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2025-2026 Ohio State Men's Basketball

I've never said to fire him after this year, that wouldn't make any sense at this point. You give him a 3rd year but I think that's enough if he doesn't show clear improvement.
Yet we get the "pleasure" of the same lazy tired takes from you. Yippie.

BTW - this season HAS BEEN clear improvement. Last year they were 17-15 and weren't even competitive. This year has been an improvement in both record, competition levels and tournament chances. But I'm guessing you won't see that either because you won't define anything that isn't in your favor.

You don't really have a plan. Placing blame solely on the coach the entire time, at which point the same people who know better tell you that you're missing the forest for the trees, you back off and prevaricate. Which is it? Diebler is winning 60.3% of his games - the all-time percentage is 61.2% - so fire him, right? What's your plan?

This program is what it is right now. Without mega donors (there are none) or the school kicking in serious $$$ (not gonna happen when they are more worried about their profit margin), you're only going to get Diebler's performance at best.

It would be a LOT easier for this program to bottom out at this point. Columbus in particular and Ohio in general doesn't produce near enough talent to go by recruiting alone to win consistently in the Big Ten or nationally. Columbus isn't Chicago or Philly or New York or Indianapolis. The basketball culture just isn't there in the city and it's currently not there at the school either. It can be, it has been, but it's not. It takes time, commitment and support to rebuild it.

So what's your plan?

Cutting any coaches off from the NIL funds needed isn't going to solve anything. It wouldn't matter if it's Jake Diebler or Sean Miller or Chris Mack whoever else you think could "fix it".

It's not fixable by one coach or one person.

Screeching about the coaching in place now, with a very limited roster and square pegs in triangular holes is just self-serving in my IMO. You either can't or won't see the big picture or you purposely want it to fail (i.e. Diebler kicked your puppy) and you like to be miserable.
 
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Yet we get the "pleasure" of the same lazy tired takes from you. Yippie.

BTW - this season HAS BEEN clear improvement. Last year they were 17-15 and weren't even competitive. This year has been an improvement in both record, competition levels and tournament chances. But I'm guessing you won't see that either because you won't define anything that isn't in your favor.

You don't really have a plan. Placing blame solely on the coach the entire time, at which point the same people who know better tell you that you're missing the forest for the trees, you back off and prevaricate. Which is it? Diebler is winning 60.3% of his games - the all-time percentage is 61.2% - so fire him, right? What's your plan?

This program is what it is right now. Without mega donors (there are none) or the school kicking in serious $$$ (not gonna happen when they are more worried about their profit margin), you're only going to get Diebler's performance at best.

It would be a LOT easier for this program to bottom out at this point. Columbus in particular and Ohio in general doesn't produce near enough talent to go by recruiting alone to win consistently in the Big Ten or nationally. Columbus isn't Chicago or Philly or New York or Indianapolis. The basketball culture just isn't there in the city and it's currently not there at the school either. It can be, it has been, but it's not. It takes time, commitment and support to rebuild it.

So what's your plan?

Cutting any coaches off from the NIL funds needed isn't going to solve anything. It wouldn't matter if it's Jake Diebler or Sean Miller or Chris Mack whoever else you think could "fix it".

It's not fixable by one coach or one person.

Screeching about the coaching in place now, with a very limited roster and square pegs in triangular holes is just self-serving in my IMO. You either can't or won't see the big picture or you purposely want it to fail (i.e. Diebler kicked your puppy) and you like to be miserable.

What is YOUR plan? Just keep riding with Diebler for a decade no matter what the results are? We might as well just kept Holtmann if that is the case.
 
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I've fully acknowledged that the University has totally screwed the pooch when it comes to basketball. The whole program has been grossly mismanaged since the point where they completely flopped how/when the Matta separation occurred.

How do you get some more NIL interests involved though? Certainly not with the current on the court product. I think it's clear the University isn't going to pivot much more to the Hoops program, so they are going to have to figure out how to be more attractive to prospective 3rd party donations. MAYBE they break through next year. Thompson is an elite HS recruit, but they are going to have to evaluate who they bring in from the portal very well and get better results there than they have this year and last. When you don't have the funds to bring in sure fire top portal players you have to get very good at evaluating and pointing out who the best options are in the realistic batch of players.
 
