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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
shetuck;1841169; said:
How convenient. If the player's peers vote to play, then the adults don't have to make an unpopular ethical decision.
Just as I would not have Cam Newton play for a sullied NC, I wouldn't have the five Buckeyes given a reprieve. They broke the rules and now the NCAA, Gene Smith and Jim Tressel are dancing around the ethical issues involved.
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shetuck
What do you need water for, Sunshine?
cincibuck;1841172; said:
It's not the "player's peers". It's the team's player-leaders. The team's captains. The coach has to give them (the captains) the ability to lead so he can also give them the onus to step it up when they're asses are dragging. It's within his jurisdiction to do so.
If my team leaders are sticking their necks out, then maybe I want to empower them by having them fight for what they believe. It's not a question of popular acclaim. If it was, then the University would not have reported anything.
cincibuck;1841172; said:
What ethical issues? That a handful of players violated team rules a few years ago? If so, then that's an issue between the coach, the team and the players... not the NCAA, the University or the AD.
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craigblitz
Juice, Full of Juice!!
You see no ethical questions in players not stepping up when they knew they broke a rule?? In my view of ethics I would say that belongs there.
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cincibuck;1841172; said:
Did you miss earlier posts showing that OSU did indeed initially suspend them for the bowl game before the NCAA said, "You don't have to because we're suspending them for the first five games of next season"?
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craigblitz
Juice, Full of Juice!!
I would guess he saw that but still thinks they can take a more firm stance. NCAA have proven to be clowns in most matters... I don't want them to follow their lead.
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cincibuck;1841172; said:
Like it or not, in the world of intercollegiate athletics, the NCAA is the ethical code. The NCAA declared that it is "right" for the players to be eligible for and to play in the Sugar Bowl. Ohio State is following the NCAA's ruling on what is "right", and thus Ohio State is also doing the "right" thing. Where are the ethical issues?craigblitz;1841209; said:
The NCAA has made its decision, and Ohio State is following it. There is nothing "wrong" with that.
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shetuck
What do you need water for, Sunshine?
craigblitz;1841209; said:
Cinci has to clarify what he meant, but my understanding of his comment on the ethics of the situation was based on the "adults" not being willing to step up and make a difficult decision - i.e. the coaches and the University not suspending the players for the bowl game. My understanding may be wrong.
I don't think anybody is arguing that it was appropriate/ethical for the players to barter hardware (under whatever circumstance).
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EidoloN
Faces don't get pregnant.
I still don't see what they did wrong. The items were their items, not borrowed or owned by anyone else. It is up to them on what they want to do with them. It is no different then receiving a giftcard from a someone as a gift and using it to by an item for someone else. This isn't "receiving an improper benefit" at all. It is selling items that belonged to them. Who cares what they do with them. And a 5 game suspension for it? That's rediculous. I don't believe this is right.
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craigblitz
Juice, Full of Juice!!
I think I misread what you were clarifying as ethical as well.... End of the day the whole damn thing stinks and regardless of the outcome and decision of the bowl game it will be tarnished outside of the locker room and most of the fans.
Obvioulsy having these players will give the team a better opportunity to win and for the Sr's I hope that comes to be the case.
Obvioulsy having these players will give the team a better opportunity to win and for the Sr's I hope that comes to be the case.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
This is hilarious: Copied from the M-Zone
MZone Exclusive: Brutus latest Buckeye busted in Tatgate
Columbus, OH - The Tatgate scandal in Columbus continues to grow.
Last week, five Ohio State football players - including star QB Terrelle Pryor - were suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for receiving improper benefits, including tattoos for autographs. Now, another Buckeye has admitted to improperly benefiting from his association to Ohio State football: Brutus Buckeye.
The MZone has learned that the long-time Ohio State mascot received free tattoos at the same parlor as the other busted Buckeyes in exchange for his autograph, the small white Tosu towel he covers his crotch with, and one so-called Akron Steamer. As you can see in our exclusive photos below, Brutus got "sleaved" on both arms and had a "tramp stamp" tattooed on his lower back.
Brutus also sold his trophy for being named one of the eight finalists in the Capitol One Mascot of the Year contest and a urine-colored trinket the once-beloved Buckeye mascot gets each season if he doesn't get his ass kicked by another mascot. He sold the trophy for $63.89 cents and his 2009 urine-colored-jewelry thingee for $11.95 on eBay.
