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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

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Pretending for a second that he didn't break any rules, it's still absolutely fucking pathetic how painfully obvious he's making it that the only reason they won games is because they knew signals.

Why did we win last year? Talent. More of it than anybody else. By far.

Why did Georgia win it? Insane defensive talent.

Why did Alabama win it? The best coach in the game coaching the best talent in the country.

Why did Michigan win? They knew the plays being run before they were run. So fucking pathetic.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Pretending for a second that he didn't break any rules, it's still absolutely fucking pathetic how painfully obvious he's making it that the only reason they won games is because they knew signals.

Why did we win last year? Talent. More of it than anybody else. By far.

Why did Georgia win it? Insane defensive talent.

Why did Alabama win it? The best coach in the game coaching the best talent in the country.

Why did Michigan win? They knew the plays being run before they were run. So fucking pathetic.
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At first it was Connor saying scUM was

- better in the trenches
- better to run fits
- better tackling.

- now he admits they had all the signals.

Apart from the tackling, the first two are absolutely fixed by knowing the offenses play structure in advance.

This leads me to a further point I have yet to see any Buckeye media bring up and any UM media attempt to answer; if Connor Stallions was elite at what he did, the best at his job, and that put scUM over the top - of what use was Harbaugh then?
 
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Buckeneye said:
At first it was Connor saying scUM was

- better in the trenches
- better to run fits
- better tackling.

- now he admits they had all the signals.

Apart from the tackling, the first two are absolutely fixed by know the offenses play structure in advance.

This leads me to a further point I have yet to see any Buckeye media bring up and any UM media attempt to answer; if Connor Stallions was elite at what he did, the best at his job, and that put scUM over the top - of what use was Harbaugh then?
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What helped put them over the top as well was they also lucked into a season where all the other usual contenders were having a "down year". That coupled with the obvious cheating "put them over the top"

Even if they woulda beat TCU in that semi final the year before they more than likely lose to UGA in the title game.

It took a elaborate cheating scheme and a season where the usual powers were bleh by usual standard for them to "finally win"

You'd think knowing exactly what the opponent is doing would make you historically dominant. They were not that. They were easily the weakest champ of the 4 team era
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
What helped put them over the top as well was they also lucked into a season where all the other usual contenders were having a "down year". That coupled with the obvious cheating "put them over the top"

Even if they woulda beat TCU in that semi final the year before they more than likely lose to UGA in the title game.

It took a elaborate cheating scheme and a season where the usual powers were bleh by usual standard for them to "finally win"

You'd think knowing exactly what the opponent is doing would make you historically dominant. They were not that. They were easily the weakest champ of the 4 team era
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Without the cheating, they would have been 8-5 to 10-3 every year from 2021-23, just like every Cheatin' Jim team before them. They know it. They just cannot, in their treacherous hearts, bring themselves to admit it. Every other CFB fan outside the dfbia looks down their nose at them and knows that championship* was fugazi.
 
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This is a great opportunity to revisit.
Initially, there was a ton of speculation around the idea that "if that's the minimum acceptable, how much worse could it get?" Many aspects of the framework as reported are squarely in line with the prescribed core penalties (i.e. the core penalty for aggravated FTM is a 1-3 year postseason ban). Alteration of records has always been what seemed to catch folks up, as most incorrectly believe that records are only vacated for ineligible student athletes. The COI has broad freedoms in applying punishments that exist within the sanction structure as they see appropriate.
I think - and this is an informed assumption at this point - is that the motivation for UM to have settled within the framework would have been more with timing and less with holding out for less severe sanctions. Had they accepted around the time things were first presented one year ago this week, their punishments could be wrapping up after this season.
While each COI panel is different, there has been a noticeable emphasis in decisions over the past year or so on self-reporting, cooperation, and reaching negotiated agreements. And, as we've seen, vacation of records is a very routine sanction in decisions.
It's interesting to hear Spiro tonight talk about the radical mood shift up north in the last 36 hours or so, a strong "sense of impending doom." He said that today, staffers were given initial coaching on not responding to media requests or commenting publicly once things were released.
I was texting with Intrinsic today on a few topics, and shared with him that my source said this morning that they (UM) were "operating under the assumption that an infractions decision and case summary are imminent" but that they weren't in the notification window yet.
A compliance attorney told me that this week would "be the target" given the ramp up to this season and the impact on UM's staff.
It's unavoidable. They are expecting it any moment.
Their insiders have cued up their red meat greatest hits of Ryan Day's brother, their most public booster is melting down in a seemingly-drunken rage of conspiracy theories and poor grammar, and their golden boy / pariah can't stop defending all the things he "didn't do" on Twitter. They aren't comfortable. They're squirming.
And THE world-famous Ohio State Buckeyes are the defending National Champions.
 