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It's pretty obvious what they SHOULD do, invest enough NIL resources to help Diebler field a deeper, more talented team. I'm not saying they need to provide top-10 national resources, but they should absolutely be doubling the amount they're spending on the team this season, as they are clearly underfunding the product on the court & it shows. They badly need a legit big man, and have been inadequate in the post ever since Kaleb Wesson left, but haven't even seemed to come remotely close - what does that tell you?
 
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It's pretty obvious what they SHOULD do, invest enough NIL resources to help Diebler field a deeper, more talented team. I'm not saying they need to provide top-10 national resources, but they should absolutely be doubling the amount they're spending on the team this season, as they are clearly underfunding the product on the court & it shows. They badly need a legit big man, and have been inadequate in the post ever since Kaleb Wesson left, but haven't even seemed to come remotely close - what does that tell you?

The problem is I don't think the University is going to pivot enough in-house NIL. And getting 3rd party donors to boost the hoops NIL pot enough is probably going to be difficult considering the current product doesn't really inspire a lot of confidence. Which yes is directly related to the University not wanting to put much into the program, but we are just stuck in that place at the moment.
 
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This season is cooked. The girls are having a great season as is wrestling. Baseball with a promising start as well. This is the apathy for men's hoops. I just can't give a shit anymore. Life is too short.
 
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This season is cooked. The girls are having a great season as is wrestling. Baseball with a promising start as well. This is the apathy for men's hoops. I just can't give a shit anymore. Life is too short.
Well, certainly at this juncture the play-by-play meltdown some are having when the team is struggling is uncalled for, because we shouldn't have any expectations of success without Mobley. The roster wasn't great to start with, and without Mobley they clearly have an uphill battle to try and win against any opponent worth their salt. It's not 100% over, they could still have a glimmer of hope if the absence is a short one, but there's no need to hold your breath at this point.
 
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Here is a list of coaches that have won a national championship since 2000. Next to their name is the eligible year of coaching they made it into the NCAA tournament with the team that they experienced their first long-term success (or won the championship then flamed out in one case).

Golden - 2
Hurley - 3
Self - 1
Drew - 5
Bennett - 3
Wright - 4
Williams R - 2
Krzyzewski - 4
Ollie - 1
Pitino - 1
Calipari - 4
Calhoun - 4
Donovan - 3
Boeheim - 1
Williams G - 5
Izzo - 3

I'm sure the fanbases weren't real happy with years one and two of most of these guys.
 
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Gotta laugh at the above. Everybody seems to want to say 'down with the king', but no one wants to put forth a plan. Prided myself (in working days), for having staff be able to come into my office, whenever, and complain, etc. Only stipulation was that, OK, if you want to kick something to the curb, must have at least one plan to make it better. If you just say 'kill the King', gotta have some sort of plan to replace said king. Apparently many of the posters above, and to fire Diebler, and then walk away and let someone else solve the problem of who's the next king(coach). And assuming many above are right, does Diebler take his NIL allotment, pay one very good player, or split into pieces to pay several adequate players. Seems like both have been tried, and currently been found wanting. Am betting that Diebs will be given another year, what with the 5* kid coming in, and enough NIL money to rent one or two significant contributors (bigs?) for the 2027 year. I love the game, and Ohio State, so will support whatever happens, but like the above, would like to see the bball team elevate to the level of the gridiron group.
 
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Gotta laugh at the above. Everybody seems to want to say 'down with the king', but no one wants to put forth a plan. Prided myself (in working days), for having staff be able to come into my office, whenever, and complain, etc. Only stipulation was that, OK, if you want to kick something to the curb, must have at least one plan to make it better. If you just say 'kill the King', gotta have some sort of plan to replace said king. Apparently many of the posters above, and to fire Diebler, and then walk away and let someone else solve the problem of who's the next king(coach). And assuming many above are right, does Diebler take his NIL allotment, pay one very good player, or split into pieces to pay several adequate players. Seems like both have been tried, and currently been found wanting. Am betting that Diebs will be given another year, what with the 5* kid coming in, and enough NIL money to rent one or two significant contributors (bigs?) for the 2027 year. I love the game, and Ohio State, so will support whatever happens, but like the above, would like to see the bball team elevate to the level of the gridiron group.

