5 statements (agree/disagree) Offense Edition

[Buckeneye]

But the key phrase here is "what we have seen".
These guys have hundreds of reps in practice and we have seen only a handful in game action. We all have an opinion but very little basis for it.

While I tend to agree, I will say.... what you do on the field against an opponent goes a lot farther than what you do in practice. Perhaps its just nerves? - either way I havent made a decision yet... but on the field so far, Henton > Rob

JT will get this sorted out though... have faith

 

[martinss01]

1. Todd is turning himself into a very solid starting QB

i don't think you can answer this with a yes or no honestly. todd is progressing. but to be perfectly honest he is far behind where i would expect him to be at this point. he is making the right decisions, but his accuracy is nowhere near where it should be. he has thrown 1 accurate long ball to date. most of them are wildly underthrown. aka should be easily picked underthrown. he had 2 should have been picks against washington and a should have been fumble. we shouldn't let washington's inability to catch a football and poor officiating skew how we grade ones performace. he's progressing, but he has a long way to go to being dubbed a "very solid starting qb".

2. Henton should be the backup

from what i have seen so far from show and henton is that both have great arms. however, both throw ill advised balls into coverage, don't go through their progressions and if #1 ain't there they run. neither guy is ready to start. at this point i really haven't seen anything to indicate one has pulled ahead of the other. if you want to give the nod to henton because of where he is considering he is an underclassmen to show? im cool with that theory.

3. Saine should be the starter

im not certain you could even call him the #2 guy yet. i would agree he is ahead of wells light as far as running in concerned. but of far more importance is pass blocking. beanie struggled with that last year and i haven't seen anything from saine to prove he's there yet. though in all fairness i haven't seen anything to prove he isn't.

until i see more:

1. beanie
2. wells light
3. saine

which should put saine on the field ALOT.

4. Our WR's can't stretch the field

thats rather laughable. sure robo isn't as fast as ginn jr. but then, how many people are? both the brian twins and ray have more than enough speed to stretch defenses.

5. Our Oline is not very good

disagree. we returned 2 tb's with a ton of ingame experience and a qb with very little. ill give you a couple of guesses as to what we were doing a lot of in practice. my guess is our current performance is a combination of not enough reps in run blocking and d's looking to stop the run first.

 

[LitlBuck]

I wouldn't disagree with anything you said here...

Boeckman is progressing, but still has some work to do to get better...

Henton should be the backup and NOT the starter - Todd's experience and maturity overrides anything Henton can bring to the table NOW (but that may change if Henton makes the leaps and bounds improvement from 07 to 08).

I agree on #3 as well..but God forbid, if Beanie gets hurt...does Saine or Mo Wells start?

The one thing I will say is that while our offense was vanilla against YSU and Akron, our OL should have been more dominant in both games. They looked uninspired in those contests, especially the Akron game.

I agree with everything you have stated including agreeing with CBF40 except for two small items.

I think TB has to get much better with regard to his progressions. While not having access to the game tape, I thought there were some receivers open this past Saturday that he overlooked.

With regard to the O-line and the Akron game, I think it was more of the way that Akron plays defense rather than being "uninspired". Perhaps the defense led to some of that. The YSU game was the first game of the season so they get a write off for that one from me.

 

[Zurp]

1. Todd is turning himself into a very solid starting QB

Agree. I haven't seen him make many wrong decisions. The only one that comes to mind is one of the interceptions that he threw against Akron. Coach Tressel said something about how Boeckman might not have seen the safety over there (It was in the post-game interviews, so he hadn't had the opportunity to talk with him about it, yet).

I also heard (I think it was from a caller on Rivals Radio, so I can't back this information up) that until halftime against Washington, the coaches had Boeckman on a bit of a leash. For one thing, they didn't let him call many audibles. Letting him have more control of the offense in the second half appears to have helped out a lot.

2. Henton should be the backup

Disagree. I'm still not giving up on Schoenhoft. The coaches see enough in him to keep him at #2, so I have to believe that they're right. However, if it were my decision, and the game's on the line, and Boeckman can't play, I go with Schoenhoft. But I think he's not going to have much room for error. I'll give Henton his playing time, as well, and on-the-field performance is going to go a long ways toward my decision.

3. Saine should be the starter

Absolutely disagree. I like Saine coming in from the bench, and getting a lot of playing time. But to bench Beanie is just crazy-talk.

4. Our WR's can't stretch the field

Disagree. The wide receivers CAN. Whether they are is another question. I think it's another case of conservative play-calling, and Boeckman's not calling many audibles, yet.

