I didn't think they were going to make it with him either....sucks for the kid though, I'm beyond certain he'd rather be out on the court.
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DZ83CK
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Reporters covering this team need to be really focusing on NIL, getting more info about where the resources are being allocated and how, and exactly what happened this past offseason. That's the real story behind the story of this team and its struggles, but Jake Diebler is going to take all the flack for it. Did OSU's hesitance to use collectives hold back this team with NIL? I think that there may be some truth to OSU having one hand behind their back compared to other programs, but we don't get much info on that.
Whatever they spent, it would make no sense if there was not a major decrease in the amount allocated on this team overall. They lost four guys that they had to commit significant NIL funds to (Meechie, Bradshaw, Stewart and Parrish) and added guys who mostly would not command much NIL (Cupps, Noel ... Tilly I believe as a non-American-born player was not eligible for substantial NIL anywhere). Ojianwuna had a season-ending injury and was obviously going to have a delayed start to this season, so it's doubtful there was any kind of bidding war for him. Bynum is the only guy that they brought in that might be getting some decent NIL, but even he was not a super high profile recruit. Where is the money? Is it all going to football? Did the impending Commission cause OSU to go overboard and prevent substantial NIL from being used? Clearly if they are investing in this team, it does not appear to be managed well at all. IMO, only Bruce Thornton and Devin Royal are worthy of high NIL deals, and everyone else should be getting near the minimum or not very much above it.
We may have to wait until next year to see if OSU is actually committed to using substantial NIL in basketball.
Whatever they spent, it would make no sense if there was not a major decrease in the amount allocated on this team overall. They lost four guys that they had to commit significant NIL funds to (Meechie, Bradshaw, Stewart and Parrish) and added guys who mostly would not command much NIL (Cupps, Noel ... Tilly I believe as a non-American-born player was not eligible for substantial NIL anywhere). Ojianwuna had a season-ending injury and was obviously going to have a delayed start to this season, so it's doubtful there was any kind of bidding war for him. Bynum is the only guy that they brought in that might be getting some decent NIL, but even he was not a super high profile recruit. Where is the money? Is it all going to football? Did the impending Commission cause OSU to go overboard and prevent substantial NIL from being used? Clearly if they are investing in this team, it does not appear to be managed well at all. IMO, only Bruce Thornton and Devin Royal are worthy of high NIL deals, and everyone else should be getting near the minimum or not very much above it.
We may have to wait until next year to see if OSU is actually committed to using substantial NIL in basketball.
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OHSportsFan
Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
Pitt lost to Hofstra at home tonight. That is going to be a bad loss, if it matters later.
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It's possible for two things to be true here. The NIL Issue and Diebler just not being very good overall as a basketball coach. He's yet to show us anything to give confidence that he's not just a continuation of holtmann
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DZ83CK
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He's yet to show YOU anything. The truth is Diebler is starting to get elite recruits, they're just not here yet. He also did coach the team well during his time as interim coach - there was an immediate turnaround and it was a breath of fresh air compared with Holtmann coaching the exact same team. So to say there's nothing to show he's not a continuation of Holtmann is objectively false. While not a 5-star, Bynum looks like a recruiting hit, and Mobley was an OK recruit as well, so perhaps the high school recruits are becoming more hits and less misses. Holtmann never got a 5-star recruit to commit to OSU, not once. I do believe wholeheartedly that NIL has been hampering this program, and that - along with Meechie Johnson's flake-out & Ojianwuna not recovering quickly from injury - has helped torpedo Diebler's first couple of seasons.
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As a recruiter sure he's clearly better than Holtmann, But as an actual basketball coach? we still see a lot of the same problems that plagued the last couple years of Holtmann going on way too often.
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So how does this get any better next year?
The far and away best player on the team isn't enough to get this roster over the hump. He's also the main guy to get the attack going and he won't be here next year.
God help them if Bynum and/or Royal transfer.
Firing the coach probably isn't the answer but that won't placate an entitled (delusional?) fanbase that thinks this should be a basketball power.
The far and away best player on the team isn't enough to get this roster over the hump. He's also the main guy to get the attack going and he won't be here next year.
God help them if Bynum and/or Royal transfer.
Firing the coach probably isn't the answer but that won't placate an entitled (delusional?) fanbase that thinks this should be a basketball power.