There's no assurance of success with a new coach either. While that may be true I don't think that's a reason to keep holding onto a guy who's not getting it done in the amount of time warranted. Year 3 should absolutely be make or break for Diebler.

Thompson is a very good HS recruit but he alone does not even come close to fixing the issues the team as had the last few years. You can't expect 1 freshman to carry a whole team in this era either.

If they don't improve in the portal and do similar to this year and last next year's team probably ends up being worse with Thornton being gone. They need to be much better with evaluating the realistic options this year. To answer your question they are going to need several adequate players. If we end up with a handful of Cupps and Noel types its gonna be ugly
 
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I'm kind of done griping seriously about men's hoops. mainly because I'm a free rider and won't donate a cent of my own money to NIL for it. If I'm going to give $ to Ohio State, it's going to be for exclusively for academic or research purposes. That said, I assume that we don't invest sufficiently in women's hoops either, and, for all of McGuff's in-game limitations, at least the women, although they're not quite elite, know what they want to do, generally recruit to match the plan, execute the plan pretty well most of the time, and have quite a bit of success. The men's program is simply adrift.
 
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What is YOUR plan? Just keep riding with Diebler for a decade no matter what the results are? We might as well just kept Holtmann if that is the case.
Some or all of these are probably in play already, because actual professionals are running the show and not us dipshit fans who pretend to know what to do.

There are 8 things I would do or at least investigate doing:

1) The discovery phase. Start fresh and start from the ground level. Discover (or in some of our dumber fans mindsets) realize what this program is today. We all agree it's not "good enough". But at the same time, there has to be a realization of what this program is historically - and that's a decently successful program that is by no means a blue blood historically, but one that can be if there are certain conditions met. To build a juggernaut that you so desperately want, you have to remember your roots and build from there. Bring in an outside firm, hell form a committee of alumni and connected but unbiased basketball people - whatever. Have someone that isn't in the day to day operations review things and give options and reviews. This likely costs some $$$.

2) After the discovery phase, the facility assessment phase. What are the facilities like compared to your contemporaries - let's pick Sparty, TCUN, Illinois and Purdue. That's the group you want to join. Are the facilities even or better than those 4? If not, this is where capital improvements have to occur. That means $$$.

3) NIL. The word is out on the street that Ohio State's NIL is bad. Perception is reality. This must be fixed and fixed publicly. They get $18 million in NIL to share. Men's basketball won't EVER be on Football's level, but football is in good shape right now. Find a realignment in funds that will support both and one that will get Men's BB in a better standing. $$$

4) - related to #3 - you have to work the donors at this point in time. But not just for basketball, for football too. If you think more money can come in for football, use this situation wisely to fill in gaps for money re-allocated to basketball from football. If they only want to donate to football, cool, fine, thank you. If they are going to withhold money from basketball simply because they are struggling, they aren't really fans at that point. $$$

5) Figure out your recruiting goals and have a plan in place should option A not work out. Whether people want to admit it or not, Ohio State is not a basketball destination (yet). Simply showing up at a recruit's school and say "Hi, we're Ohio State" will get you in the door. But getting from that point to having them commit- short of kids absolutely wanting to come here - takes time, patience, resources and more time. This leads me too the next point. $$$

6) Patience. Not from the fans, but from the athletic administration. I think they pulled the trigger on Holtmann too early (they should have waited until after the season) and it caused a butterfly effect. I think they must support Diebler adequately or the cycle will repeat. Coaches want stability in basketball - and it comes from the program. The rosters are too volatile year to year. Canning coaches every 3 years is a surefire way to never get a good coach to coach for you. And while I'm here, can we dispense with the notion that Holtmann's extension wasn't earned? Dude was winning 65%+ of his games and was making the tournament. Only dumbass fans who listen to T-Bone on 97.1 for their sports takes think that was unacceptable. $$$