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Buckeneye said:
At first it was Connor saying scUM was

- better in the trenches
- better to run fits
- better tackling.

- now he admits they had all the signals.

Apart from the tackling, the first two are absolutely fixed by know the offenses play structure in advance.

This leads me to a further point I have yet to see any Buckeye media bring up and any UM media attempt to answer; if Connor Stallions was elite at what he did, the best at his job, and that put scUM over the top - of what use was Harbaugh then?
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Somebody had to eat the boogers for the cameras ….
 
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Regarding their championship; they stopped a decent Alabama drive at the goal line that would have given Bama the win. I can't remember the exact play but I believe someone stumbled, or a blocker took the wrong read and the run just sort of punked out a foot or two short of the goal. I justrecall it as being a very un-Sabanesque play. The next game against Washington would have been an easy win for Saban.
 
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NFBuck said:
Without the cheating, they would have been 8-5 to 10-3 every year from 2021-23, just like every Cheatin' Jim team before them. They know it. They just cannot, in their treacherous hearts, bring themselves to admit it. Every other CFB fan outside the dfbia looks down their nose at them and knows that championship* was fugazi.
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No I disagree. They were legit good in 2022 and 2023. Elite? No. Good? Very.

The problem I have is 2022 and 2023 were built on the back of 2021 which was not a good team but they had a very easy schedule that year and then cheated their way through the games where they typically lost (namely our game). That 2021 season is what got them confidence, gained momentum in recruiting, donors, and especially got them a few key transfers (not to mention convinced kids to come back).

Who stays for a final year if they’re just mediocre? Who transfers to a program who isn’t on the verge of the playoffs?

What their cheating did was it got them off the mat of that 2020 season. They were finished. Completely finished and yet 2021 turned it all around.

So I’ll at least admit that I don’t think they needed the signs (particularly in 2023) after a certain point but they still used the signs and now they’ll pay that price.
 
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I'm catching up on the latest 11W thread. At one point somebody referenced how they always play the victim card....and referenced that time we got voted to go to the Rose Bowl instead of them.

First of all.....that documentary is WILD. I've posted this on BP before, but as a kid when my dad would tell me about "the vote", it was in the context of "Michigan got screwed". And that's how Michigan tells the story......THEY got screwed. Something was taken from them that was rightfully theirs. Then I saw the doc. WTF? It's not like a rule was broken. It's not like a tie breaker was applied incorrectly. Two teams had the same record, and they tied when they played head to head. Somebody was going to lose that theoretical coin toss. But of course they were victimized by this whole thing. I wonder if that's what started their victim mentality. Who knows. Anyway.......

It's starting to make sense to me why, when the Tressel stuff happened, Ohio State responded the way they did. And why that's the opposite to how Michigan is responding to this. Fired a coach, shined the light on the program, healed, came out even stronger. That seems like a pretty good blueprint to how to handle getting caught cheating. Which.....let's all remind ourselves.....is what we did.

But no. They've dug in at every turn. They told their coaches to disappear when the NCAA came knocking at the door. They've told their state media to parrot the same bullshit lies. They have seemingly psychotic former board members ranting about binders and pedophiles and lies about Ryan Day's brother. They've illegally ignored FOIA requests.

There's a few people on 11W guessing the punishments will be light based on the way they've handled this whole thing. It's a sound theory. Why would you make things harder on yourself and then act like nothing bad is coming unless you know nothing bad is coming. But I'm starting to realize..... they're responding the way they are because they WANT to play the victim card. It's so much easier to cry about over reach if you intentionally force the NCAA to punish you harder. They're choosing this path, because they like crying about being wronged. It's just a tiny step below being actually good.....and infinitely easier.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
No I disagree. They were legit good in 2022 and 2023. Elite? No. Good? Very.

The problem I have is 2022 and 2023 were built on the back of 2021 which was not a good team but they had a very easy schedule that year and then cheated their way through the games where they typically lost (namely our game). That 2021 season is what got them confidence, gained momentum in recruiting, donors, and especially got them a few key transfers (not to mention convinced kids to come back).

Who stays for a final year if they’re just mediocre? Who transfers to a program who isn’t on the verge of the playoffs?

What their cheating did was it got them off the mat of that 2020 season. They were finished. Completely finished and yet 2021 turned it all around.

So I’ll at least admit that I don’t think they needed the signs (particularly in 2023) after a certain point but they still used the signs and now they’ll pay that price.
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Yea. They probably finish the regular season 8-4 or 7-5 in 2021 without the cheating and maybe Harbaugh gets sacked after that.

You're right the damage had already been done by 2023. I think they did benefit greatly from the usual players being very meh though, that's what really boosted them to the title in the end in context of that season. It's laughable that with all the cheating it took 3 tries and some luck to finally get it. If Ohio State, UGA, Bama were running the same scheme they'd be cartoonishly dominant
 
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