5. Our Oline is not very good

Disagree. I think a week ago I would have agreed. Too many 0-yard runs. But that was against a lot of defenses that were looking for the run. With the offense opening up with the Big Ten season coming up, I think the opposition will get burned too much if they play for Ohio State's conservative game. Rushing 6 guys isn't going to work, and running lanes would have been wide enough that I could average 5 yards a carry.

 

[fourteenandoh]

Unless TB gets hurt the Henton thing is a moot point. However, who cares what he does in practice? Its how you perform during the games that matters.

 

[Yertle]

1. Todd is turning himself into a very solid starting QB
2. Henton should be the backup
3. Saine should be the starter
4. Our WR's can't stretch the field
5. Our Oline is not very good

1. Tough one. I'm not going to annoint TB a "very solid" QB based on a "very solid" second half on the road. It's a great start to gaining that title, but lots of QB's can be good... not many can be consistently good. For example, after the second half of the 1999 UCLA game, we could have been screaming for Bellisari to win the Heisman. For another example, there was talk a month ago about Beanie winning the Heisman, and now you include #3 in the list of potential Buckeye questions. I still feel that labeling TB as a "very solid" QB is too much of a snap judgment.
2. Yep. Based on what I've seen, I'd have to say "yep." However, I'd also have to say that the coaches have seen the two QB's in action more than I have. Then consider that they are a bit more of a QB expert than I am. Based on these two facts, I'm going to defer to the coaching staff.
3. Saine start instead of Beanie???? :pirate1: Wow. That's a good one. I won't get into the "Saine's a great one" stuff, because we all know that's true, but come on!!!! Beanie's the #1 man. Period. To whoever started that debate, all I've got to say is thanks for the laugh.
4. Just like someone else pointed out earlier, our WR's might be a step slower this year, but speed's not all that's required to stretch the field. Michael Irvin made a living on the deep ball due to his control, coordination, strength, and size. Our WR's have that, and we'll be just fine with the deep passing patterns.
5. Tough one. I think they have the talent, but I also think they are over-rated right now. It always seems to take Bollman's o-lines a half a season to get to the domination level. They'll get there this year. No worries, but right now they still have some work to do.

 

[scooter1369]

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You're mom told you, huh? Sorry you had to find out this way.

 

[sandgk]

1. Todd is turning himself into a very solid starting QB

- Agree - Somewhat. I don't think he is quite there yet yet - but all his starts have shown some signs of moving in the right direction. 2nd half performance against UW was very impressive.

2. Henton should be the backup

- Don't know either way at this point. Hoping Boeckmann stays healthy all season and this is a moot point (speculation about Henton and TSUN included).

3. Saine should be the starter

- Disagree - I have seen this posted and stated in quite a few places and I really think this is crazy as well...Yes Saine is going to be a very good back here, and yes he is a homerun threat, but Beanie is the pounder, he wears guys down, he can take mroe of the beating, and that allows Saine and Mo Wells to come in and take advantage of the tired defenders...Also Beanie since the second half of Akron has been a different back after he shook the rust off from not practicing that much in the fall.
I needn't change a word of what you said - echoes my thoughts exactly and gives credit to Brandon for an outstanding Freshman performance.

4. Our WR's can't stretch the field

- Disagree - and Agree - we don't have the deep field stretch that Holmes and then Ginn provided, I think that is where the negative comparison comes from. Disagree because we have good receivers, they are simply going to have to pick their spots.

5. Our Oline is not very good

Neither Agree nor Disagree - I think the O-line took a major step forward on the road against UW. They still seem to be in a process of gelling together.

 

[scooter1369]

1. Todd is turning himself into a very solid starting QB

- Agree - bolded for emphasis. He'll get there. He makes some bad throws on occassion, but what QB doesn't? We spent two years making this team Troy's. Troy is a different style QB. Boeckman can, and will, will this team his own.

2. Henton should be the backup

- Agree - So far, this appears to be the case. Henton has been sharp, Rob has not. Henton and RS both provide a running threat, but it truly seems as if Henton is more polished.

3. Saine should be the starter

- Disagree - To suggest that Beanie not be the starter is folly. Saine is a great threat and can be used differently right now. His time is coming, but right now, Beanie is the man.