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I don't think we should be a yearly power in basketball but Diebler IMO clearly is not the guy that's gonna bring them to a even consistently just competitive point. We might luck into stumbling into the tournament every so often but that's about it. I think THAT is not acceptable. We aren't gonna be a annual final 4 contender more than likely but not even being able to make the tourney is a joke.
This isn't the best roster but it's not completely terrible I think a competent coach who wasn't in completely over his head could at least have this team playing in the tourney.
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Have read within these posts that Diebs is not 'the guy' for us. OK, please expound. Is it the X's and O's, or the Joes? Seems like there are several Mr. Baketball(ers) on the team, and he recruited Amare, no? And now the 5* forward for next year, and yes, I know he lost the 5* guard to S. Carolina, but the recruits are buying what he's selling. So, it's the X's and O's, right? Help me understand. Probably going out on a ledge, but if tOSU performs up to where they are playing, tOSU will make the dance, on Thornton's swan song year. If that happens, believe that more (and better) recruits will step up and stay home? Wouldn't be surprised that the NIL bank will open up a bit more then, and (see prior sentence) will happen. Sounds like more of a chicken and egg thingy. Go Bucks! PS, can I assume that the playoff monies get put in a pot (like football), and split up ala football?
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DZ83CK
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The fanbase is so toxic. Fans are so spoiled by football success they think OSU succeeding in hoops is easy, and the easy answer is fire the coach when the team struggles. We've fired the coach twice in the last 10 years. Our basketball program is kind of like Auburn football, and the fans want the coach fired every year because they're not on top. But unlike Auburn football, our hoops program isn't the flagship of the athletic department & will always take a backseat and get less than top-tier funding as a result.
I think fans should have some patience, because NIL is a constantly evolving new world and coaches like Diebler who didn't have well-funded pay infrastructure built up before them have to figure it out. Of course there's trial and error involved when you're navigating an unfamiliar system. There's a reason why Jon Scheyer was born on 3rd base in coaching, and it wasn't just the job he inherited, it was the big money connections. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program, and getting top prospects is what it takes for a program to be elite.
Looking forward to next year, it seems to me they will target the transfer portal to add a top-notch PG. Since Johnson flaked out and left them right before signing day, this will be their best fall-back option. Diebler had a plan to succeed Bruce, it just fell through late, and the timing makes it unlikely to add the ideal candidate through the high school ranks. I know you want to see someone lined up there to help fill those big shoes, but you'd rather they take their time and get the best guy they can find than just add anyone they can find.
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DZ83CK
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I will say there have been times the shortages of strength, quickness and hustle has been frustrating. Seeing these guys struggle against teams like Pitt and WVU, when guys are hesitant to shoot/lack confidence offensively and the opposing team is just outworking them has been tough to watch. I think there is an element of talent upgrades that is needed, but it obviously isn't as easy as fans like to think or else it would have been done at some point in the last 10 years.
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It's a combination of Xs and Os and it doesn't seem like he's a guy who's a great motivator and gets the most out of his players. We constantly get beat on hustle plays and there's way too many sequences where the team seems to play with a lack of intensity. This has been a issue dating back to Holtmanns disaster of a final couple of seasons.
Like Ive been saying nobody is winning a national title with this roster but the roster isn't as bad as some want to make it out to be. This at least should be a tourney team. We definitely shouldn't be losing to teams like Pitt who already are bad enough but also shorthanded in the game we lost to them in.
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I don't think expecting more than mediocrity is "expecting them to be on top". If we miss the tourney again and Bjork once again comes out and says that Diebler is meeting expectations we are definitely cooked on having a competent basketball program anytime soon.
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DZ83CK
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Let's be honest about your expectations. What are they? I believe many of OSU's fans expect a Sweet 16 this season, and falling short will be considered a failure. Rome wasn't built in a day. I realize a lot of people expect immediate results, but it's not fair to expect an immediate turnaround when the program has been behind the curve for several years & still trying to catch up.
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I'm pretty sure everyone here WANTS Diebs to be the guy, and the way he's recruiting there is promise there. But, as previously mentioned, what do you do when guys look like a deer in headlights when they get the ball or two guys guard the same guy and then the wide open guy hits a 3, 4 times in the same game. Then all of a sudden they get some kind of energy burst and look like a good basketball team. There's times when we want to quit watching as hard as that is to do then times when we get our expectations high to start winning. It's the yoyo that is happening during a game or season that most of us just don't understand. It's either they are good enough to play and dont want to be All-In or they lack the skills to compete at this level and just aren't going to win. You usually get either or not both in the same game or seasons.
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