5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

[utgrad73]

As long as they don't try to re-sell it.



[/bb73]

Good one, they should be able to hold onto that "mettle" since it's built into their DNA. I agree that it took balls (better not trying selling those either) to speak and prostrate themselves!

 

[y0yoyoin]

sorry if already posted

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...e-can-thank-sugar-bowl-for-suspension-delays/

Buckeye Five can thank Sugar Bowl?s lobbying for suspension delays

Posted by John Taylor on December 29, 2010, 12:17 PM EST

In the days since a quintet of Ohio State Buckeyes were suspended for the first five games of 2011 but not this year?s bowl game, the widely-held belief was that forces greater than the NCAA led to this head-scratching decision.
It?s been assumed Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany was one of those forces. Now, it?s been confirmed the bowl itself flexed its considerable muscle to ensure Terrelle Pryor & Company were available for the date with Arkansas.
And, perhaps most amazingly ? or disgustingly, depending on your perspective ? they?re damn proud of what they?ve accomplished and not ashamed to woof about it publicly.
Speaking to Ken Gordon of the Columbus Dispatch, Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan showed no shame in stating that it was made perfectly clear to the powers that be that it was imperative the Ohio State-Arkansas game go off with both teams at full strength.
?I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year?s game, we would greatly appreciate it,? Hoolahan said. ?That appeal did not fall on deaf ears, and I?m extremely excited about it, that the Buckeyes are coming in at full strength and with no dilution.?
Hoolahan also addressed those who felt the five should?ve started their suspensions immediately, and came out with the understatement of the year.
?I appreciate and fully understand the Midwestern values and ethics behind that. But I?m probably thinking of this from a selfish perspective.?

 

[OSUScoonie12]

Isn't OSU still looking into getting the suspensions reduced? If so, when is that decision made? If the suspensions get reduced to say 3 games, that makes a world of different IMO. Playing 9 games seems more worth it to come back instead of playing just 7. This would also give TP and the rest of the guys more reps with the first team in practices. But i have no idea when a decision is made...could be made after they have to declare for the draft.

 

[billmac91]

sorry if already posted

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...e-can-thank-sugar-bowl-for-suspension-delays/

I just don't see any benefit to this for the Buckeyes in terms of winning championships next year though. It feels like they've taken a 5 game suspension next year, to play in this years bowl game which has no bearing on next years season.

It's cutting off our nose, in spite of our face. Say the NCAA would have given the Bucks a 4 game suspension (same as AJ Green) starting with the Bowl game, our players would be out 3 games next year. Much more likely that they come back for their senior seasons, and they're all back for Big 10 play.

A much better scenario for our program and championship aspirations. As nice as it is to be in the Sugar Bowl, it doesn't get us closer to another National Championship or Big 10 title win or lose.

I'd rather preserve as much of next year as possible.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Playing 9 games seems more worth it to come back instead of playing just 7.

He'll play a minimum of eight (last seven of regular season, plus bowl game), and could play nine if we win the division and get to the CCG. And that's if the suspensions aren't reduced at all...

 

[ScriptOhio]

NCAA denies playing favorites

The NCAA defended its recent rulings in violations cases involving Ohio State and Auburn, saying it does not play favorites or make decisions based on financial considerations.
The NCAA posted a statement on its website Wednesday responding to its critics. It says "the notion that the NCAA is selective with its eligibility decisions and rules enforcement is another myth with no basis in fact.
"Money is not a motivator or factor as to why one school would get a particular decision versus another. Any insinuation that revenue from bowl games in particular would influence NCAA decisions is absurd, because schools and conferences receive that revenue, not the NCAA."

Entire article: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5966515&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

 

[cincibuck]

Whose ethics?

Maybe SLF bucks' ethics -- or maybe this guy:

Buckeye Five can thank Sugar Bowl?s lobbying for suspension delays

Posted by John Taylor on December 29, 2010, 12:17 PM EST

In the days since a quintet of Ohio State Buckeyes were suspended for the first five games of 2011 but not this year?s bowl game, the widely-held belief was that forces greater than the NCAA led to this head-scratching decision.
It's been assumed Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany was one of those forces. Now, it's been confirmed the bowl itself flexed its considerable muscle to ensure Terrelle Pryor & Company were available for the date with Arkansas.
And, perhaps most amazingly, or disgustingly, depending on your perspective, they?re damn proud of what they've accomplished and not ashamed to woof about it publicly.
Speaking to Ken Gordon of the Columbus Dispatch, Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan showed no shame in stating that it was made perfectly clear to the powers that be that it was imperative the Ohio State-Arkansas game go off with both teams at full strength.
"I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year's game, we would greatly appreciate it," Hoolahan said. "That appeal did not fall on deaf ears, and I'm extremely excited about it, that the Buckeyes are coming in at full strength and with no dilution."