4. Our WR's can't stretch the field

- Disagree - With Small back, this just isn't the case. Robo is our biggest and best pure reciver, but as mentioned, he isn't the fastest. Small can really stretch the field. I'm really surprised that Dukes isn't playing more. Sanzenbacher has good wheels and runs really good routes. Hartline is deceptively fast and has great hands. We have too many weapons to say this receiving corps can't stretch the field.

5. Our Oline is not very good

- Disagree - Rehring, Boone and Barton are solid. I am a bit concerned about Cordle's play right now, and this is only based on observation, not numbers. Granted numbers are what make and break a Center. This line will continue to gel and will be outstanding by mid-season.

 

[PogueMahone]

1. Todd is turning himself into a very solid starting QB
2. Henton should be the backup
3. Saine should be the starter
4. Our WR's can't stretch the field
5. Our Oline is not very good

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1. Agreed, but with reservations. He underthrows his receivers quite a bit, and sometimes makes dumb reads. Nothing out of the ordinary for a new starter, but we can't afford dumb mistakes against Penn State, Wisconsin, and yes, Michigan. He'll have a lot more under his belt by then, and I think he'll be fine. He won't set the world on fire, but he'll be one of the top 3 QBs in the conference.

2. Agreed, because I think he looks more polished than Schoenhoft. Sure, Schoenhoft looked good in the spring game, but right now he seems to be looking for the run before the pass. Henton seemed calm, cool and collected every time he's had a regular season snap. Granted, the competition wasn't great, but that's saying a lot for a RS-Freshman in a big-time atmosphere like Ohio Stadium.

3. Disagree. Wells is the starter, and anyone who says or thinks differently has completely forgotten about his absolutely ridiculous upside. People who were comparing him to Jim Brown weren't exactly whistling Dixie.

4. Again, disagree. Robiskie has shown that he's got more quicks than he's given credit for, and Hartline and Sanzenbacher can be burners. Ray Small is no slouch either. We don't seem to recruit plodders anymore at Ohio State when it comes to receivers.

5. Our O-line is ridiculously good, but it has been underperforming, no doubt. Boone is a future first rounder, and Barton might be too. Even Rehring might be a 10-year starter on an NFL O-line. Cordle's young but he's making the right reads and Person is actually outperforming everyone but Jimmy. They're very, very good, but they haven't been world-breaking like we thought they would be. I'll give them that they were facing gimmicky defenses in Akron and Y-St., but they really could have pushed those guys around like they were expected to if they were playing to their potential. In my mind, the talent level is there but the commitment might not be just yet in Boone and Rehring. They probably just had a hard time "Getting up" for the lackluster opponents the first two weeks. They were mauling Washington's "great" D-line, if anyone hadn't noticed.

 

[Taosman]

TB's arm is plenty strong enough, the problem is he's not making the decision to throw fast enough! He will steadily improve in that area.
The game needs to slow down for him.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

1. So after review it seems many agree with Todd being a solid starter...I can see the side of people wanting to see more, but his ability to throw the deep ball his arm stregth to hit the tight passes...The one area where he does need some shaping up his some of his underthrown balls, his locking on a receiver a little too much, his missing reads with WR's, and just overall he needs more experience, but the tools are there, and he has a great line, and a great set of tailbacks, to go along with a coach that will do everything that he can do to put him into situations where he can succeed.

2. Seems like many are saying leave this one up to the coaches, and I am not saying that I disagree with you guys in anyway. They always know best and you always trust the coaches...All I was trying to say is what many said in regard to watching Zwick and Smith thru their early years where it just seemed that when they were on the field and times we see them, that it looks like Henton seems to have the feel on the feel of being the QB here moreso than Robbie...Can this change? Of course, just my observation...

3. Once again it seems like we all disagree with Saine being the starter and are happy with Beanie as the starter. Like I mentioned in my first post Beanie wears them down, then Saine and Wells hit them with the speed. Also I can agree with anyone saying they would like to see Saine get a couple more touches, and put him in situations other than just taking a handoff...Same goes for Mo Wells. Get them the ball out in the flats, or send Saine deep over the top after you split him out of the backfield.

4. We all seem to be on the same page here as well...We all agree that they don't have the speed of Teddy to just run by the defender, but they have the route running and enough speed to be able to get behind the defenders...Also Small will help here as well...

5. Once again many disagree with the oline not being very good. Many will say that the first 2 games were not our best efforts, but the line will continue to improve, and they have some very good lineman that once they start gelling, the mistakes will become few and far between. We saw major holes last week against Washington.

I was going to do a defensive edition, but I don't think there are many questions where we might disagree on, b/c I all believe that we feel our defense is very good...