7) Player evaluations and addressing places of need and improvement. Granted I don't follow it as closely as some, but I can't name a single assistant coach. I had to look it up. Usually, good head coaches have good to great assistant coaches. They work more directly with the players and allow the head coach to be more of an executive. I think this has been lost since the Matta era. Further, and this ties into recruiting, Terence Dials is the recruiting coordinator. Dials is one of my favorite players ever and I absolutely wish he could have been around when the Oden/Conley team was together, but this hasn't been very good lately. I do think some of it is kids just don't want to come here for whatever the reason, but sometimes the voice needs to change too.

8) Positive energy around the program. Positivity is sorely lacking around the non-football, non-wrestling non-tennis aspects of the entire AD, especially from the fanbase. It's like a hate-love relationship and it's kinda counterproductive. With basketball in particular, the moment ANYTHING goes wrong, it's fire the coach, fuck this team, etc etc etc. Recruits see that shit. This isn't to excuse poor performance from the coaches, AD, etc. There is, however a line in which you can support the program WITHOUT being super negative and it's something this fanbase struggles with across the board. The football brand is strong enough to overcome it, but the basketball brand is not. As an AD, I would focus on building strong fan relationships and trying to encourage more positive fan reactions around the program. If it only happens when winning occurs, we're back to the chicken and the egg (and borderline bandwagon-ism)....that can't be the norm for a program that wants to be successful. This will also cost $$$.

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So there you have it. You asked, I wrote.

I think at least 5 if not 6 or 7 of these things are happening. Gus Johnson may have done Diebler a solid just by bringing it up because now Bjork has to respond if not publicly but at least behind the closed doors. Diebler defending his boss had to happen - don't be fooled by it, he wanted to keep his job unlike Jerome Tang at K-State.
 
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Some or all of these are probably in play already, because actual professionals are running the show and not us dipshit fans who pretend to know what to do.

There are 8 things I would do or at least investigate doing:

1) The discovery phase. Start fresh and start from the ground level. Discover (or in some of our dumber fans mindsets) realize what this program is today. We all agree it's not "good enough". But at the same time, there has to be a realization of what this program is historically - and that's a decently successful program that is by no means a blue blood historically, but one that can be if there are certain conditions met. To build a juggernaut that you so desperately want, you have to remember your roots and build from there. Bring in an outside firm, hell form a committee of alumni and connected but unbiased basketball people - whatever. Have someone that isn't in the day to day operations review things and give options and reviews. This likely costs some $$$.

2) After the discovery phase, the facility assessment phase. What are the facilities like compared to your contemporaries - let's pick Sparty, TCUN, Illinois and Purdue. That's the group you want to join. Are the facilities even or better than those 4? If not, this is where capital improvements have to occur. That means $$$.

3) NIL. The word is out on the street that Ohio State's NIL is bad. Perception is reality. This must be fixed and fixed publicly. They get $18 million in NIL to share. Men's basketball won't EVER be on Football's level, but football is in good shape right now. Find a realignment in funds that will support both and one that will get Men's BB in a better standing. $$$

4) - related to #3 - you have to work the donors at this point in time. But not just for basketball, for football too. If you think more money can come in for football, use this situation wisely to fill in gaps for money re-allocated to basketball from football. If they only want to donate to football, cool, fine, thank you. If they are going to withhold money from basketball simply because they are struggling, they aren't really fans at that point. $$$

5) Figure out your recruiting goals and have a plan in place should option A not work out. Whether people want to admit it or not, Ohio State is not a basketball destination (yet). Simply showing up at a recruit's school and say "Hi, we're Ohio State" will get you in the door. But getting from that point to having them commit- short of kids absolutely wanting to come here - takes time, patience, resources and more time. This leads me too the next point. $$$

