yesterday.
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