While many Buckeye fans said Brutus should immediately be banned from the OSU sidelines and not be allowed on the field for the team's upcoming Sugar Bowl appearance, Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith was quick to leap to the mascot's defense, saying the punishment should be mitigated because of how Brutus used the money he received.
?The time this occurred with Brutus was a very tough time in our society. It?s one of the toughest economic environments in our history,? Smith said. ?The decisions that he made he made to help his family, feed the poor, and cure childhood illness in Somali.?
Smith also started to say some other ridiculous [censored] but was cut off by school officials before he could further make an ass out of himself.
Et tu, Brutus?
What else would Brutus's tramp stamp say?
http://michiganzone.blogspot.com/
Keep in mind how lucky the Michigan teams (basketball and football) are; this could never happen to them. Where would they ever get a championship ring to sell?
MZone Exclusive: Brutus latest Buckeye busted in Tatgate
Columbus, OH - The Tatgate scandal in Columbus continues to grow.
Last week, five Ohio State football players - including star QB Terrelle Pryor - were suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for receiving improper benefits, including tattoos for autographs. Now, another Buckeye has admitted to improperly benefiting from his association to Ohio State football: Brutus Buckeye.
The MZone has learned that the long-time Ohio State mascot received free tattoos at the same parlor as the other busted Buckeyes in exchange for his autograph, the small white Tosu towel he covers his crotch with, and one so-called Akron Steamer. As you can see in our exclusive photos below, Brutus got "sleaved" on both arms and had a "tramp stamp" tattooed on his lower back.
Brutus also sold his trophy for being named one of the eight finalists in the Capitol One Mascot of the Year contest and a urine-colored trinket the once-beloved Buckeye mascot gets each season if he doesn't get his ass kicked by another mascot. He sold the trophy for $63.89 cents and his 2009 urine-colored-jewelry thingee for $11.95 on eBay.
While many Buckeye fans said Brutus should immediately be banned from the OSU sidelines and not be allowed on the field for the team's upcoming Sugar Bowl appearance, Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith was quick to leap to the mascot's defense, saying the punishment should be mitigated because of how Brutus used the money he received.
?The time this occurred with Brutus was a very tough time in our society. It?s one of the toughest economic environments in our history,? Smith said. ?The decisions that he made he made to help his family, feed the poor, and cure childhood illness in Somali.?
Smith also started to say some other ridiculous [censored] but was cut off by school officials before he could further make an ass out of himself.
Et tu, Brutus?
What else would Brutus's tramp stamp say?
http://michiganzone.blogspot.com/
Keep in mind how lucky the Michigan teams (basketball and football) are; this could never happen to them. Where would they ever get a championship ring to sell?
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shetuck
What do you need water for, Sunshine?
EidoloN;1841217; said:
At a minimum, they violated team rules.
EidoloN;1841217; said:
It is up to them what they want to do with them as long as they don't sell/trade them for something of monetary value. No different than if they sell autographs. Would you say it's okay for them to sell their autographs?
How about if they sell their time during the summer in a football camp as a coach? What if they go on a TV commercial (maybe even not using their name) to promote Nike sneakers? Isn't their face / body / feet their own?
EidoloN;1841217; said:
I didn't think amateur athletes were allowed to accept gifts of any sort... cards or otherwise. The items belonged to them only because they were a member of the team. It's not like they were selling their hemoglobin.
EidoloN;1841217; said:
The University, the NCAA, the Coach and the Team.
EidoloN;1841217; said:
Exactly what is not "right" about it?
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buckeyeinfla
Bittersweet Symphony
I think Michigan fans need to worry about their own program at this point
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BuckNut65
The Hopfather
There seems to be this inability to step back and take a look at the big picture here. This wasn't a DUI, or 5 guys caught with drugs or stealing laptops, but a situation where these kids thought they were selling items that belonged to them. There was no violation of team rules or 0.00 GPA. The furor from many seems to come from the fact that they sold their gold pants and championship rings. If it was anything other than that I think many would look at this differently. In my mind the only thing they did was not come forward when they knew for sure that it was a violation. How many kids would do that?
Do they deserve to be suspended? Absolutely. Rules were broken and there are always consequences to that. These kids didn't take $100 handshakes or money from an agent, they sold some stuff that they thought was theirs...just look at it from that perspective versus the emotionally charged version involving gold pants and rings.
Do they deserve to be suspended? Absolutely. Rules were broken and there are always consequences to that. These kids didn't take $100 handshakes or money from an agent, they sold some stuff that they thought was theirs...just look at it from that perspective versus the emotionally charged version involving gold pants and rings.
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