Hoolahan also addressed those who felt the five should've started their suspensions immediately, and came out with the understatement of the year.
"I appreciate and fully understand the Midwestern values and ethics behind that. But I'm probably thinking of this from a selfish perspective."

My, my. I look up at my diploma, and my LM Alumni Card and I'm glad to see that when it comes down to WWWD (the third W is Woody)? The Buckeye's went in the opposite direction and took the high road along with the money, the NO C of C and the Suits from the TV network.

 

[LitlBuck]

I have noticed that since the players have "apologized" quite a few people are willing to move on and forget. I have not read this entire thread nor have I read every blog on the Internet or every article in a newspaper. However, I think I know enough about what happened and just for the record I am not willing to move on and forget. That's all I'm going to say because I am sure what I would say has already been said in this thread and it is not good.

 

[WolverineMike]

I have noticed that since the players have "apologized" quite a few people are willing to move on and forget. I have not read this entire thread nor have I read every blog on the Internet or every article in a newspaper. However, I think I know enough about what happened and just for the record I am not willing to move on and forget. That's all I'm going to say because I am sure what I would say has already been said in this thread and it is not good.

so will you boycott the outcome of the Sugar Bowl if ohio state wins?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

The players involved broke an NCAA by law. One which they should have known about. An activity which - even without knowledge of the rule - is close enough that they should have at least asked the compliance office if it was ok. I'm not excusing that.

But...

Treating these guys like public enemy #1 is ridiculous. They sold items which belonged to them. If someone would give me 1,000 dollars for my High School class ring, I'd sell it to them without hesitation and I'm quite sure you all would too. Again - not excusing the breaking of the rule. Indeed, I think the rule is grounded in an appropriate purpose (An agent could buy the ring for $100,000 for example). But, in this case, considering the values of the items at issue, a 5 game suspension is ridiculous. (And yes, I think 4 games for AJ Green is also ridiculous.) In fact, isn't it we fans who drive the "fair market value" of these items? They surely wouldn't have been able to sell them if they did not have value to a buyer. I doubt you'll see Troy players suspended for selling their Sun Belt rings..

So... don't "move on" if you don't want to. But, it sounds more and more absurd to act like these guys are "cheaters" (where's the competitive advantage?) or have brought "disgrace" to Ohio State. They didn't fix games. They didn't beat up their girl friends high on smack (of course, that wouldn't even be an NCAA violation). They didn't accept or solicit hundreds of thousands of dollars from the university or its alumni/boosters for their football skills.

Perspective. Some people seem to need some.

 

[Gatorubet]

He'll play a minimum of eight (last seven of regular season, plus bowl game), and could play nine if we win the division and get to the CCG. And that's if the suspensions aren't reduced at all...

Yeah - it will be seven regular games and a bowl, assuming TP remains healthy, and Tress determines that it is the best overall team win enhancing decision for TP to start his first game at Nebraska after a 9-10 month lay off, and replace the guy working his butt off as the 2011 first five game starting Buckeye QB.

That scenario has the potential to be a source of team dissension, depending on how much of a leader the starting QB is and how they have bonded over the season. You need to have a mature outlook/team oriented guy for sure, given the "thanks for the season, take a seat..." situation he may face. A slightly better athlete with an attitude less adapatable is not a good QB choice for y'all over the lesser athlete with the team first attitude. And while that is usually true, it has a greater need next year with the "QB in waiting" thing...

 

[HineyBuck]

Perspective. Some people seem to need some.

Sanctimony. Some people seem to have too much.

 

[stowfan]

It's not going to reflect well if Braxton Miller is already a better QB by the time TP returns, and that may very well happen.

http://www.scoutingohio.com/index.p...ofile&user=1526&srid=3945&name=Braxton.Miller


Watch the first 2 minutes of the video

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Sanctimony. Some people seem to have too much.

Responding to this post would be beneath me. :p

Seriously, though..... I love Ohio State. I graduated proudly from there in 1995 and I care deeply about Ohio State football as my time on the board bears witness....

But.. I'll be frank about this... I'm most interested in these guys scoring lots of touchdowns.

I have my limits as to my "who gives a fuck" attitude but this scenario isn't even on the radar.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

It's not going to reflect well if Braxton Miller is already a better QB by the time TP returns, and that may very well happen.

http://www.scoutingohio.com/index.p...ofile&user=1526&srid=3945&name=Braxton.Miller


Watch the first 2 minutes of the video

Like I said on Pryor's thread - if it turns out that Miller - a freshman - is better than Pryor - a senior - I'll be happier than a crab on a nut sack. But, there's a whole thread of us making fun of Michigan men for thinking their newest freshman QB would waltz right in and play like a beast from day one. Besides... I remember Pryor's HS film being pretty impressive too.