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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

Not my take on it at all but I know PD personally so I guess I'm sorta on the line too.

In my world, when I'm dotting i's and crossing t's, it's because whatever I'm writing up is going to be, essentially, the gospel by which we move forward with. It has to be inviolable and ironclad, especially if, say, we're hitting someone up for being dumb/incorrect/illegal (it's happened)/in violation of contract, etc. You don't want a lawsuit.

To me, again I haven't see the nuts and bolts, but to me, if they are going to that level of scrutiny on the outset, they have them dead to rights and are looking, looking and looking again for any loopholes.

This also tells me Mike Hart and/or Warde Manuel (or potentially the TCUN coach that got fired for "computer ethics violations" or whatever they wanted to call it) are the TCUN sources that turned state's evidence. This whole time I've thought it may only be 1 source but what if its like 2 or 3? that would be even more EPIC!
i hear you, and i know that PD isn’t trying to clickbait and he’s just sharing what he knows because he knows osu-nation is chomping at the bit for justice.

in my line of work anything at any minute or any obscure minuscule decision can end up in a lawsuit up to a decade later, so there’s a kind of “base” level of diligence, but if i tried to detail and back up every decision i make every day, i’d be dead.

on a case like this which has a 1000% chance of appeal, this seems like overkill in my imo.
 
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Hart makes the most sense. He's young and has a coaching career ahead of him. A multi-year show cause could be devastating to him, and it would be preferable from his point of view to become persona non grata at Michigan than at all of college football. Warde makes no sense to me because he's sitting pretty knowing where the bodies are buried. Ono is backing up the money wagon to him, and he has lifetime job security. The only angle that I can see there is if his burning hatred towards Harbaugh (and probably Ono too) caused him to nuke his own program. That would be fucking hilarious.
 
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right?

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tCun = Wimpy?

That checks out.
 
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Not sure if this is the place to share, but recent post on 11W from PD.

Some new reporting here.

In the previous thread, I mentioned an interesting conversation with one of my folks on this one. I checked back on a few things and asked permission to share, so here we are.

Much is made about the "lightning fast" speed with which the NCAA is operating here, and that is true. However, they're not being pushed by some drive to beat their own timeframes and wrap this up quickly... in fact, some procedural steps have taken longer than usual as they work to do everything straight-by-the-book to neuter any future appeal or lawsuit attempts.

This investigation has progressed at a breakneck speed - looking to be around 18 months between the start and a committee hearing - because they were handed what basically amount to a completed case file. That first information handed over included the master spreadsheet, evidence of the video recordings, game schedules, and private messages. It's the difference between finding a dead body and finding a dead body with the murder weapon - covered in fingerprints, next to the killer's drivers license, a timestamped UberEats receipt, and a printed out screenshot of the killer typing up his plan.

The 8-ish months of active investigation on this obviously had to start with verifying and validating the "WHAT" from the evidence as handed over, but was able to spend much more time digging into the "WHO," "HOW," and "WHY." The "what" on its own was enough to at least lead to suspending coaches and tossing victories. Unfortunately for UM the deeper things got, the worse it looked: Proof of understanding within the program of how the impermissible scheme worked. Proof of its financing. Proof of the materials being prepped and seen by multiple staffers. Proof of conversations meant to mislead players and other outsiders about their sign stealing.

When some new evidence emerged from CMU early this fall additional clarification was needed, resulting in an extension of the response deadline. At least a portion of this new information is incredibly supportive of the NCAA's case: Proof that at least one Michigan coach and an additional staffer knew of Stalions' trip to that Friday night game.

We're almost to the end of this quiet phase of things, and we have an incredible opportunity of our own a week from tomorrow.

Realistically we are likely to watch our team win the natty, read the NOA, watch UM's 21-23 seasons get zapped and their coach suspended, and witness their fanbase completely meltdown when their fortress of willful ignorance is overtaken.

Raise your glass, ladies and gentlemen. We've made it.

Re": This investigation has progressed at a breakneck speed - looking to be around 18 months between the start and a committee hearing - because they were handed what basically amount to a completed case file.

Just sayin': I definitely want to thank the "Ann Arbor Deep Throat", regardless of your motives your action to reveal the cheating at scUM is greatly appreciated. I would really like to buy you a drink!!!

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And I vaguely remember Carr and Hart having beef with Harbaugh at some point?
Hart took issue with Harbaugh telling the world that Michigan football players aren't the same as a regular old Michigan student. It was a rare instance where Harbaugh was telling the truth. And a not rare at all instance where Mike Hart was taking issue with something, allowing him to run his mouth.
 
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Hart took issue with Harbaugh telling the world that Michigan football players aren't the same as a regular old Michigan student. It was a rare instance where Harbaugh was telling the truth. And a not rare at all instance where Mike Hart was taking issue with something, allowing him to run his mouth.
By the by, Hart graduated with a degree in "General Studies." Make of that what you will.
 
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Hart took issue with Harbaugh telling the world that Michigan football players aren't the same as a regular old Michigan student. It was a rare instance where Harbaugh was telling the truth. And a not rare at all instance where Mike Hart was taking issue with something, allowing him to run his mouth.
Harbaugh even admitted that the coaches wouldn't let him major in history and told him that he never would be able to keep up with the reading load.
 
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I find this whole cheating case fascinating. Typically schools cut bait and do a mea culpa with allegations.

Has there ever been a school that fought a case out to a full hearing and appeal?

I know other issues have been litigated in full, which the NCAA does not have a great track record lately.

Can anybody recall a case where there was not a negotiated settlement?

I actually want to see it just for the sake of curiosity.
I thin UNC went to the mat on their academic fraud case, and won.
 
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