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5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

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muffler dragon;1853281; said:
Personally, I feel that those that are ready for the NFL should go. Their public apologies were enough for me.
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If any of them leave JT is going to look stupid and the national media is going to have a field day after his comments on their pledge to come back. If Boom leaves, he shouldn't have played in the sugar bowl, IMO.

I've always felt JT has control of the program and hopefully I still continue to feel that way going into next season. Go bucks!!
 
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kentuckbuck;1853429; said:
If any of them leave JT is going to look stupid and the national media is going to have a field day after his comments on their pledge to come back. If Boom leaves, he shouldn't have played in the sugar bowl, IMO.

I've always felt JT has control of the program and hopefully I still continue to feel that way going into next season. Go bucks!!
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Disagree 100%.

JT's pledge was a brilliant move in the face of heavy fire for allowing them to play.

He put it all on the individuals. You only play if you promise to return and endure your punishment.

If any player leaves, the majority of the heat falls on the player...JT comes across as at worst...naive.
 
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osugrad21;1853434; said:
Disagree 100%.

JT's pledge was a brilliant move in the face of heavy fire for allowing them to play.

He put it all on the individuals. You only play if you promise to return and endure your punishment.

If any player leaves, the majority of the heat falls on the player...JT comes across as at worst...naive.
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100% guarantee the media won't portray it that way. "he just wanted a win against the SEC". I could also see it coming out later that JT didn't even want them to play. Hopefully they all come back and this argument is moot.
 
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kentuckbuck;1853437; said:
100% guarantee the media won't portray it that way. "he just wanted a win against the SEC". I could also see it coming out later that JT didn't even want them to play. Hopefully they all come back and this argument is moot.
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Dunno. Maybe so...but as time passes that 'pledge' starts taking precedence over the game itself should someone leave imo.
 
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kentuckbuck;1853437; said:
100% guarantee the media won't portray it that way. "he just wanted a win against the SEC".
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Seriously, who gives a shit what the media says? Has the media had such a negative effect at any point in Jim Tressel's tenure that there have been ramifications that affected anything? Fuck the media.

I could also see it coming out later that JT didn't even want them to play. Hopefully they all come back and this argument is moot.
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For me, the players have put in the time, effort, and apology to do whatever they want. I can understand you wanting them to fulfill their word. I don't disagree with that; however, we're talking about careers for these young men. When they stepped to that podium and apologized, they did more than any media pundit would have done in their own transgression. When I saw that dichotomy first hand this post season, I officially decided that the mediots can EABOD over and over again.
 
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muffler dragon;1853444; said:
Seriously, who gives a [Mark May] what the media says? Has the media had such a negative effect at any point in Jim Tressel's tenure that there have been ramifications that affected anything? [censored] the media.

For me, the players have put in the time, effort, and apology to do whatever they want. I can understand you wanting them to fulfill their word. I don't disagree with that; however, we're talking about careers for these young men. When they stepped to that podium and apologized, they did more than any media pundit would have done in their own transgression. When I saw that dichotomy first hand this post season, I officially decided that the mediots can EABOD over and over again.
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I would like to think that my alma mater is a step above other universities in how they operate. They leave and I look at the entire pledge as a dog and pony show just to allow them to play in a bowl game. I agree it's in Boom's best interest to go pro. However I also believe violating the NCAA rules requires punishment and he's pretty much avoiding that punishment if he goes pro. Yeah the NCAA reinstated him, Sugar Bowl wanted them to play, etc. but this is THE OSU and would like my University to be shown in the best light as possible given the situation.

I'm probably more bitter about the situation as have many friends that are alumni of the SEC and they have loved every bit of this...from the Gene Smith press conferences to their comments after the game. January 15th can't get here fast enough....

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kentuckbuck;1853449; said:
I'm probably more bitter about the situation as have many friends that are alumni of the SEC and they have loved every bit of this...from the Gene Smith press conferences to their comments after the game. January 15th can't get here fast enough....
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Try living in SEC land.
 
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osugrad21;1853434; said:
Disagree 100%.

JT's pledge was a brilliant move in the face of heavy fire for allowing them to play.

He put it all on the individuals. You only play if you promise to return and endure your punishment.

If any player leaves, the majority of the heat falls on the player...JT comes across as at worst...naive.
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While I agree that is one way it plays, saying that Tress is naive is not the only way to see it. I mean, whether Buckeye fans who know Tress' character choose to see it any particular way does not mean that it will play the same in other parts of the country. Had Urban not suspended 5 guys that might go pro for a BCS game with the rationale "that they promised me they would stay" - that thread would be lit up with eye rolls and laughter after quoting him.

So I disagree that the only way he can come off is as naive. I agree that he had a very, very strong belief that they all would come back or he may well have acted differently.
 
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Gatorubet;1853463; said:
So I disagree that the only way he can come off is as naive. I agree that he had a very, very strong belief that they all would come back or he may well have acted differently.
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Absolutely possible...but he also put the focus on the individuals with this pledge. Not sure how many rational fans would have agreed with a 6-game suspension for what these guys did.

Definitely multiple views on this one...
 
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osugrad21;1853465; said:
Absolutely possible...but he also put the focus on the individuals with this pledge. Not sure how many rational fans would have agreed with a 6-game suspension for what these guys did.

Definitely multiple views on this one...
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Yeah, I see the issue as being all about playing in the Sugar, and not the amount of games.

6, 5, and even 4, all seem harsh for what it was...even if it tracks AJ's deal somewhat.
 
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