6) Patience. Not from the fans, but from the athletic administration. I think they pulled the trigger on Holtmann too early (they should have waited until after the season) and it caused a butterfly effect. I think they must support Diebler adequately or the cycle will repeat. Coaches want stability in basketball - and it comes from the program. The rosters are too volatile year to year. Canning coaches every 3 years is a surefire way to never get a good coach to coach for you. And while I'm here, can we dispense with the notion that Holtmann's extension wasn't earned? Dude was winning 65%+ of his games and was making the tournament. Only dumbass fans who listen to T-Bone on 97.1 for their sports takes think that was unacceptable. $$$

7) Player evaluations and addressing places of need and improvement. Granted I don't follow it as closely as some, but I can't name a single assistant coach. I had to look it up. Usually, good head coaches have good to great assistant coaches. They work more directly with the players and allow the head coach to be more of an executive. I think this has been lost since the Matta era. Further, and this ties into recruiting, Terence Dials is the recruiting coordinator. Dials is one of my favorite players ever and I absolutely wish he could have been around when the Oden/Conley team was together, but this hasn't been very good lately. I do think some of it is kids just don't want to come here for whatever the reason, but sometimes the voice needs to change too.

8) Positive energy around the program. Positivity is sorely lacking around the non-football, non-wrestling non-tennis aspects of the entire AD, especially from the fanbase. It's like a hate-love relationship and it's kinda counterproductive. With basketball in particular, the moment ANYTHING goes wrong, it's fire the coach, fuck this team, etc etc etc. Recruits see that shit. This isn't to excuse poor performance from the coaches, AD, etc. There is, however a line in which you can support the program WITHOUT being super negative and it's something this fanbase struggles with across the board. The football brand is strong enough to overcome it, but the basketball brand is not. As an AD, I would focus on building strong fan relationships and trying to encourage more positive fan reactions around the program. If it only happens when winning occurs, we're back to the chicken and the egg (and borderline bandwagon-ism)....that can't be the norm for a program that wants to be successful. This will also cost $$$.

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So there you have it. You asked, I wrote.

I think at least 5 if not 6 or 7 of these things are happening. Gus Johnson may have done Diebler a solid just by bringing it up because now Bjork has to respond if not publicly but at least behind the closed doors. Diebler defending his boss had to happen - don't be fooled by it, he wanted to keep his job unlike Jerome Tang at K-State.

I could be very wrong but I still think Bjorks hands are being tied by higher up forces at the university here. Even if he wanted to pump more money into the program I think there's still bad feelings toward the program from the financial fallout of the Holtmann fiasco that are going to prevent that. Wether you think the Holtmann extension was warranted or not that 9 mil they had to pony up for the buyout hurt regardless.

#7 is the big thing here. Player evaluation has to be WAY better. If you aren't going to have NIL funds to compete for true upper level portal players you have to be very good at pointing out the best fits from those next tiers of players. This year and last year's portal returns have not been good enough at all and I feel like next year has the potential to be ugly if we get similar portal results.

IMO the biggest thing Diebler is going to have to see and give into is that he's almost certainly going to have to sacrifice offensive ability at the 4/5 for physicality and defensive ability. Finesse softer bigs like Tilly just aren't going to get it done down there in the B1G if you seriously want to compete.
 
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Believe everyone is hitting near or close to the bulls-eye. No way of knowing, (but), believe when we brought in the guy from Duke, and Kentucky, tOSU had to pony up some take-a-chance NIL cash. Those two were not successful, and may have caused pause in bringing in some big dollar guys (whose production was never shown on the court). In fact, both skedaddled out the next year. There's certainly no Pantoni sifting through the ashes to find that overlooked gem, and if such a gem shows up, THEY're demanding their due, with some big bucks. Once, burned, etc....
So a conundrum appears. Go for a splash transfer, pay them big bucks, and hope he melds with current crew (actually not to bad coming back - Devin, Mobley, Bynum, Chapman, and now Thompson). As noted above a PG and an aircraft carrier, and both/each command those big bucks. Does one think that Bjork etc have/wanna spend that kind of cash? Or put another way, will increased attendance/food sales/parking pay for the outflow required?
 
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